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post #21 of 90
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Originally Posted by Jade2561
I can see how the THOUGHT of doing it could be appealling - but actually doing it - no way. I think people that sedate their children on planes probably do it for other situations as well. I think it's hands down wrong.

Yep, the fact that they had the thought and ability to do that to there child on a flight tells me they probably do it whenever it is convenient for them to do it, sick sick sick people!!! Did you vote and reply about nursing your dd on your flight? I hope so, set them straight mamma,lol!!!
post #22 of 90
Donning my flameproof suit here. Ds was 12 mo when we took a long flight to see his daddy. (Yes, I consider that important enough to drag a young child along) I discussed benadryl with the pediatrician before we left. He suggested I try a dose a few days before we left, because it can make some kids hyper and sleepless. So we tried it, it worked and we brought it with us. The longest of our three flights was supposed to start at 9 pm and last for 12 hours. Well, it was delayed.....for 2 HOURS. Timmy fell asleep during the delay, but woke when we boarded the plane. So I gave him some benadryl to help him get back to sleep. My total trip was 24 hours start to finish, do you know what kind of hell that would have been for all three of us (I took my 4 yr old too) if Timmy hadn't gotten more than two hours of sleep? So yeah, I guess I drugged my kid for a flight. Our return trip was during the daytime hours, for the most part. So Timmy just took periodic naps and was fine. Anyways, proceed to flame me. Because of course, I MUST drug him on a regular basis.
post #23 of 90
So if you did not drug him for that 24 hours he would not have slept?
post #24 of 90
I'm not positive if he would have slept more or not, but honestly, at 11 at night, with a cranky, tired 4 yr old and a 12 mo old who had already been traveling for 7 hours, I wasn't willing to find out. As it was he nursed most of the next 9 hours, and woke up just in time for breakfast. And how does one dose of benadryl equal drugging him for 24 hours?
post #25 of 90
I didn't say you drugged him for 24 hours, you said your trip was for 24 hours and I was just asking about the not sleeping for all that time.

My dd was never a napper and not the best sleeper, but if I traveled long distances she would sleep.

I was just wondering why you didn't think your child would not sleep that whole time, that's all.
post #26 of 90
I have some question (honest curiosity, not facetiousness)

Those who are very against this, how much is rigid philosophy and how much is specific to the pharmacology? Would you feel differently about using valerian, melatonin, etc?

And how do you draw the line between mother's or outsider's convenience, and the child's comfort level? How can you really know who your doing it for? I'll admit that sometimes when I give someone Rescue Remedy, (or something) it is as much for my own sake (things are getting too intense) as it is for theirs. What percentage of the impulse needs to be altruistic? And how does that change if we're talking about haledol (for ex) instead.

Personally, I would love to be knocked out for long flights. But it would be my decision, I don't have to eat every few hours and can "hold it" overnight.
post #27 of 90
"rigid philosophy" isn't what I'd say. just strongly disagreeing with something. there are LOTS of situations that could be perceived as more comfortable, easier, etc if the child would just sleep through it. can you think of another situation where you'd approve of giving a child a sedative just to make them sleep, not because they were in pain? would you do it for a long car trip or train ride?
look, I don't think it's the end of the world or that someone is a bad parent for doing it. I just would never do it myself. if there was an important reason for me to take her on a long flight, and yes, there are some important reasons, I would bring decongestant in case her ears hurt, I would bring toys and books and hope for the best, but if she hated it, screamed the whole time, I'd still be more comfortable just gritting my teeth and dealing with a tantrum, which is a normal response from an unhappy baby, than giving up and putting her to sleep with medicine.
post #28 of 90
I would not sedate my children with any drug for any reason, including, I confess, for their own comfort. There are too many unknown side effects. What happens to adults who were given Benedryl regularly as children? Has anyone even bothered to research it? I would also be philosophically opposed to sedating anyone without their informed consent.

I don't use sedatives or painkillers or sleep aids for myself either. I have taken Rescue Remedy but not often, and I wouldn't give it to my children.
post #29 of 90
As with a lot of issues, I don't think there is a clear black and white right and wrong answer to this one.

Of course there will always be a certain segment of parents who take the easy way out of everything, including medicating their children with Benadry/Tylenol/Motrin whenever they feel like it and probably rather frequently.

Then, there are other parents, who thoughtfully debate whether or not to use a medicine like Benadryl in extreme cases.

Although I never have done this myself, I could imagine a time and a place that I might have considered it. I do not think that one or two isolated doses of Benadryl in a child over one year of age would be harmful at all. Can anyone give me an example of when Benadryl has been harmful or fatal to a child in the correct doses?

