Healing the Gut Tribe ~ May - Page 2

[Annikate]

Re: CLO
Patty, Jane, anybody???

How does this stack up with what the WAP foundation says about how much a nursing mom should take? I take one packet a day. Should I be taking more?

[Annikate]

A little OT:
Just got the book N&PD and plan on reading it while on vacation!

[Gale Force]

Originally Posted by Annikate

Re: CLO
Patty, Jane, anybody???

How does this stack up with what the WAP foundation says about how much a nursing mom should take? I take one packet a day. Should I be taking more?

DHA level is great, vit A and D are too low. Definitely finish the packet and then get a higher vitamin brand. I take Nordic Naturals because I take very high doses, so I am not sure what people take who just take a regular dose.

[Pattyla]

I give this one to dd some. Ideally she should be getting 3-5 packets a day of this. I also give her the carlsons though and that has higher vitamins. For a nursing mom you should be getting 15 to 20 packets a day for the right ammount of vitamin A and D. I got the ice blue clo and take 1 tbsp a day (equal to the vitamin A in that entire box)

[bubbles]

Thanks for all the info on the hair testing. I saw the specific hair test for leaky gut and wondered how it worked. It makes more sense to me.
Thanks also for additional info/support/encouragement on enzymes. I bookmarked the site and am reading as I have time. It is really helping me to choose what I need. I think I will go ahead and do the muscle testing just because my cs therapist will do it for free when I take my little guy in for some work. I'll have her do him too just for the heck of it.

Sybil-just starting on the journey for acne and intestinal issues. Contemplating SCD (ordered the book) but seeing some improvement w/ eliminating some grains and sugar.

[caedmyn]

subbing...

How do you afford to take the recommended amount of CLO? I take 1 tsp/day of the Blue Ice high vitamin, which is about 1/2 of what I'm supposed to take, but that stuff is just too expensive, especially since I'm taking a bunch of other expensive supplements (enzymes, probiotics, etc), too.

[sammysmammy]

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[bluets]

de-lurking for a moment

Originally Posted by firefaery

There really isn't a test for leaky gut. ..... <snip> .....

Great Smokies Lab offers a test for intestinal permeability/malabsorption and it tells you (a) if you have leaky gut and (b) if you have malabsorption (you can have both simultaneously). DirectLabs marks up the cost... I paid only $65 through my ND for this test (I don't recommend it for unpotty trained diaper-wearers as it involves urine collection over a 6-hour period). This appears to be a pretty standard test to determine the degree of intestinal permeability and seems to be the gold standard of tests - quite a number of studies in the scientific realm use this particular test.

Metametrix offers a test for dysbiosis which would seem to suggest leaky gut (if you're leaky, then you probably have dysbiosis, no?). This test looks at the gut microorganisms that are present in urine - presumably if you have a leaky gut, your gut critters will be floating willy nilly into your body where they don't typically reside.

most of the (western) science of intestinal permeability (IP) has to do with the effect of drugs on IP though some studies consider IP in relation to surgery or liver disorders. not surprisingly, not many (western) studies examine dysbiosis (or dysbacteriosis) - most of that research is from the USSR/Russia (does anybody here read Russian?!)/Eastern Europe. a good free article or three to read:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_DocSum

http://www.thorne.com/pdf/journal/2-...rmiability.pdf

http://www.thorne.com/pdf/journal/2-3/dysbiosis.pdf

as for why one has leaky gut... well, increased intestinal permeability is often linked with physical trauma from burns, surgery, hemorraghic shock and other physical trauma. i'm wondering when docs will consider labor to be physical trauma and look at how many mamas (and babes) have increased intestinal permeability after birth.

[Panserbjorne]

It looks like the urine test is pretty reliable! Good to know, and an easier test for sure.

[Annikate]

I'd bet though that if you *think* you've got leaky gut, you probably do.

[quelindo]

Firefaery, at the risk of sounding like an anxious newbie, lol -- do you remember how long it took after starting your regimen you noticed a positive difference in your skin? I'm just wondering if I should be giving this weeks or months or? Thanks.

[Kundalini-Mama]

Originally Posted by Gale Force

AmyD
I think you should consider that Metametrix electrocyte test which includes minerals and metals. I would start with you and include your son if you've got the cash.

Interesting. What are you thinking in regards to electrocytes? (Which I admittedly have never head of ) And where can I find this test, searching has come up empty.

[bluets]

Originally Posted by Annikate

I'd bet though that if you *think* you've got leaky gut, you probably do.

hee hee... i didn't think i did.... then i did the urine test and the ND was surprised in an odd excited sort of way...

[Pattyla]

I just suck it up and pay for it. I figure to get that much vitamin A I would be taking way more of a lower priced product (and I won't do really cheap fish oil cause I'm nervous about heavy metals). The carlsons I think I would need to take 10 or more a day. The Nordic naturals It was the entire box! Blue ice is way cheaper if you break it down like that. I wanna get better as quickly as I can. This diet is hard and expensive. If adding $20 a month to the bill gets us done several months faster I'm all for it.

We are considering going to one car for our family. Not something either of us is thrilled with but money has got to come from somewhere...

[caedmyn]

Does anyone know if Odwala or Naked 100% juices are SCD legal? I'd like to try making juice kefir (I know kefir's not legal) but am not sure what juice to use. It makes more sense to use a juice that actually needs to be refrigerated than a shelf stable ultra pasturized one. Plus I wouldn't mind having juice every once in a while for a treat.

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by Pattyla

I just suck it up and pay for it. I figure to get that much vitamin A I would be taking way more of a lower priced product (and I won't do really cheap fish oil cause I'm nervous about heavy metals). The carlsons I think I would need to take 10 or more a day. The Nordic naturals It was the entire box! Blue ice is way cheaper if you break it down like that. I wanna get better as quickly as I can. This diet is hard and expensive. If adding $20 a month to the bill gets us done several months faster I'm all for it.

We are considering going to one car for our family. Not something either of us is thrilled with but money has got to come from somewhere...

So are you planning on using less CLO once you are healed? I don't mind paying more if I can see an end in sight, but thinking of going through a couple of bottles a month for conceivably the next 5-7 years (until I'm doing having babies and nursing) is hard to swallow. And that would just be for me, not to mention how much I would need for DH if I can get him to take it, and for kids once they're old enough for it.

[Pattyla]

I will cut back on how much I take once we are healed but I will still take probably 2 tsp worth a day while I am pg/nursing. I just don't want to risk a future child going through this too. But I currently take 1 tbsp or more a day so that is cutting back. For your dh he should be taking 1 tsp a day of it. My dh won't take it cause he wants to save money. :eyeroll I feel much better when I take it. It seems to soothe my stomach pretty quickly so I rarely forget.

[Annikate]

Patty, where do you get yours & how much do you pay?

[Gale Force]

Originally Posted by AmyD

Interesting. What are you thinking in regards to electrocytes? (Which I admittedly have never head of ) And where can I find this test, searching has come up empty.

right here

And I noticed yesterday that Doctor's Data has an equivalent. It's a red blood cell test and one of the better tests for mineral levels. It's not the best for magnesium, but it's better than most. And magnesium is a bugger anyway.

[Pattyla]

I got it from greenpasture.org
I got the special 3 jars butter oil and 3 jars CLO It was a lot of money. If you get the clo by the case it is just 13.90 a jar. I think that is what I am going to do next time. DH has said I can't get the butter oil again.