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post #21 of 215
4/18/06 at 3:45pm
free health care through taxes is a whole lifestyle change- it isnt just taxes going up and everything else is the same. the economy would improve as people actually had money to use, instead of shelling out $600 a month to cover their family's health care. i am among the poor who would be hurt by tax increase, but there is no other way i could be insured. and standards of living, wages would change. if our country would ever go for it, i would hope they would look to other countries methods for a plan. it is a good thing.

anyway.

this is my first UP/UC, third child. i am 14 weeks or so, just now seeing the light at the end of the hyperemesis tunnel.

about the cow, using chains to pull can sometimes be neccesary (usually only when the cow is in poor health, or being watched in labor so that she can't feel relaxed) but the wench/ comealong is NEVER required. you should always use your own strength or the strength of someone bigger than you. this allows you to feel what is happening- too much pressure can kill calf and paralyze mama. you pull down, not out, too- something it is hard to do with a wench, and only during a contraction. why do i know all this? i was raised on a beef cattle farm.

also, our jersey cow is due any minute! i hope we do not have to be involved at all. i just want to wake up one day to a bouncing calf and proud mama!

back to pregnancy- i flutter in and out of fear about prenatal care. i wish i could relax like my heart wants to and just UP (and i am...). but when i read about other's fear it is contagious.

sigh.

tabitha

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post #22 of 215
4/18/06 at 4:08pm
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tabitha
back to pregnancy- i flutter in and out of fear about prenatal care. i wish i could relax like my heart wants to and just UP (and i am...). but when i read about other's fear it is contagious.

sigh.

tabitha
I don't want anyone to catch my fear but I did feel I had to explain why I won't UP. I think more than likely nothing would come of it if I did UP but I guess I'm just too "chicken". I'm sorry Tabitha if my post have caused you any upset at all. I don't want to be like the women who tell pregnant women all the horrid things that happened to them during labor, I really hate that. I think I won't post about the fear aspect anymore, I do not want to affect others on here negatively.
post #23 of 215
4/18/06 at 4:25pm
Sheacoby -
I'm the opposite: I'm too chicken to birth in a hospital. It's just way, way too dangerous. It's like submitting to being raped, and having had one hospital birth (and one natural midwife-birth) under my belt I could *never* do it again.
post #24 of 215
4/18/06 at 4:37pm
Thread Starter 
Babs, I agree with you on that. I had a hospital birth with my ds and it was a very bad experience that I'm not sure I'm over yet. I'm "chicken" not to have records of prenatal care. I have no intentions at all of having anything other than a UC.
post #25 of 215
4/18/06 at 5:03pm
Yeah, I've opted to record my own prenatal care in a notebook that I could transfer to a more offical looking chart if I needed to. I understand the fears, though. I'm more afraid at this point that if I went to someone for care, then that would open up another can of worms, i.e. they'd demand to use the doppler or ultrasound and I'd not want it, so they'd find a 'reason' why it was medically necessary, and then just be itching to call CPS to get me to do things their way. I went though a bunch of crap when I was trying to get birth control without a pelvic exam, and I'm sure there are already records about my noncompliance and being resistant to medical advice. Hubby resisted medical advice (lol, he crawled (couldn't walk because of the anesthesia or something) out of the hospital right after surgery for a major face repair AMA) so if we were to be invistaged or something, I'm sure we'd have knocks against us already. I don't have a whole lot of trust for the medical community. Publically I say that I'm using a midwife for the same reason, fear of the state.

Blah.

And about the cow, yeah, I'm sure sometimes it's necessary, but it seemed like the farmer had heard somewhere that if they cow wasn't delivered in X many hours, then it had to come out by force, sorta old wive's tales of the farming/medical community. They had 4 guys working on it, then the comealong. Hubby does construciton, but his crew went hunting yesterday instead and apparently stopped in to see if they could hunt on this guy's property. That's common around here, apparently.


Cara
post #26 of 215
4/18/06 at 5:05pm
post #27 of 215
4/18/06 at 5:15pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheacoby
Babs, I agree with you on that. I had a hospital birth with my ds and it was a very bad experience that I'm not sure I'm over yet. I'm "chicken" not to have records of prenatal care. I have no intentions at all of having anything other than a UC.
Heh, I must have misread you. I thought you said you were NOT having a UC! And I was going, "What are you doing in this thread?..."
post #28 of 215
4/18/06 at 5:54pm
My husband initially trusted my judgement. He asked genral questions as he wrapped his mind around not havign the baby in a hospital with an OB- thats all hes ever known.

