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post #1 of 44
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I had tons of Shel Silverstein growing up, but never read this book until we got it for DD for Easter.

What *IS* this book!?!?! Is it a metaphor for parenting? I burst into sobs and could barely finish reading it to DD! Jeez how utterly SAD...

Am I the only one? Maybe I'm just hormonal...
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post #3 of 44
Oh I think his stuff is completely co-dependent. Have you ever read the other one... something about the missing piece? Oh dear... loving is a pretty sick thing in his head. But I have a hard time with many of the "love" books for kids. It is hard to find a healthy model of love.
post #4 of 44
I've heard that some people think the tree represents Jesus. I also heard that it represents unconditional love. I have mixed feelings about the book, myself. It was a gift to my DC from a great friend of mine but I didn't like it AT ALL at first. Now, I kind of like it because it provokes such strong feelings from people. I also have high hopes that it will be a good tool to use when DC and I want to talk about love.
post #5 of 44
I hate that book. When I was a kid I had to go to the guidance counselor on a weekly basis. She made me read the book, but never explained why. I thought the whole point was that I wasn't a giving enough person.
post #6 of 44
We were given that book when dd was a baby and I've never liked it. It is a messed up relationship.
I'm not sure what the message is supposed to be but to me it shows children take and take without consideration or gratitude. Why would I read that to my child and then expect her to use manners or consider others feelings?
post #7 of 44
I am SO glad to find others who don't like the book. People are always telling me how great it is, and look at me like I'm crazy when I say I can't stand it.
post #8 of 44
I have a love/hate relationship with that book. I can't get through it without sobbing.
post #9 of 44
Someone-UrbanPlanter maybe?--was trying to have The Giving Tree removed from her son's preschool. I don't know if she was successful, though.
post #10 of 44
shel silverstein HATED kids. read through all of his books. they are pretty horrible.
post #11 of 44
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Originally Posted by scatterbrainedmom
shel silverstein HATED kids. read through all of his books. they are pretty horrible.
Are you extrapolating this from your own readings of his book or did he actually say this somewhere?
post #12 of 44
Whew, I'm relieved to know I'm not the only person who dislikes Silverstein's oeuvre! I find him kind of creepy, frankly.
post #13 of 44
I actually liked this book, although I felt sorry for the tree. To me it was about unconditional love and friendship--the tree was always there for him no matter what. But I agree it would have been better if the boy had shown more love for the tree too.
post #14 of 44
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Originally Posted by annettemarie
Are you extrapolating this from your own readings of his book or did he actually say this somewhere?
i remember having this convo with the yahoo group I am on. I can't remember if somone read it somewhere or what, but I went back through my books by him and if he doesn't dislike children he has a warped sence of humor. i'll look back through and see if I can find a link.
post #15 of 44
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Originally Posted by scatterbrainedmom
i remember having this convo with the yahoo group I am on. I can't remember if somone read it somewhere or what, but I went back through my books by him and if he doesn't dislike children he has a warped sence of humor. i'll look back through and see if I can find a link.
Thanks! I'd be interested in that. Although no matter what, I still think his poem Someone Ate the Baby is brilliant.
post #16 of 44
I like his other poems and I appreciate his warped sense of humor. But I detest TGT. The female tree that lets herself be chopped up piece by piece for that selfish boy - Sick!

And the ending: she's dead and he's happy. Talk about a message for girls. And boys.
post #17 of 44
moved to books, etc... (nak)
post #18 of 44
Wow! I never read any of this into The Giving Tree. I always loved it. As a teacher, I did not read it to younger kids but 4th and 5th graders enjoyed talking about it as parable. We loved thinking about what it all meant. I always thought it meant that the tree was just always there for the boy, no matter how selfish the boy grew up to be. Like a wonderful grandparent. I took it as a lesson to not take things for granted. But, I have also read that it is a parable, telling us that sometimes, no matter what we do, not all of our love will be returned. Sometimes, it is wonderful to just give. Trees give us so much and many people give nothing back to them. I have a cedar tree in my yard that I love passionately in no small part because of the message of this book. This is a complicated story, not one young children can understand. It is strange that a preschool would have it. I can see that some would find it offensive that there is a female giving to a male who does not appreciate her but then again in 1964 that was a pretty common thing.

Did you know that Shel Silverstein was also a playwright and song writer? He wrote "A boy named Sue" for Johnny Cash. He wrote plays with David Mamet.

I will say that Mr. Silverstein was a very scary looking fellow!
post #19 of 44
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Originally Posted by scatterbrainedmom
but I went back through my books by him and if he doesn't dislike children he has a warped sence of humor. i'll look back through and see if I can find a link.
I just read a short bio of him in Wikipedia and it said that one of his books was written for one of his children who died young.





On a side note, there was another thread a lot like this one last year. I'll see if I can find it...
post #20 of 44
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Originally Posted by IdentityCrisisMama
I just read a short bio of him in Wikipedia and it said that one of his books was written for one of his children who died young.

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Did he have any children?

Shel, to my knowledge, had two children... a daughter and a son. Shel's daughter was named Shoshanna, shortened to Shanna. Her mother was a woman named Susan Hastings, whom Shel had a relationship with but did not marry. Shanna, born on June 30, 1970, died in Baltimore, MD, in April 24, 1982, at the age of eleven of a brain aneurysm. "It was the single most devastating event of his life, and he never really did recover from it", says a close friend. Had Shanna lived, she would have been 29 at the time of Shel's death. Shoshanna's mother, Susan, died on June 29, 1975, also in Baltimore. A side note: "A Light in the Attic" was dedicated "to Shanna", and Shel had drawn the sign with a flower attached. Shoshanna means "rose" in Hebrew.

Silverstein's son, Mathew, was 15 when his father died on May 10, 1999. Matthew is the sole heir to Shel Silverstein's $20 million estate. Shel's 1996 "Falling Up" was dedicated to Matt.
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He also did art for Playboy:
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