Healing the Gut Tribe ~ May - Page 8

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by bluets

I learned from a researcher who studies comparative neonatal gut development that human infants have a permeable gut for only a few days - permeable to small water-soluble substances (it closes up on its own). Otherwise, the gut is only permeable if damaged. In other animals, the neonatal gut is wide open, allowing take-up of IgA from mama; in humans, babies get their passive immune protection in the form of IgG prenatally through the placenta. However, small quantities of big antigens may get across the human neonatal gut - this may be a good thing as it "tolerises" the infant immune system and makes it capable of recognizing and dealing with appropriately with them later in life. The baby's gut also has cells on its surface (in Peyer's patches - lymphoid tissue) that recognize and deal with "foreign" antigens - whether or not they traverse the gut barrier. Finally, in mastitis, big molecules (both antigens and antibodies) can "leak" into milk.

Hmmm...now everything I've read says that babies' guts are highly permeable until about 6 months old, and don't fully close until 2 years old, which allows the mother's antibodies from BM to go through the gut. Isn't that one of the reasons BF'ing is better--the baby gets immune system support from the mother?

[EBG]

Originally Posted by caedmyn

EBG--Actually I doubt you'll get any suggestions on preparing for them, just suggestions on not vaxing. I've seen several threads asking how to minimize damage (and posted myself--DH is military and they have mandatory vaxes for him) and there are never any replies. But it wouldn't hurt to try.

Is vaxing something you are willing to put your foot down on to your DH? I believe in being submissive to my DH (I know this won't be a popular concept on this forum but that is my belief) but vaxes are the one thing I would not be willing to give in on...fortunately after I did the research and told DH what I found he is fine with not vaxing.

Yes I have tried negotiating and he said no. I believe the ultimate decision is his and I have to submit. He does know some kids have very extreme reactions (our pastors first child - so all of their kids are unvaxed) and even die from it, but he said our kids will be vaxed and that's that. He wouldn't read the evidence against vaccines, even if I put it in front of him. I have tried. I guess I'll keep trying....He thinks I'm brainwashed by some diet cult.

I know the WAPF suggested to give extra CLO and vitamin C. And I can hope and pray. After all I also survived several vaccines including the smallpox and had no reactions to anything. But I'm sure they contributed to my leaky gut.

[EBG]

Originally Posted by bluets

preparing for vaxes... I think Momtezuma in the vax forum has recommended in the past (if one must do vaxes) that you dose your dc with 500 mg of sodium ascorbate (and only sodium ascorbate - not ascorbic acid) prior to the vax (30 minutes or so, i think). definitely do NOT under any circumstance administer any fever reducer after the vax. be diligent in watching for signs of reactions, knowing that reactions may occur up to 2 weeks (or more) after the vax - if a reaction occurs, be firm with the doc and insist that it be reported to VAERS (or get the batch/lot # and brand of the vax and report it yourself).

Thanks, what is sodium ascorbate?

[mamajessica]

It's a form of vit c that is very absorbable and easily used by cells. It comes in crystals and is a bit hard to find sometimes.

[Gale Force]

Originally Posted by caedmyn

I've seen several threads asking how to minimize damage (and posted myself--DH is military and they have mandatory vaxes for him) and there are never any replies. But it wouldn't hurt to try.

Then look in the archives because I remember discussions like this coming up -- like the ascorbate acid.

My husband was hesitant too but, by chance, our family practice doc typically recommends at least delaying. We agreed we would delay for a year and then revisit the decision. We haven't really talked much about it since. My son is now 4 and somehow in that time, my husband changed his mind on this.

Actually, it's been so long, I had forgotten. I did play a bit more of a role in helping him reform his position. My husband has a background in a certain type of research design and I found a study that used that same design to show that vaxes were ineffective. I don't have it anymore. Lost that link long ago. But it was one of those cross-national analyses of disease rates and vax rates over time.

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by EBG

Yes I have tried negotiating and he said no. I believe the ultimate decision is his and I have to submit. He does know some kids have very extreme reactions (our pastors first child - so all of their kids are unvaxed) and even die from it, but he said our kids will be vaxed and that's that. He wouldn't read the evidence against vaccines, even if I put it in front of him. I have tried. I guess I'll keep trying....He thinks I'm brainwashed by some diet cult.

I know the WAPF suggested to give extra CLO and vitamin C. And I can hope and pray. After all I also survived several vaccines including the smallpox and had no reactions to anything. But I'm sure they contributed to my leaky gut.

If I had to vax this is what I would do (I don't know if your DH would be open to this or not...). I would wait until 2 years (I believe in Japan they don't give any vaxes until age 2 because the immune system can't really do anything with them anyway until that age--there's a technical reason why but I don't remember it, so maybe he would go for that). I would also only give one dose at a time and wait as long as possible between each vax, preferably at least a month if not more. Also, do you have the option of giving only the vaxes that are required for school entry? This number is usually less than what the CDC or AAP recommend (can't remember which) and some vaxes aren't even required so you might have to do fewer vaxes if you can go that route. Good luck and I hope everything goes okay for your DC--I know that is a really tough position to be in.

[~Shanna~]

I just ordered my first bottle of CLO and my first tub of coconut oil. Do I get a membership card or something?

[EBG]

Originally Posted by caedmyn

If I had to vax this is what I would do (I don't know if your DH would be open to this or not...). I would wait until 2 years (I believe in Japan they don't give any vaxes until age 2 because the immune system can't really do anything with them anyway until that age--there's a technical reason why but I don't remember it, so maybe he would go for that). I would also only give one dose at a time and wait as long as possible between each vax, preferably at least a month if not more. Also, do you have the option of giving only the vaxes that are required for school entry? This number is usually less than what the CDC or AAP recommend (can't remember which) and some vaxes aren't even required so you might have to do fewer vaxes if you can go that route. Good luck and I hope everything goes okay for your DC--I know that is a really tough position to be in.