I talk about how birth will be frequently. I'm informing him of the range of normal, and still working through what I need from him, and what would constitute an emergency and shake my confidence.

He is finally beginnign to realize that this is it. We're not seeing a midwife. We need to think about the birth for real, and begin preparing supplies. As I mentioned in my last response in this thread, we've hit a turning point- a point where this is it- we're really doing a UP/UC as opposed to just "not getting around to seeing someone yet." DH woke me up over the weekend wondering and fussing abotu the babie's health and how we'd know what we needed to do- things I've worked through already since the pregnancy has been more real to me for longer than it has for him (I'm the one feeling baby moving, dealing with physical changes....)
post #29 of 215
4/19/06 at 2:01am
I've seen a lot of fear bounding up on this board due to the other thread about CPS. But I'd like to point out that their baby was taken not because they had a UC but because they were trusting and naive.
Educate yourself about the system and remember that your best defense against CPS is not a notebook full of fundal height measurements but rather your front door... slammed in their faces.
If you enjoy doing it then more power to you. if you're only doing it out of fear of CPS then you've already let them win (Yes it's a only a small victory but if what you really want is a completely unmanaged pregnancy but you keep a notebook out of fear they've already deprived you of the experience that you want and deserve)

Know your rights and don't let "them" infringe on them by even an inch

That's part of what this is about isn't it saying to "them" and to yourself "It's MY body, MY baby, MY life. I know what's best and am going to do it that way."

Sorry to start of with a sermon. I'll do a proper intro later, right now DD wants attention.
post #30 of 215
4/19/06 at 11:49am
Thread Starter 
I agree with you I really do.
But we don't have the means to fight CPS if they did get involved. Right now I'm more concerned with my peace of mind during this pregnancy. I am okay with seeing a midwife, especially the one I will probably being seeing (she's really hands of with prenatal care).
Yes, they got me and it does suck but I'm not going to stress on it too much. I'm still going to birth the way I feel is best/safest, which is the most important thing to me. I probably wouldn't choose prenatal care under different cirumstances but I am not totally opposed to it either.

On a lighter note I'm 12 weeks today!!!!!!!!
I thought I was feeling better and was getting sort of happy and then BAM last night I was so sick and ended up puking in the middle of night. I'm kind of depressed now and so sick of feeling like sh!t. Morning sickness go away and DON'T come back another day.

~Heather
post #31 of 215
4/19/06 at 4:11pm
It is nice to have free midwifery care, hospitals, dotors etc but its not all its cracked up to be. You don't get the same midwives throughout your care - i see two or three different ones for prenatal checks, they are very busy and only allocate 10 minutes per person, sometimes you wait for 2 hours to see someone. Then when you actually give birth its luck of the draw as to who you get and what type of midwife they are - there is a pool of about 30 in the local area for all the births. The midwives are very medical based and can not advise on anything alternative. They also lie to you and tell you its against the law to give birth without them.
Our hospitals are dirty, peoples babies die of MRSA when they are born in them. The doctors are overworked and under paid. Many people choose to pay for private operations abroad. Free dentists are in very short supply as they have all gone private and you can only get silver (mercury) fillings from the free dentists.
I try to avoid anything medial unless i'm bleeding to death, car crashes, major A&E type things, otherwise i see a homeopath, acupunturist, or work with herbs or nutrition. None of the alternative health treatment is covered on our free health care so i have to pay for it anyway.

My dh is very enthusiastic about the idea of UC, he trusts me and my wacky ways. He is reading childbirth books before he goes to bed. But i think that unless I go into labour at night he will be mainly looking after ds and i will be left for most of the birth by myself - which i am happy with.

