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post #1 of 59
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My neighbors are raising their 4 year old grandson, and we do not know them very well. Their grandson, J, is in my son's preschool class, and the children are very good friends. I have no other concerns about J.

But this week my MIL, who was visiting, looked out the window and saw J exposing his penis to my son. I had a conference scheduled with my son's teacher, so I mentioned it to her and asked that she make a public announcement to the children that it is not okay to expose their privates to anyone, even their friends. I did not want to bring it up to the grandparents, because I do not know them very well, and I was concerned that they would shame J or punish him for what I considered age appropriate behaviour.

She said she would have adiscussion with the class, and DH and I talked to our children about it that night. We told them that they should never expose their butts or penis to anyone, and if anyone, even J, tried to show his butt or penis to them, they should come and tell me immediately. It was then that I learned that this is not the first time that J has exposed himself to them, and that it has happened on at least 5 other occassions.

I am going to see if the teacher's discussion with the class works, but I dont know what to do if he continues to expose himself to my kids. I don't want to stop them from playing together, but I do not think I have the authority to have such a sensetive discussion with him. I also do not know his grandparents well, but have heard them scolding him harshly for what I consider to be stupid things, so I am hesitant to bring such a serious issue to their attention. At the moment the boys are not allowed to play with him unsupervised, but he was exposing himself in our front yard, and I certainly cannot stop them from ever being outside when he is, nor do I want to, as he's a sweet boy and they play together very well.

I am also concerned because they also are raising their 2 year old granddaughter, and if he's so blatently exposing himself to my boys, what is he doing with her in the privacy of their house? This behaviour, unchecked, could escalate into molestion of her as they grow older.

What would you do if you were in this sticky situation?
post #2 of 59
I'm hearing you say two things:

* This is age appropriate but undesirable behavior

* that could lead to sexual molestation???

I am the mother of a four year old who is VERY proud of his hiney and penis! If he could get a reaction out of someone by showing it to them, believe me, he would. If a neighbor boy of four was in my yard showing my boys his penis I would be pretty friendly but firm, "Hey now, that belongs to you - let's keep our pants up when we're outside of the bathroom, ok?" There is NO REASON to shame the child or to sexualize his behavior- just because it is his penis does not make it sexual! He gets a reward for showing his bits- a lot of attention!

It is not the teacher's place to get involved in what is truly a personal, parent-to-parent issue.

I guess I just disagree that it's 'sticky'... it seems very simple to me.

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and if he's so blatently exposing himself to my boys, what is he doing with her in the privacy of their house?
OH my I can't even describe how this makes me!! You are villainizing this little boy for normal behavior.. I hope that you can see that and reframe what you are seeing. He is innocent until he harms someone, and he has not harmed anyone at this point, only pressed your comfort level. Honor that but do not shame this child. Said with love and understanding for you and the little one.
post #3 of 59
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Originally Posted by dynamicdoula
I am the mother of a four year old who is VERY proud of his hiney and penis! If he could get a reaction out of someone by showing it to them, believe me, he would. If a neighbor boy of four was in my yard showing my boys his penis I would be pretty friendly but firm, "Hey now, that belongs to you - let's keep our pants up when we're outside of the bathroom, ok?" There is NO REASON to shame the child or to sexualize his behavior- just because it is his penis does not make it sexual! He gets a reward for showing his bits- a lot of attention!
ITA with the above. I don't see any reason to worry about the 2 yo based on this.
post #4 of 59
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Originally Posted by dynamicdoula
If a neighbor boy of four was in my yard showing my boys his penis I would be pretty friendly but firm, "Hey now, that belongs to you - let's keep our pants up when we're outside of the bathroom, ok?"
sounds perfect
post #5 of 59
Being a child psychology major I don't think that it's a sign of molestation. I think it's a sign of not having any parental supervision enough to know whats wrong and whats right. I agree with scatterbrainedmom in saying "hey lets keep that to yourself"... I think he would definitely feel embarrassed or ashamed in front of you if you did say something and then maybe wouldnt want to do it again... it's possible that no one has told him that those kinds of things are private and shouldn't be showing them to others
post #6 of 59
Thread Starter 
:::sigh:::

I never said it was a sign of molestation, I said unchecked, it could turn into molestation as they age. This is coming from someone who was molested by not one but several older boys when I was a little child.

But you know, I stopped coming to mothering over a month ago because of responses like this... people who don't bothering comprehending a message before posting a response. Sorry I made you cry.

I won't be back. Thanks anyways.


And yes, he has been told that it's unacceptable to show his privates to others. And he's still doing it. And I said that I took it up with his teacher because they've just finished a program that addresses this, and I wanted him to be spoken to by a figure of authority who wouldnt shame or punish him. So give me a damn break. You didnt bother comprehending a word that I said.
post #7 of 59
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Originally Posted by MPJJJ

I am also concerned because they also are raising their 2 year old granddaughter, and if he's so blatently exposing himself to my boys, what is he doing with her in the privacy of their house? This behaviour, unchecked, could escalate into molestion of her as they grow older.