I think if a single dose or two of a medication would be increasing the comfort level of the child, then I do not have a problem with it. Then again, I am a nurse (married to a doctor) so I have never been part of the Benadryl/Tylenol/Motrin are poison camp.
post #30 of 90
Borrowing CalicoKat's flameproof suit here - I also did it. My daughter's ped (BFing friendly, no-vax or low-vax friendly) suggested it to try on our second long, long flight back from Europe when she was a year and a half old. Oh, it was a freaking nightmare. Instead of sleep, we had an extremely wired child. It may have been because I was nervous and only gave her a half-dose. Then again, she might have been even worse on a full dose. I knew from previous experience that she had an extremely difficult time sleeping, and she has always tended towards spinning herself up into never-sleep-land, even on the most boring of days. So I thought I'd give it a shot. Bwa ha. Mama could have used a coupla shots (of Whiskey) after that fiasco.

Never again!

But feel free to flame me too, Flamie McFlamer Flamerston. I can take it. I can also hand it back to you on a plattah. When you have a sixteen hour flight ahead of you, you'll try a lot of things that you'd never thought you'd try. Such has Mr Talking Hand (for two hours straight, never straying from preordained role as a very very very stupid talking hand. Much toddler hilarity) ; the game of Lets Run Up and Down the Aisle and Wake Up the Mean Old Dutch Women; The joy of napkins as dashing hattery; Singing 100 Bottles of Beer on the Wall to 10th power; Let's Torture Daddy (aka what is the most annoying noise in the world? game); and never forget the old standby, How Many Times Can We go to the Bathroom, playing in the sink while the Mean -now Drunk- Old Dutch Women with irritable bladders get hella angry and ask "ven are you kuming owt, you (something dutch but probably not nice)?!". That is a really fun game, that last one.

And finally, you dose yourself with the remaining Benedryl, and you don't really ... remember the rest of the flight so much ... but everyone at the police station says you had an AWESOME time.

So that's what I say. Nevermind the kids. Dose yourself. It is much easier to be the Dumbwitted Talking Hand when you have no pride left in any case.
post #31 of 90

Giving kids benadryl

This past week, dd and I have been sick with a horrible cold. Emily was having congestion problems and not sleeping, all I wanted to do was sleep, so I gave her benadryl with some cough/chest congestion medicine so that she'd sleep better and we'd get better faster. I don't know if we're better faster, but it made for a happier baby, and a much happy mama when we woke up from a good night's sleep after 4 nights of little to no sleep. Tonight she didn't get any medicine, her cough is almost gone, and her congestion is gone also. I guess though that I'm just as bad as those other women drugging their kids on planes for their convenience.
post #32 of 90
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Originally Posted by flyingspaghettimama
Borrowing CalicoKat's flameproof suit here - I also did it. My daughter's ped (BFing friendly, no-vax or low-vax friendly) suggested it to try on our second long, long flight back from Europe when she was a year and a half old. Oh, it was a freaking nightmare. Instead of sleep, we had an extremely wired child. It may have been because I was nervous and only gave her a half-dose. Then again, she might have been even worse on a full dose. I knew from previous experience that she had an extremely difficult time sleeping, and she has always tended towards spinning herself up into never-sleep-land, even on the most boring of days. So I thought I'd give it a shot. Bwa ha. Mama could have used a coupla shots (of Whiskey) after that fiasco.

Never again!

But feel free to flame me too, Flamie McFlamer Flamerston. I can take it. I can also hand it back to you on a plattah. When you have a sixteen hour flight ahead of you, you'll try a lot of things that you'd never thought you'd try. Such has Mr Talking Hand (for two hours straight, never straying from preordained role as a very very very stupid talking hand. Much toddler hilarity) ; the game of Lets Run Up and Down the Aisle and Wake Up the Mean Old Dutch Women; The joy of napkins as dashing hattery; Singing 100 Bottles of Beer on the Wall to 10th power; Let's Torture Daddy (aka what is the most annoying noise in the world? game); and never forget the old standby, How Many Times Can We go to the Bathroom, playing in the sink while the Mean -now Drunk- Old Dutch Women with irritable bladders get hella angry and ask "ven are you kuming owt, you (something dutch but probably not nice)?!". That is a really fun game, that last one.

And finally, you dose yourself with the remaining Benedryl, and you don't really ... remember the rest of the flight so much ... but everyone at the police station says you had an AWESOME time.