At least our social services don't sound quite as scary as your CPS!
post #32 of 215
4/19/06 at 4:41pm
Thread Starter 
The midwife care where you live sounds like the OB care here. I think there were 6 OB's in the practice I went to with my DS, I never even met all of them. Well I guess the free medical care really isn't such a bargin where you live, it's sounds pretty bad.
post #33 of 215
4/19/06 at 4:52pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by puddleduck

My dh is very enthusiastic about the idea of UC, he trusts me and my wacky ways. He is reading childbirth books before he goes to bed. But i think that unless I go into labour at night he will be mainly looking after ds and i will be left for most of the birth by myself - which i am happy with.
Mine is also. He really likes that I take an active part in what's going on and refuse to go with the flow. He likes me to read stuff to him, and if I find something he'd really like, then he'll read the whole thing. We read Rape of the 21st Century on gentlebirth I think together, we totally agree which is nice Herbal medicine is something I'm still working on... He's not thrilled about it at all, says if it was ment to be ingested then it would taste better, though he thinks that Tylenol is just fine. Stinker. I'm getting Shepard's Purse, Angelica (sp?), Don Qui (sp?), and cayanne pepper to make tinctures to have on hand for the birth though, and I can bet if I'm bleeidng excessively he'll not mind whatever 'whichcraft' I go ahead and take

Cara
post #34 of 215
4/19/06 at 5:01pm
Babs, I measured HUGE until I got to about 20w and then I'm slowing down to normal-ish so you never know, maybe you're just measuring higher just because (just like I was). There is only one in here - not enough movement for two.

I'm excited to talk about UP... I'm feeling a little anxious about not having done anything to this point (I'm 21w and some) after all the CPS junk here where I live... but I can't afford those pee sticks yet and I know my bp is normal, my weight is normal (a little on the low side though... it's just how I grow babies) and my fundal height is fine. I guess I should write it all down? It seems nuts really.

Is there a point in UPing that you pay closer attention? We're just growing here and taking care of ourselves... so I don't know if I should start watching things more or just wait until my brain triggers a concern (I assist a MW friend at her births and have gone through two assisted pg so I think I'll know when something feels "off")?

Anyways... we're 1/2 way to a new Bean in our family - yay!
~Julie
post #35 of 215
4/19/06 at 5:06pm
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Originally Posted by littleteapot
I've gotten big REALLY fast with this one.
Really, really fast. My fundal height has already reached my navel and I'm no more than 12-14 weeks or something.

(Yes, I'm positive!! I only had one period!)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...rogression.jpg

(the months are my 'best guesses')
Ok.....me and you look very similar size wise. I am smaller then your last pic but am only 11 weeks or so.

I will try to post a pic asap.
post #36 of 215
4/19/06 at 5:09pm
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Originally Posted by AngelBee
Ok.....me and you look very similar size wise. I am smaller then your last pic but am only 11 weeks or so.

I will try to post a pic asap.
What's weird for me is that I started out tiny. I usually get big. I did with my other two, and I usually get big fast - but this is pretty big pretty fast, even for me.
My first two I started out 100lbs, and this one I started out maybe 110 and at first it was all normal big and then WHOOSH I got huge just recently.
post #37 of 215
4/19/06 at 5:11pm
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Originally Posted by littleteapot
What's weird for me is that I started out tiny. I usually get big. I did with my other two, and I usually get big fast - but this is pretty big pretty fast, even for me.
My first two I started out 100lbs, and this one I started out maybe 110 and at first it was all normal big and then WHOOSH I got huge just recently.
Yup. I started at about 115-120.

I do show early, but I look huge!

I even borrowed a medical field friend's doupler because I am debating checking to see if I can find more then one heart beat.
post #38 of 215
4/20/06 at 4:09pm
I just realized that I hadn't posted here yet. I blame pregnancy brain.

This is my second child, my first UP/UC. I so excited that I want to shout from the rooftops, but with all the CPS talk lately as well as unsupportive in-laws I'm feeling more and more like hiding in a cave until it's over. LOL

DH was "no way" at first, then began to understand and accept my plans, but now he's feeling nervous and getting antsy about having some back up. I almost want to laugh that he's going through more of a rollercoaster than I am, and I'm the one pregnant here!

32 weeks, roughly. I can't believe it's almost over.
post #39 of 215
4/20/06 at 4:42pm
Thread Starter 
Has anyone felt braxton hicks contraction as early as 12 weeks before? I think I am feeling them now but not sure. I know it's early for that but I did start feeling them with my ds when I was about 5mths along maybe even a bit earlier. I'm definitely having periodic discomfort, not really cramping.
post #40 of 215
4/20/06 at 5:08pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheacoby
Has anyone felt braxton hicks contraction as early as 12 weeks before? I think I am feeling them now but not sure. I know it's early for that but I did start feeling them with my ds when I was about 5mths along maybe even a bit earlier. I'm definitely having periodic discomfort, not really cramping.
I have been experiencing the same thing.

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