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"Going to the potty makes me sad"  

post #1 of 6
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Hi there mamas,

My almost-4-yo DD1 has been in underpants, and more dry than wet, for over a year. In the middle of all that, DD2 arrived, and we expected some regression, which did happen. I just did a lot of laundry and waited for it to pass. Since then, we've had easier and harder periods of potty attendance, but mostly, we have a few accidents a week. I can live with that. I don't want to put her in diapers or pullups during the day, though I don't care how long she wears a pullup at night. I don't want to push her or shame her or punish her...but I do very much want to stop dealing with it myself...

Here's the thing: she almost never wants to go to the potty. Sometimes she goes by herself, but lately, she doesn't. I see her doing the "pee pee dance" on her toes and say, "Hey, DD1, it looks like you need to use the potty." The reaction is almost always a high pitched whine or cry of "Noooooooooooooo, I don't haaaaaaaaaaaaaave to go." Then:

1. If I insist, she will eventually pee in the potty, but not until after a mini whining fit, including lying down on the floor of the bathroom squealing. She's not crying -- it's kind of a pretend cry -- but she just does not want to go.

OR

2. I say, "ok, you listen to your body, and go when it tells you that you need to go." If I say this, she is usually wet within a few minutes. Then, if I say, "DD1, are your underpants wet?," she has started to lie about it. I can usually SEE that they are wet, and she'll still say, "no." We've talked about how it's ok to make mistakes and pee in your underpants, but it is never ok to lie. She still lies.

DD1 is, in every other respect, one of the easiest kids I've ever met. She is sweet and agreeable and, though she has opinions, is usually open to almost anything. I realize this is a way of asserting her control over the world, but I wish she could pick something else. I give her lots of choices in her life. I asked her today why going to the potty is so hard for her, and why she fights about it so much, and she said, "Going to the potty makes me sad."

What to do?

TIA!!!
post #2 of 6
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*bump*

Really, so many views and no ideas? Anyone BTDT?
post #3 of 6
Well, I don't think I can help much but felt bad because you haven't received any replies. I can tell you that my 3-1/2 year old ds is kind of similar. He does the whole pee dance. I used to ask him if he needed to go and he would always say no. One day he was just about to hop in the tub and I noticed him thinking about having to go pee so I asked him if he needed to go and he stopped me mid-sentence and said "I don't want you to say that". I realized that I really needed to back off and not say anything. He really wanted to be in charge and even my asking if he needed to pee was too involved. So, now I usually say nothing (even though the sight of the pee dance drives me crazy ). Sometimes, if I notice he has to go I say something like "If you need to go pee, I'll wait here and I won't start the muffins until you get back". For my ds I think a lot of it is he doesn't want to miss out on anything. Sometimes he'll run off and go pee, other times he'll say he doesn't need to go. He also says that he doesn't like to go pee (no reason given). He also only likes to go poop in the afternoons and gets upset if he has to go in the morning

With regards to the accidents....maybe you could just set things up so that your dd could change her own underpants if they got wet. Have extra underpants available, a place for the wet underpants to go, etc... That way she has even more control and is responsible for taking care of her own body without having to discuss it with you. I think that would work with my ds as he likes to do many things himself. I'm not sure....my ds always makes it to the bathroom in time (although we've had some close calls).
post #4 of 6
My dd did that at about the same age, and what worked for us was not putting her in underwear for awhile. Either naked around the house or with a long dress in public. For some reason wet underwear didn't bother her but having pee run down her legs did. After maybe a week of that we tried underwear again and the only accidents she has now are when she gets really into something I don't notice in time to remind her.
post #5 of 6
I wanted to comment on the lying bit:

You're setting her up to lie. You notice her pants are wet, but still you ask, "Are your pants wet?" She knows she's expected to go on the potty, so if she didn't go, even though I know you stress to her it's no big deal, she might believe you'll be upset or disappointed. So, she tells you "no", and then you get upset that she lied. Instead of giving her the opportunity to lie by asking her if her pants are wet when you know they are, just state the obvious as a fact: "DD1, your pants are wet!" That won't give her the opportunity to lie. The fact that you get upset about lying (understandable!!) probably makes an already stressful situation (pottying) even more stressful for her.

Anywho...

When my DS was learning the whole potty routine, he went commando - just wore a shirt and nothing else at home. I'd also tell him to go potty while I did something he wanted. For example, if he asked for a snack, "Ok, I'll get your snack ready while you go potty." I'd also give him choices. For example, if we were on the way to a friend's house, "Do you want to potty here before we leave, or do you want to potty at your friend's house right after we arrive and before you play with him?"

Also, and I know this is controversial, but I was not above offering M&Ms for new potty skills. "If you pee or poop on the potty, you get an M&M!" He only remembered to ask for the M&M for a few days, but he always remembered the skill. We also made a big darn deal whenever he did go potty. We'd call Daddy, Nana, etc, and they'd just gush over him.

Good luck!
post #6 of 6
Thread Starter 
Thank you, everyone!

I agree with most of what you guys suggest...and I'll set up a bucket for dirty underwear. She already goes and gets clean ones for herself, and clean pants, but I've been dealing with the wet stuff.

WRT the lying, you're right, Mahogny...I hadn't thought of it that way. I'd been asking her when I wasn't sure because I think it's kind of rude for me to feel her crotch all the time...but if I CAN tell, I shouldn't ask, you're right.

She's been mostly fine with the potty for so long that I'm hesitant to start with m&ms or something, but maybe I'll try a longer-term reward for days without accidents. She's old enough to figure that out, I think. I actually took her to the pediatrician to be sure she didn't have a UTI, in case that was why she didn't want to pee. The ped said if I can see her doing the pee-pee dance, it's not a UTI, because a UTI would cause the pee to basically just fall out -- no urge to go. She tested the sample anyway, but it was negative.

Anyway, thanks for the sympathy and ideas, mamas!
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