What would you do if you were in this sticky situation?
one) you asked for our opinion. what did you expect? not everyone agrees with everyone

two) you are making assumptions that bear nothing on the situation. he is FOUR! ugh. my five year old like to shoot his penis at people and so does my 2yo.

it obviously bothers you so you should talk to the granparents. ESPECIALLY if you think it could escalate to molestation.
post #8 of 59
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Originally Posted by MPJJJ

I won't be back. Thanks anyways.

i'm sorry you feel that way. this is a great board for advice even if you don't always like it. take what you need and leave the rest.
post #9 of 59
I'm sorry that you didn't get what you were looking for- rather than attacking, could you clarify what I didn't understand so that I can help better? I will totally 'give you a damn' break if you give me the opportunity.

And you didn't make me cry, but it definitely wounds my heart to see a little boy exhibiting normal behavior being accused of possibly hurting people later on- would you say the same about a daughter who couldn't stop touching herself or other developmentally normal but socially challenging behavior? I am trying to understand *your* words, which I quoted above. Did I get it wrong?

I am sad that you are giving up rather than getting support and your questions answered, but if leaving meets your needs then I wish you well.
post #10 of 59
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I never said it was a sign of molestation, I said unchecked, it could turn into molestation as they age. This is coming from someone who was molested by not one but several older boys when I was a little child.
Sadly you aren't alone in this fact and I hear where you are coming from- but your conjecture is based on anecdote and personal trauma, not childhood development, ykwim? I hope that you will look at the situation again casting the little boy in a light of innocence and see if you come to a new conclusion. Blessings to you.
post #11 of 59
He's 4 , as far as I'm concerned this is normal.
post #12 of 59

Wow

Asking for advise is just that! It's advise from people with all different backgrounds and different ways of dealing with things. It just gives you the oppertunity to gather a few ideas.
You don't need to be so nasty... and yes I've had quite the childhood dealing with things like this as well and all I did was give you my opinion. I don't think it's the child that isnt acting his age, but instead it's you. I wish you luck!
post #13 of 59
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Originally Posted by huggerwocky
He's 4 , as far as I'm concerned this is normal.
Normal,or not,it would bother me to see another child exposing himself to my son. : I honestly think I would probably not allow my kid to play unnatended with this little boy from now on.
post #14 of 59
It is normal, but should be addressed (like the PP that said, "Hey, keep it in your pants.") Just knowing that an adult witnessed him might be enough to make him stop.

I don't think it should have been brought to the teacher's attention though, as it didn't happen AT school. If there was any concern, it should've been taken up with the grandparents. "Hey, I know this is normal behavior for this age but I thought you'd want to know..."
post #15 of 59
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Originally Posted by L&IsMama
Normal,or not,it would bother me to see another child exposing himself to my son. : I honestly think I would probably not allow my kid to play unnatended with this little boy from now on.
I personally feel that 4 is a little young to be playing without adult supervision, anyway.
post #16 of 59
I have to ask- what if it was a girl, lifting her skirt? Would she be assigned this 'bad' behavior, this borderline predatory behavior? Food for thought!
post #17 of 59
Can I ask what the issue is with the little boy's penis being visible? My son almost never even wore clothes until he started school. He ran around naked all the time. We told him some people didn't like that, and that he should put on pants before he went over to his friend's house, and that was about it. I had a run-in with one neighbour over it, and that was about it (as she equated my naked four-year-old with herself out in the yard using a sex toy in front of everybody, I didn't even take her seriously). I don't understand why this is a problem.
post #18 of 59
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post #19 of 59
well i don' t think it's normal.. I guess it depends on how he is exposing himself. i mean if he is just open about people showing it, like peeing out in the lawn then yes, i find it normal becuase they aren't shy. but if he see's someone and that's when he shows it then to me, that is very ODD behavior. Even my 2 yr old wouldn't act in such a way. It def. tells me that there is some issues that we don't no about.
I would approch the grandparents about it because i WOULD not my children exposed to this and if nothing is done about it then i would go to a higher power. JMO
post #20 of 59
what is the difference from a moon and a full on frontal? my brother mooned EVERYONE for a few years starting around age 5 (he still likes to do it now and he is 22). even our preacher. they are both private areas. for that matter so is flashing someone your breasts at Mardi Gras.

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well i don' t think it's normal.. I guess it depends on how he is exposing himself. i mean if he is just open about people showing it, like peeing out in the lawn then yes, i find it normal becuase they aren't shy. but if he see's someone and that's when he shows it then to me, that is very ODD behavior. Even my 2 yr old wouldn't act in such a way. It def. tells me that there is some issues that we don't no about.
I would approch the grandparents about it because i WOULD not my children exposed to this and if nothing is done about it then i would go to a higher power. JMO
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