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post #41 of 68
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Now they're saying that kids shouldn't sit in the front until 15.
I don't get why they're making it an age thing, unless they're just going to make it 18 and be done with it. There is no magic age where it becomes safer than, or even as safe, to ride in the front, is there? So maybe we should just never allow minors to do so, just like we don't let them operate meat slicers or forklifts. Otherwise, how does it make sense to make a 5'10" 180 lb 14 year old ride in the back, but a 5'2" 100 lb 25 year old can ride in front? I think pinkmilk has a valid point. Where DO we draw the line?
post #42 of 68
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Originally Posted by paquerette
I don't get why they're making it an age thing, unless they're just going to make it 18 and be done with it. There is no magic age where it becomes safer than, or even as safe, to ride in the front, is there? So maybe we should just never allow minors to do so, just like we don't let them operate meat slicers or forklifts. Otherwise, how does it make sense to make a 5'10" 180 lb 14 year old ride in the back, but a 5'2" 100 lb 25 year old can ride in front? I think pinkmilk has a valid point. Where DO we draw the line?
I agree it should be a size thing. AND they should continue to do more to improve safety of cars and seatbelts for EVERYONE. The airbags with switches are a step in the right direction, but I want more.

-Angela
post #43 of 68
I'm a medium sized woman height wise, and I still don't think the lowest setting for the seat belt is quite low enough.

Anyway, people should get over their hangups about what things look like and keep their kids safe. Period.

Who cares what your friends think? That's what we need to teach our kids.

Of course my kid is 6, and he doesn't care much what I think. But he's still in a booster seat. And he's quite tall.

And my 2 year old is in a five-point seat, though his height is becoming an issue for his current seat. Not sure how I will fit a bigger seat into my too small car....Hmm.....

mv
post #44 of 68
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Originally Posted by paquerette
I don't get why they're making it an age thing, unless they're just going to make it 18 and be done with it. There is no magic age where it becomes safer than, or even as safe, to ride in the front, is there? So maybe we should just never allow minors to do so, just like we don't let them operate meat slicers or forklifts. Otherwise, how does it make sense to make a 5'10" 180 lb 14 year old ride in the back, but a 5'2" 100 lb 25 year old can ride in front? I think pinkmilk has a valid point. Where DO we draw the line?
The line is drawn for most at puberty. At puberty the bones are fully formed and the illiac spines are formed. The body is mature and is physically capable of taking on crash forces. Crash forces are experienced much differently in a child versus an adult. As a child grows and changes, so does their restraint needs in a vehicle.

DC
post #45 of 68
DH is taking an online driving course (due to speeding ticket. ) He just learned that boosters are recommended for children 4 ft. 10 inches and under. Beyond that they don't need one, and maybe even should not use one since the belt may not fit properly. The danger in little ones under the height requirement without the booster is that they could slip under the belt in an accident. To follow logic, I could see how if a child is taller than the height for a booster, then he could be "top heavy" as the belt would hit him lower than it should.
post #46 of 68
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Originally Posted by TiredX2
Please don't!. If you mean the triangular fabric things that pull the upper belt down, those are extreamly unsafe (because they also pull the lap belt up--- over the abdomen instead of over the hips).

How does your DS feel about the booster? If he dislikes it and can "make" himself sit correctly, that would be an option. Then, it puts it on him--- if he is slumping, or pulling the belt out of postion, he needs help. Is there somewhere in the car that the belt would fit him better. DD is only 7 now, and I really can't imagine her being safer in a booster at 11.5 than without, but I aslo assume she will be well over 4'9" at that point.

ITA. Do not use a seatbelt adjuster. Either your ds fits okay in a regular seatbelt in the backseat, or he still needs the added height of the booster. The in-between routes just don't work well, and really aren't safe.
post #47 of 68
I had a booster seat until I was in the 3rd grade in the 1980's because I weighed less than 40 lbs. I remember being the *only* kid I knew who used one.

You know, looking back on it, I'm glad my parents did it. I was paranoid that others would see it and think I was a special needs child, but I was pretty stealth about getting in and out of the car in a way that no one could see it. I'm glad my parents chose my safety over what was or wasn't cool.