So that's what I say. Nevermind the kids. Dose yourself. It is much easier to be the Dumbwitted Talking Hand when you have no pride left in any case.
You crack me up!
post #33 of 90
Quote:
But feel free to flame me too, Flamie McFlamer Flamerston. I can take it. I can also hand it back to you on a plattah. When you have a sixteen hour flight ahead of you, you'll try a lot of things that you'd never thought you'd try. Such has Mr Talking Hand (for two hours straight, never straying from preordained role as a very very very stupid talking hand. Much toddler hilarity) ; the game of Lets Run Up and Down the Aisle and Wake Up the Mean Old Dutch Women; The joy of napkins as dashing hattery; Singing 100 Bottles of Beer on the Wall to 10th power; Let's Torture Daddy (aka what is the most annoying noise in the world? game); and never forget the old standby, How Many Times Can We go to the Bathroom, playing in the sink while the Mean -now Drunk- Old Dutch Women with irritable bladders get hella angry and ask "ven are you kuming owt, you (something dutch but probably not nice)?!". That is a really fun game, that last one.

And finally, you dose yourself with the remaining Benedryl, and you don't really ... remember the rest of the flight so much ... but everyone at the police station says you had an AWESOME time.
This had me laughing so hard I nearly fell off my ball (exercise ball I use for a computer chair) :

As for the philosophy/phamachology question....All of the above. I don't believe in drugging kids. I don't give tylenol for little fevers even though it'd make them feel better quicker. I don't give decogestants. I don't give allergy meds. I don't give antibiotics unless is really freaking needed. (never has been) They aren't safe. Those meds have proven, harmful side effects that are listed right on their packaging. So yes, I'm definitely against drugging a child period. When it's done to save some frazzled nerves/sanity/hearing? :
post #34 of 90
Quote:
Originally Posted by flyingspaghettimama
Borrowing CalicoKat's flameproof suit here - I also did it. My daughter's ped (BFing friendly, no-vax or low-vax friendly) suggested it to try on our second long, long flight back from Europe when she was a year and a half old. Oh, it was a freaking nightmare. Instead of sleep, we had an extremely wired child. It may have been because I was nervous and only gave her a half-dose. Then again, she might have been even worse on a full dose. I knew from previous experience that she had an extremely difficult time sleeping, and she has always tended towards spinning herself up into never-sleep-land, even on the most boring of days. So I thought I'd give it a shot. Bwa ha. Mama could have used a coupla shots (of Whiskey) after that fiasco.

Never again!

But feel free to flame me too, Flamie McFlamer Flamerston. I can take it. I can also hand it back to you on a plattah. When you have a sixteen hour flight ahead of you, you'll try a lot of things that you'd never thought you'd try. Such has Mr Talking Hand (for two hours straight, never straying from preordained role as a very very very stupid talking hand. Much toddler hilarity) ; the game of Lets Run Up and Down the Aisle and Wake Up the Mean Old Dutch Women; The joy of napkins as dashing hattery; Singing 100 Bottles of Beer on the Wall to 10th power; Let's Torture Daddy (aka what is the most annoying noise in the world? game); and never forget the old standby, How Many Times Can We go to the Bathroom, playing in the sink while the Mean -now Drunk- Old Dutch Women with irritable bladders get hella angry and ask "ven are you kuming owt, you (something dutch but probably not nice)?!". That is a really fun game, that last one.

And finally, you dose yourself with the remaining Benedryl, and you don't really ... remember the rest of the flight so much ... but everyone at the police station says you had an AWESOME time.

So that's what I say. Nevermind the kids. Dose yourself. It is much easier to be the Dumbwitted Talking Hand when you have no pride left in any case.
Your post is too funny! Thanks for the laugh.
post #35 of 90
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Originally Posted by wannabe
I think that those of you who condemn this out of hand have never been on serious long haul flying (14 hours in the air, 56 door to door, that sort of thing).

Once she's two I will carry a sedative with me on long flights, and if she becomes distressed through tiredness and can't be calmed, I will use it. It is kind and caring to understand that it is a LOT to ask of a small child to even cope with such a journey (hell, I feel like death during them and I'm 30!). Sleep is not just a matter of being popped on the boob - for us it requires that and darkness and quiet.
Based on what other people are saying, I hate to say this and get myself flamed,too, but...

