Healing the Gut Tribe ~ May - Page 6

[mimim]

Hi, I'm a lurker here and I've finally talked myself into starting SCD for my whole family.

I've been dealing with yeast since my DD was born last March. She has eczema that flares due to dairy (goat too) and everything she eats comes out totally undigested. She only poops about 3 times a week and when she does it's a mass of mucous and chunks of food. I'm sure this problem started because of our yeast issues. Thank goodness she's nursing, otherwise I'm sure she'd be really malnourished.

My oldest DS, 12, has no digestive problems or obvious food sensitivities, but he is on the autism spectrum. My younger DS, 4, has soft bowel movements and a REALLY short temper. I suspect they have yeast/bacteria issues too.

So, we plan to start the SCD intro diet in about 2 weeks. It's going to be difficult to do on our budget though.

I'm worried about dealing with school lunches and snacks for my sons, though. Any suggestions for early stage SCD foods that travel well?
I really need snack suggestions too for the early days.

So far I'm thinking of keeping on hand for snacking on:

little meatballs
hard boiled eggs
yogurt (obviously)
gelatin
carrot chips (how long will these keep?)
chicken soup
tomato soup


They really don't like cooked fruits and veggies. BTVC says to wait to do these until after diarrhea is gone. If we don't have any can I start raw stuff after the first week or so?


Also, does anyone have a cheap source of nuts? I'm not sure how we'll afford to buy so many. They are not cheap.

Thanks!! Hopefully I'll be more active now that I'm coming out of denial about food.

[caedmyn]

For those of you who have been on SCD for a while...when (how many days/weeks into it) did you add nut butter? And where there any symptoms that went away or guidelines that you used to determine when to add it, or did you just decide to try it?

[Annikate]

I tried nut butters almost right away. I was sooo hungry. They don't give me trouble, but I don't eat much at a time.

[Karry]

Has anyone tried the chewable tablet enzymes? I'm wondering if this would be a better way to get my ds to take them. By the way I haven't tried any enzymes with him yet, but I'm wondering what would be best because he is picky and can taste things disquised in food. Also what is the best online source for Peptizyde and Zyme Prime? Thanks.

[EBG]

Hi! I'm also new to this forum. I have been following a few threads here and I've been learning more than I have in several months on the internet. You guys are sharing very valuable information.
I have been on the SCD since January-February with yogurt. I'm also dealing with eczema. My two and a half YO DD#1 has eczema issues as well as mushy poops. My bf DD#2 is 10 months old as of today. Thank God she is eczema-free. I went on a LC-candida diet in December after I had a bad flare-up of eczema (on my fingers) and got fed up with the dermatologist's prescriptions. No sugar/grain/dairy until I swithced to SCD. I did a round of Culturelle before the yogurt which didn't make a difference. I had some die-off when I first started the diet with garlic (rash on neck, chest, arms, ears) that went away in about two weeks, but not with Culturelle. The hand eczema didn't go away. So I thought maybe I need to cut out something else: grains. Someone on another forum said they cleared up their eczema with the SCD yogurt, so that's why I started the SCD diet plus coconut oil. However, it's not making a difference. I love the yogurt though. I never really had gut issues until I went on the diet. The CO can cause major nausea if I take too much at a time. It's nice on the skin but does nothing for the rash.
I also take 2tbs Cod liver oil (Carlson or GOL whenever I get a good price), zinc, biotin, esterC, quercetin, vit E, folic acid plus my Twinlabs multi.
I just tarted taking plant enzymes last week which made my break out even more on my hands. How long is the die-off with the enzymes? I'm getting discouraged because every time I discover a new supplement/diet variation I have high hopes and nothing gets better. I'm also following NT and have allowed myself some sprouted bread but I think I shouldn't eat any because of the candida issues. I don't eat honey and very little fruit (berries and avocados). Nut butters/flours make me very itchy. Maybe because they were not soaked? So I do a modified SCD-NT combo. I wish oh I wish I had access to raw milk and dairy.... Nothing around here (DC area). So I'm limited to the 24 hour yogurt and DCCC and I give my 2 year old some pasturized organic whole milk but I don't like doing it.
I'm thinking about getting a goat but my DH thinks it's insane. That's his opinion about my diet thing in general. He's an SAD devotee as well as everybody else in the family. I'm all alone. My 2 year-old is 99% eczema-free now, after several months of loosely doing SCD with a lot of fat and sunshine. She is finally willing to take CLO. My bf 10-month old is a happy chubby baby, loving CLO, I'm following WAPF pricliples with her. However, I can't make her eat the egg yolks. Any ideas? I tried it plain, mixed with pureed veggies... Same with meat. She likes some veggies and fruits but she doesn't need all the carbs.