Really, why do people care so much about making sure their kids are cool? I mean I play the game a little bit and my child dresses stylishly and all but I'm always going to draw the line at safety. If you're doing the right things in life, you are likely to get teased for them at some point along the way. Who cares? I know words can hurt, but if you're providing a healthy home life and a good foundation for psychological health, why are you worried about the digs kids are going to get in life anyways. Maybe you could help your kids to learn how to laugh about some of the things like having to ride in a car seat. We're not going to be able to shield our kids from all teasing. I don't go out of my way to do things that would cause it but I'm not trying to make a societal 'follower' either who conforms to every standard of 'cool'. If you aren't able to look back at some of the mortifying things that happened to you in your pre-teen years and laugh now, you're missing out. Kids are resilient about that stuff if they learn how to work through it. All in all, I expect my kid will be teased at some point and I can't protect them from that. But, brain injury, spinal injury, and death, now that's something all of us parents can do something to prevent.
post #48 of 68
Am I the only one who keeps thinking it seems like a bit of a red flag for trollish that the OP hasn't come back and posted what her child weighs - or any other comments on all that has been said in the thread?
post #49 of 68
I have an 11.5 year old son who still rides in a booster seat. He is 72 lbs, 54", and in 6th grade. He's just a relatively small child. All of his brothers are still in carseats as well, and will all be until they meet the minimum requirements of 8 years, 80 lbs, and 59 inches.

I read this topic yesterday and had the conversation with ds1 this morning regarding the topic. He understands that we're putting his safety first. I asked him if his friends know that he rides in a booster seat and he said he mentioned it the other day when they measured themselves in class. He measured himself at 57" and was excited because he was "tall enough to stop riding in a booster seat". He said the kids laughed for a minute and by the time they were on to their next class, had forgotten all about it.

I also told him this morning that if he does get backlash about it, he can blame it on me - you know, "My parents are so embarassing - can you believe they still make me ride in a booster seat?" What kid doesn't have to do something he or she finds embarassing? He'll have found a common ground, even if it's not the same issue.

Oh yeah - hi, I'm new.
post #50 of 68
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Originally Posted by Kirsten
Am I the only one who keeps thinking it seems like a bit of a red flag for trollish that the OP hasn't come back and posted what her child weighs - or any other comments on all that has been said in the thread?
ITA. Maybe she got busy?
post #51 of 68
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Originally Posted by kcetjmgn
I have an 11.5 year old son who still rides in a booster seat. He is 72 lbs, 54", and in 6th grade. He's just a relatively small child. All of his brothers are still in carseats as well, and will all be until they meet the minimum requirements of 8 years, 80 lbs, and 59 inches.

I read this topic yesterday and had the conversation with ds1 this morning regarding the topic. He understands that we're putting his safety first. I asked him if his friends know that he rides in a booster seat and he said he mentioned it the other day when they measured themselves in class. He measured himself at 57" and was excited because he was "tall enough to stop riding in a booster seat". He said the kids laughed for a minute and by the time they were on to their next class, had forgotten all about it.

I also told him this morning that if he does get backlash about it, he can blame it on me - you know, "My parents are so embarassing - can you believe they still make me ride in a booster seat?" What kid doesn't have to do something he or she finds embarassing? He'll have found a common ground, even if it's not the same issue.

Oh yeah - hi, I'm new.
WELCOME to MDC! Way to go mama. Boosters are not uncool at all.

DC
post #52 of 68
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The one I am thinking of is a little clip, I don't know that it differs from the one you are talking about
I have the metal clips on the actual car seat that redirects the seatbelt to go across his shoulders.

But, he would have to be VERY small to not fit in a car's seat.
post #53 of 68
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Originally Posted by sophmama
I had a booster seat until I was in the 3rd grade in the 1980's because I weighed less than 40 lbs. I remember being the *only* kid I knew who used one.

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I did not even know they HAD booster seats in the 1980s. I thought they were invented in the early 90s.

I'm so dang old.
post #54 of 68
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Kirsten
Am I the only one who keeps thinking it seems like a bit of a red flag for trollish that the OP hasn't come back and posted what her child weighs - or any other comments on all that has been said in the thread?
NO! no! sorry, i forgot i posted until ds brought it up again today.

he is about 72#.

i have been to see a tech twice. last time was one yr ago, and he about dropped when he saw i was using a booster. he told me he sees much younger kids all the time w/out one. when ds1 was almost 4, i ditched the carseat. we did have one of those boosters with the swing arm shield, but really never used it. then one day outside of Kmart they were having a safety fair, and i nosed around. someone gave me a coupon for a free booster, and some printouts, and i flipped! i was quite mad at myself, and he's used a booster ever since.

ds2 is in a 5pt, and will be as long as possible.

i pretty much know all the carseat "rules". ds1 doesnt pass the 5 step test. his body fits the seat, but the belt doesnt fit his body.

i know not to use the triangle slip-on thingies.

i guess i am really shocked that so many ppl here are worried about what others think of them and their kids. how many of you have kids with mohawks, or boys with hair to their waist, or girls with pink and blue hair? i guess if a kid can feel good about themselves while being different, that applies to booster seats. LOL

ds is homeschooled so no teasing there. his dad even has a seat for his car for the weekend visits. i dont think any of his friends there even know, let alone tease.

i have to admit why i want him in the front seat...i want company! i want to chat with him. i'm not planning to put him in the front b4 12, but i had intended to let up when 6 mos was up and he had his bday.

yk, he could grow quite a bit in 6 mos...