Yeah - Benadryl. And for the same reason above. Dd has never been on a flight that lasted less than 9 hours. She's been to over a dozen countries and I just have to say that it REALLY, REALLY, REALLY helps her adjust to the time change if nothing else. I'm not doing it for my convenience, because when she was nursing (she self-weaned at 3), I would nurse her on demand, usually the entire flight. We don't fly US carriers, so we always had those extension belts. She still prefers to sleep on my lap on a plane, but now at 4yo I have her stay in her own belt and lean/lay on me. I don't give her benedryl it on return flights to the US, as they are "day" flights. I use a DVD player for that.

I'd never do it for a short trip within the US. Even coast-to-coast. We never use it at home. I will use Tylenol for fevers over 101 F or 38/39 C only. We use Hyland's remedies for everything we can.
post #36 of 90
I've done it, although I wish I'd known about the 'hyper' potential side-effect at the time. Dd was 18 months and I was flying alone with her, three connections, beginning at 4 am, and she had been freaking out all week as we had been between homes and were moving to a new one. I didn't use benadryl, forget which it was, but it had no noticeable effect at all, and she only slept a total of 5 minutes (while landing! ) the entire way.

I don't know if the drug made her hyper or just had no effect, because she's never been able to sleep in transit, ever, same as me. If you're travelling for 18 hours, well, chances are she and I will both be up the entire time, and increasingly grouchy....
post #37 of 90
May I gently suggest that perhaps some of you are being overly judgemental?

I personally am absolutely petrified of airplanes. In that just being near one I start to hyperventilate and cry and I'll invariably vomit if I have to fly. My doctor has proactively perscribed me a light sedative to take if I must get on a plane...for my comfort.

If my children have a similar reaction to flying (it's possible, I have felt this way since my first airplane trip at the age of five), I would not hesitate to give them a doctor approved small sedative.

Someone did mention nursing, which is great for those who nurse...but doesn't work so well for children who are weaned or who are traveling without their mothers. Furthermore, I'm sure some of you have been on flights where turbulence caused the flashing seatbelts sign to be on for the whole flight...and I know some of you are, but I am definitely not flexible enough to nurse my dd while she is in her carseat!

I just want to suggest that not everyone is giving a child Benadryl for fun...there might be a genuine reason for it.

Peace out, mommas
post #38 of 90
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Originally Posted by wannabe
I think that those of you who condemn this out of hand have never been on serious long haul flying (14 hours in the air, 56 door to door, that sort of thing).

What toddler could go two days with no sleep if they can't sleep on a plane? My DD will doze on the boob on a plane, but not very well, especially when the 'night' is so arbitrary - once they turn the lights on and start serving a meal, she's awake, even if it's technically 3am. She also has difficulty sleeping during transfers and in boarding lounges.

Once she's two I will carry a sedative with me on long flights, and if she becomes distressed through tiredness and can't be calmed, I will use it. It is kind and caring to understand that it is a LOT to ask of a small child to even cope with such a journey (hell, I feel like death during them and I'm 30!). Sleep is not just a matter of being popped on the boob - for us it requires that and darkness and quiet.
If I'd realized that a doc would have given me meds to sedate DS on our recent trip to Iran (to visit his grandparents - I hope that's an important reason) I would have been all over that. We're not big doctor people so I had no idea they'd give me one.

The whole trip going is almost 30 hours, coming back about 25... and those transatlantic flights (11 hours and up depending on where you depart from and where you land) SUCK, especially for the kids. I've been the hated woman on the plane with the kid who won't stop screaming too many times. I wouldn't to it for my convenience - I'd do it for my sanity and DS's health.

People travel because the end result is rewarding - new culture, new friends, visiting with family. I consider these more important than having a hard time om the trip. I think if you travel early and often then kids will become good travelers who enjoy traveling. I think a sedative can really help some people, and you're talking about a one time or two time deal here. Not every day.
post #39 of 90
I wouldn't simply because I tried one time for a long long car trip and gave my tiny baby too much.
post #40 of 90
now where is that flameproof suit.....?


Last March, we took our 4.5 and 9 month old daughters to BC to visit their great grandmother, someone they will likely never see in person again.

I brought my herbalist-friend-made-rescue-remedy with me-- alcohol free, minimal shelf life, made for kiddos and other hyper-sensitive mammals. And I used it. I did. I used it on my children without their consent (well, they opened their mouths willingly enough...). Turns out, it didn't do diddly squat.

The baby fell asleep on the boobie with 40 minutes left in the flight and my older dd was so bored from: drawing, watching movies, interrogating the flight crew, putting new hair-styles on daddy, eating... everything that with about an hour to go she just lost it and cried her little heart out into dh's chest till we landed. It sucked.

Would I have used benadryl if I had it and knew what I know now about how the flight went? Yeah, probably.
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