So any miracle cure for eczema? I'm convinced it's related to leaky gut/yeast. I'm surprised my bf baby is doing so well.

[Annikate]

Originally Posted by EBG
I'm thinking about getting a goat but my DH thinks it's insane. That's his opinion about my diet thing in general. He's an SAD devotee as well as everybody else in the family. I'm all alone. My 2 year-old is 99% eczema-free now, after several months of loosely doing SCD with a lot of fat and sunshine. She is finally willing to take CLO. My bf 10-month old is a happy chubby baby, loving CLO, I'm following WAPF pricliples with her. However, I can't make her eat the egg yolks. Any ideas? I tried it plain, mixed with pureed veggies... Same with meat. She likes some veggies and fruits but she doesn't need all the carbs.

Isn't it funny how all the SADers think we're quacks?

I give my 12 mo. old egg yolks w/a generous amount of raw butter. She likes them better this way and they're not so dry either.

[~Shanna~]

Originally Posted by Annikate

Isn't it funny how all the SADers think we're quacks?

Seasonal Affected Disorder?

[JaneS]

Nope, Standard American Diet.

Thats ok if they think I'm quacky... I'm seriously scared of SAD'ers with how much I know right now about how nutrition effects the body! I see every single disease/disorder in the form of how lack of nutrition has caused it and it's pretty overwhelming sometimes. No wonder our children's generation has so many issues. My DS will only be allowed to marry into a WAPF family. I'm not kidding.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by Karry

Has anyone tried the chewable tablet enzymes? I'm wondering if this would be a better way to get my ds to take them. By the way I haven't tried any enzymes with him yet, but I'm wondering what would be best because he is picky and can taste things disquised in food. Also what is the best online source for Peptizyde and Zyme Prime? Thanks.

Yes, I got the Houston's on a lark, they taste pretty darn good. But lots of fructose and other sugars and they are not as potent at the capsules, you have to give more sometimes (see chart on site for dosing schedule).

Their website is the only source I think www.houstonni.com

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by mimim

Hi, I'm a lurker here and I've finally talked myself into starting SCD for my whole family.

I've been dealing with yeast since my DD was born last March. She has eczema that flares due to dairy (goat too) and everything she eats comes out totally undigested. She only poops about 3 times a week and when she does it's a mass of mucous and chunks of food. I'm sure this problem started because of our yeast issues. Thank goodness she's nursing, otherwise I'm sure she'd be really malnourished.

My oldest DS, 12, has no digestive problems or obvious food sensitivities, but he is on the autism spectrum. My younger DS, 4, has soft bowel movements and a REALLY short temper. I suspect they have yeast/bacteria issues too.

So, we plan to start the SCD intro diet in about 2 weeks. It's going to be difficult to do on our budget though.

I'm worried about dealing with school lunches and snacks for my sons, though. Any suggestions for early stage SCD foods that travel well?
I really need snack suggestions too for the early days.

So far I'm thinking of keeping on hand for snacking on:

little meatballs
hard boiled eggs
yogurt (obviously)
gelatin
carrot chips (how long will these keep?)
chicken soup
tomato soup


They really don't like cooked fruits and veggies. BTVC says to wait to do these until after diarrhea is gone. If we don't have any can I start raw stuff after the first week or so?


