Originally Posted by Arduinna
I still think circ should be illegal, but I do agree with PPs that trying to pin intactness on this issue is not the best way to further the cause. Especially I have seen this discussion on mainstream forums and it always results in people saying that well I/my partner doesn't have any problems you all are nuts and I'm not listening to anything else you say. Plus there are the people that think less feeling is good and reduces the incidence of masturbation so you are giving them one more sellng point for circ. Sadly I've even seen such sentiments posted at MDC that someone doesn't want to "promote" masturbation.
I have to say, there are people out there who NO MATTER what evidence, logical thought and documented facts you present to them will still go on to circumcize their sons. Just because those people are out there, it doesn't mean that we have to stop discussing what we know. Is EVERYTHING on this board about trying to convince people not to circumcise? I mean, a lot of this is sharing experiences and ideas with eachother who are likeminded.
I have heard some of the same sentiments as you....a woman on a mainstream breastfeeding board I am on researched all of the information I showed her, then went on to write to me and everyone in the group "I don't care if he feels more or enjoys sex more...frankly I think men enjoy sex enough." According to her, as long as he is able to have any orgasm then circumcision is OK. What a load of crap.
: These women on the whole don't seem to enjoy sex and mainly just tolerate it with their husbands. They don't know what sex might be like with a partner with intact genitals. And, since they have discomfort/weird sensations which take away from sex they just mentally assume that women just aren't designed to have sexual pleasure or orgasm. It takes a whole lot of female stimulation in the right way to overcome the negative/irritating sensations that you receive at times. Irony being I am one of those women who is very responsive AND have not had difficulty climaxing...BUT...they were often a mixture of pain/pleasure when it happened.
Before I knew what role circumcision played in my sex life I assumed that something was wrong with me because I got chafed (as did DH) and I had to use artificial lube. DH had to be so rough to get pleasure, and that made things uncomfrotable/painful at times. I had thought that was normal and that there "must have been something wrong with me" for not liking it when he did that.
THEN...when I discovered what circumcision had done, how it made sex less comfortable, dryer and made me more likely to chafe...well, then something just clicked in my head. Well, DUH, if you took away the negative sensations circumcision gives you well then sex would be all around comfortable, no pain at all...just pleasure (it was sort of a mix of it before...the sensations being at best subconsciously annoying to at worst painful). Now that I understood how a penis was meant to work (a whole penis that is) I never felt bad about using lube....I insisted that I start on top to take things at my own "gentler" pace...I take my time and do my thing....then I give him his turn to do the rough stuff he needs.
DH knows most of this stuff too....I talk to him/share things (which may be why he is now on the road to restoration). He is open minded about things, and to a certain extent that is what you need to be in order to be receptive to the idea that what your circumcised normal is wouldn't be as good as what an intact normal would have been.
I mean, if you think about it in simple language...who do you think would have more sexual sensation...the person who had all of the genitals they were born with, or the person who had some of their genitals removed? That makes it a no brainer.
Like you said, there is going to be people out there who will think "oh, well, if he can still orgasm then it's still OK." What stupid logic though. I mean, I have read stories of circumcised women who still orgasm. So, does that mean that it was still right what was done to them? I think not.
Everyone has the right to the fully functioning genitals they were born with.