DC...is it totally wrong to do the booster in the front with the seat all the way back? it seems like a fair compromise.

oh, yeah, and i tried him in the front seat, and that belt actually fits him better w/out the seat than the back does.

last, i am really suprised by some of you...if its ok, can this just be between myself and any techs from now on? i obviously am concerned about his emotional needs, but i just dont want to have to read insensitive words. thanks to all who replied...i'm really starting to think i need to tell him it may not happen just yet.

BWB
post #55 of 68
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Originally Posted by blessedwithboys

DC...is it totally wrong to do the booster in the front with the seat all the way back? it seems like a fair compromise.
I have forgotten to come back to threads too sometimes. Glad to see you back. Before I answer your question, I need to know a few things. What year and make is your car? Does it have airbags? If so, are they front and side, or front only? If side airbags installed, are they curtain? Where is your younger DS sitting?

Dallaschildren
CPS tech and momma to 2 sons in seats
post #56 of 68
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Originally Posted by blessedwithboys
i realize i am the worlds biggest dork. LOL i am making my 11.5yo ds use a low back booster in the back seat of the car. our state allows him to sit in the front at age 12. we have a passenger airbag, and he is slight of build. i am really starting to rethink letting him move up front.

can he sit up front and still use the booster?

is his emotional need to stop feeling "like a baby" more important than his physical safety?

neither the back nor the front belts fit him very well sans booster. maybe i should compromise and let him ditch the booster, but make him stay in the back?

any BTDT's?

thanks!
You are the one that asked for all these opinions. And they are just that. People's opinions. Nothing more.
post #57 of 68
BlessedWithBoys- a great big for you for keeping your kids safe. Pay no attention to the naysayers. Better a live "weird" kid than a dead popular one. I was always weird and quite proud of it.

-Angela
post #58 of 68
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Originally Posted by dallaschildren
There are so many things wrong with this article, I don't even know how to begin to address them. From their "test" to their conclusions....wrong, wrong, 100% wrong. It is mis-information like what is included in this article, that will continue to endanger many many children and perpetuate the cycle of non-use and mis-use which will kill and injure our kids needlessly.

Dallaschildren
CPS tech/instructor and momma to 2 sons in seats
They used actual stats provided by the govt which any of has access to and they even describe how in fact that got the results and how one can create queries like they did.

And they admit that their testing was a one time thing of a one scenario.

The quote from the Institute for Highway Safety is factual and does exist.

They are referring to fatalities and not injuries which they point out have been greatly reduced by the increased use of booster seats.

They point out they don't advocate non use of safety seats for young children but are questioning the value of booster seat for older children and I agree with them.

I do not believe that a backless booster seat is going to serve as a life saving or injury reducing device for a 12 year old and I would be more concerned that it could in fact lead to injury or death as the seat design may allow the belts to not be in the right positions or lay close enough to the child or elevate the child too high. I would be concerend that booster seats are not designed with 12 year old children in mind.

Backless booster seats are not a new thing and have been available since the 80's when car seat use became mandatory. The design of the seats seems not to have changed much if at all and its unlikely that back in the 80s they even considered children over the age of 4 to be sitting in them.
post #59 of 68
m9...booster seats are desinged with height and weight in mind, not age. If the 12 year old in question is within the height and weight range, then the seat is desinged for him.

The study that you reference is extremely flawed, because, as I mentioned, it does NOT take into account the fact that 90% of child restraints are installed incorrectly. There is more than enough factual information out there that PROVES that a carseat/booster seat is by FAR safer than a regular seatbelt in a child too small for it.
post #60 of 68
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Originally Posted by blessedwithboys
he is about 72#.
Make sure check his height against the booster seat manual. My DD's has 3 boosters, one which goes up to 52" height (full back and she grew out of it), one up to 54" (another full back model), and her new backless which goes up to 57".

If he is taller than the height for the booster, he won't be safe. I am not sure what you'd do if you had a child that was too tall for boosters but yet didn't pass the 5 point test. That would be a toughy! Not saying you're in this situation, I am simply wondering about those who are (heck my DD could be in this situation eventually but hopefully not!). I know our centre seat in the rear has the seat belt at a lower height than the outboard seats which is great for kids who've outgrown boosters. I REALLY wish I had height adjustors on the outboard seats as well. Our vehicle only has those for the front seats.
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