Also, does anyone have a cheap source of nuts? I'm not sure how we'll afford to buy so many. They are not cheap.

Thanks!! Hopefully I'll be more active now that I'm coming out of denial about food.

Molly!

Mucus in poop is a clear sign of yeast. The short temper is definately gut related I know that for a fact as I can tell what kind of day (and night) DS is going to have depending on the solidity of his poop!

RE: ASD and digestion
The studies were done showed something like 85% had digestive issues, so you might be surprised with die off. But with your DS it could be viral too, and thus manifesting itself differently. Is he vaccinated? I highly recommend Karen DeFelice's book www.enzymestuff.com. And cod liver oil.

I'm not sure about raw stuff, I would wait on them for a bit, esp. fruit. See how the Intro. goes if you get die off, etc.

The Pecanbread list members use www.nuts4u.com

RE: snacks
Maybe pancakes or muffins made from nut butter after a few weeks. Pecanbread Yahoo list always has good snack suggestions too.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by New Mama

Is there a non-dairy, non-soy product I could eat? I can't do either because of my son's spitting up, and I'd rather not do dairy at all if I could.

The kefir sodas recipes in Eat Fat, Lose Fat.
I just made the lemonade: One packet of kefir powder or grains (1/2 cup? I forget, I used powder), 1 cup fresh lemon juice and 1/2 cup sweetener. Leave out at room temp for 48 hours and transfer to fridge. Will get more bubbly the longer it ripens.

The nut yogurt recipe I've used is at www.pecanbread.com

Also coconut milk plus honey as a non dairy sub too.

[Kundalini-Mama]

So Jane, I see you mentioned the letter in the latest issue of Mothering in regards to the chlorophyl and the fancy nerve thing. I've stored that info in my head so that I can remember next pregnancy

Anywho, I was reading the vegetarian article, and I was just goblesmacked time upon time upon time and I was thinking, "Hey, Jane is very articulate, she should write a nice letter to the editor"

Any desire??

I was just at most of the thing. Evidently a 1-4 yr old requires 4 servings of whole grains a day!! That is 4 slices of bread!! Can you imagine! And the way it spouted off the healthiness of a vegetarian diet, combined w/all the great soy products available, e.g. Soy yogurt, soy cottage cheese, "bacon" strips and "cheese substitutes loaded w/essential nnutrients." Oh pulheez.

"From hot dogs to chicken nuggets, meat substitutes make the transistion to becoming and remaining a vegetarian easier for kids". Okay, in what universe is pretend food healthy?? Honestly, I feel like I'm on an episode of Sliders or something. Even when I was a veg, I didn't eat that crap. You know why? I preferred real food, not some highly processed wheat gluten w/some soy protein isolate for the phytoestrogens. Not to mention some caramel color, a lil' trans fats, and a dash of high fructose corn syrup, sounds delicious

Please can someone tell me how a hamburger made from grass-fed organic beef is inferior to some highly processed soy and wheat gluten combo. Please.

[Karry]

Originally Posted by JaneS

Yes, I got the Houston's on a lark, they taste pretty darn good. But lots of fructose and other sugars and they are not as potent at the capsules, you have to give more sometimes (see chart on site for dosing schedule).

Their website is the only source I think www.houstonni.com

Thanks. I think I'll try the chewables.

[mamajessica]

Originally Posted by AmyD

I was just at most of the thing. Evidently a 1-4 yr old requires 4 servings of whole grains a day!! That is 4 slices of bread!! Can you imagine! .

I was really disturbed by this too! My DD is 16 months old, 27.5 lbs and eats maybe 1/2 cup of grains, 1/2 cup veggies, 1/2 cup fruit and 1/4 cup of yogurt a day. By their standards she should be starving! (but she is stll nursin')

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by New Mama

To go back a day (I'm re-reading, hoping to understand a bit better) -- I had always heard that while pregnant, and presumably, nursing, you should avoid high does of Vitamin A (why I couldn't do Retin-A while pregnant). Is this different somehow?