Awww. Thank you guys for all the ideas! I'll try the postponing thing and maybe with the time my DH will change his mind... actually the school thing is not an issue, we are planning to homeshool. It's just that my family totally believes mainstream medical doctrines. The doctor says blahblah blah...

[Ambercrystal]

can you go to a dr. that will give a dead vaccination?

[Ambercrystal]

exzema could also be from chlorine in water. i would buy chlorine filters for shower and bath.

[Ambercrystal]

http://www.grasslandbeef.com/index.html

you can order grass fed meat and raw dairy to get delivered to all 50 states

[Ambercrystal]

Originally Posted by nicolena

i want to add kefir sodas for myself, but right now i'm only gving kefir to dh. he's about to change jobs (We're pretty sure), so i'm going to start him on scd when he'll have to interact with the fewest people. it is going to suck to be around him during die-off!

i'm thinking i may add kefir to the girls and me after we've been on scd for 2 monre months. (we've had it before and i think it gave the girls a rash, but now i think that's because i hgave them storebought with sugar in it.) i also want to buy some bottles to make soda--i already bought the ginger and the lime juice.

my face has been breaking out since the diet started almost. i thought it was because i stopped using some product that bliss labs convinced me i needed. then i thought perhaps it was stress. i don't know what it is, but i put a little coconut oil on this am and am interested in buying some big tubs noW!

i'm working on the water thing too, but i forget all the time. i used to drink SO much! now i'm afraid i drink too little. finding your own balance is such a hard job! but hopefully my girls won't have to go thru this themselves. i really wish i had somebody to tell me what to do every step of the way. i appreciate your guys being here.

now i need to stop a fight and the imminent destruction of a book.

i strongly believe in metabolic typing. it is not just the foods we eat, but the order that we eat them for optimal cell oxidation.

[TopazBlueMama]

Someone was asking about Mountain Rose Herbs coconut oil. I just ordered the Organic food grade virgin coconut oil from them-1 gallon for only 28.00! It tastes to me just as good as the other high quality coconut oils I have tried!

[Pattyla]

On the vax thing. Homeopathic Thuja is supposed to help with reactions. I would assume that giving it after a vax is a good idea even if there is no noticable reaction.

My dh was totally pro vax and I have slowly won him over to my side. It has taken time but basically I told him that unless he read what I had read I refused to consider his uninformed opinion. If he read it and came to a different conclusion we could talk about it. Well he read it and decided we need to do selective delayed vaxing. I have agreed to this although at this point she hasn't had any and I don't know when she will. I'm waiting till her blood brain barrier closes up at 3 ish at a minimum.

Actually I was pro-vax untill I realized that my Dr isn't. They have an anti-vax book in the waiting room that totally opened my eyes. Luckily it is easy to not vax with this family practice since they don't recomend vaxes anyhow.

I understand submission, I was raised in a very conservative denomination. I just don't agree that submission includes doing something that you beleive is harmful to your children (or to anyone else for that matter). I think you and he need to keep working on this to reach a compromise that you both can live with. The Cave book includes a delayed schedule that she recomends. All the vaxes are given, just in a way to minimize damage. What about following that? mama.

[Pattyla]

Oh I ordered the eat fat lose fat book and spent quite a long time looking up co stuff on the internet last night, but I'm not sure if what I read is correct or not. Can anyone give me a primer on co while I wait for the book? (free amazon shipping so who knows when it will arrive.)

Mostly I'm interested in dosing, getting started and ideas for dealing with die off.

[moonshine]

Here is the link to the thread with various avocado pudding recipes. avocado puddings I made the first one firefaery posted yesterday, which was the super yummy one. I made the one with banana and cocoa today, but the little bit I tasted isn't as good. Although DD said she liked it.

My stomach is enormas today. Not sure if this counts in the getting worse before better, or just not good.

[artisticat]

In EFLF on the Health and Recovery Diet she recommends 1-2 T in warm water or herbal tea before every meal.

[quelindo]

Originally Posted by JaneS

I really hope I'm not offending you and New Mama. Sometimes I have so little time to get my knowledge out there I trample on some people's feelings.

I am definitely not offended. I actually believe that in primitive societies it's probably healthy to eat animals/animal products -- part of the cycle of life, totally healthy and natural-fed animals. I just don't feel that eating those things in our society/culture today is healthy. So I'm open to different thinking on the subject...though I have to admit whenever one of you mentions "bone broth" I get seriously icked out, lol!

And I want to add how much I really appreciate you and everyone else taking the time to help me understand all this. You guys are great!

[Gale Force]

Another thing on submission, for things to be in their proper order under that religious framework, the woman submits to her husband and the husband submits to God. So, the question is not should you submit to your husband, but is God calling for this child to be vaccinated?

From this framework, perhaps you could talk about how God made our bodies to function and then engage in a discussion about how vaccines help or hinder God's design.

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by Gale Force

Another thing on submission, for things to be in their proper order under that religious framework, the woman submits to her husband and the husband submits to God. So, the question is not should you submit to your husband, but is God calling for this child to be vaccinated?

From this framework, perhaps you could talk about how God made our bodies to function and then engage in a discussion about how vaccines help or hinder God's design.

Any ideas on how I could apply this logic to circumcision (or not circumcising)? I tried telling DH they don't do it the same way today as they do in the Bible and he wasn't impressed. I don't think he wants it as a religious thing, he just wants it done (who knows though as he won't discuss it at all other than to say he wants it done).