Very, very different. "Back in the day" many pregnant women were advised to take cod liver oil and eat liver in this country as did native societies six months before ttc to up their A stores before becoming pg. Food forms of vitamin A are much needed for hormone production, tooth generation, bone formation, eyesight, etc. etc. Most women are deficient.

Retin A is chemical form and toxic for that reason.

See this thread for more discussion:
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=408632

[Annikate]

Originally Posted by JaneS
My DS will only be allowed to marry into a WAPF family. I'm not kidding.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by AmyD

So Jane, I see you mentioned the letter in the latest issue of Mothering in regards to the chlorophyl and the fancy nerve thing. I've stored that info in my head so that I can remember next pregnancy

Anywho, I was reading the vegetarian article, and I was just goblesmacked time upon time upon time and I was thinking, "Hey, Jane is very articulate, she should write a nice letter to the editor"

Any desire??

I was just at most of the thing. Evidently a 1-4 yr old requires 4 servings of whole grains a day!! That is 4 slices of bread!! Can you imagine! And the way it spouted off the healthiness of a vegetarian diet, combined w/all the great soy products available, e.g. Soy yogurt, soy cottage cheese, "bacon" strips and "cheese substitutes loaded w/essential nnutrients." Oh pulheez.

"From hot dogs to chicken nuggets, meat substitutes make the transistion to becoming and remaining a vegetarian easier for kids". Okay, in what universe is pretend food healthy?? Honestly, I feel like I'm on an episode of Sliders or something. Even when I was a veg, I didn't eat that crap. You know why? I preferred real food, not some highly processed wheat gluten w/some soy protein isolate for the phytoestrogens. Not to mention some caramel color, a lil' trans fats, and a dash of high fructose corn syrup, sounds delicious

Please can someone tell me how a hamburger made from grass-fed organic beef is inferior to some highly processed soy and wheat gluten combo. Please.

I did??? Where is that... ? Must be my evil twin or something or I'm REALLY losing my mind. I haven't seen current Mothering yet, it's buried somewhere.

I so totally agree with you. I said something similar in a recent thread... like why do vegetarians feel bashed when I say there are many published studies on the health dangers of processed soy milk? Why does being veg. mean you have to eat processed food?

Grass fed organic beef is health food. And let me tell you it took me years to be able to say that and really know why that is and have it really sink in. And to not be fat or cholesterol phobic. Just processed vegetable oil phobic. Fake, non traditional fat phobic.

If they weren't eating it in the year 1900, it's not healthy to eat now!!

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by New Mama

So if you're saying that it's a natural process that a baby starts out with a leaky gut and his mother's milk heals that...is it because she passes digestive enzymes to the baby through her milk? Or is there some other process involved?

Also, stupid question, but what is the difference between digestive enzymes and probiotics?

Probiotics also produce digestive enzymes (as well as vitamins) and take care of the intestinal villi... the little fingerlike projections in the small intestine that also produce enzymes.

More on gut and newborns here from one of my favorite articles:
Just One Bottle Won't Hurt, Or Will It?
http://www.massbfc.org/formula/bottle.html

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by caedmyn

Does anyone do raw milk yogurt? Why is it illegal? I plan to do raw milk yogurt if I can ever do dairy again...I do raw honey too even if that is not legal. It just seems like it is better to get the benefits of the enzymes that are in the raw forms.

I do b/c I'm a renegade

It's illegal on the SCD b/c other bacteria could grow in addition to the acidophilus.

[Kundalini-Mama]

Originally Posted by JaneS

I did??? Where is that... ? Must be my evil twin or something or I'm REALLY losing my mind. I haven't seen current Mothering yet, it's buried somewhere.

hehe, in my head I thought it was you. Whoever it is, step forward.

You must unbury the magazine and read the article on vegetarianism. So enlightening.....oops, have to go, I need to get to the store to get some soy made into pork spare ribs before bed......