Healing the Gut Tribe ~ May - Page 14

[Panserbjorne]

I wash my face with coconut oil daily, though have never left it on as a moisturizer. I have done really well using it with tamanu oil-not sure if I'd be brave enough to leave it on though!

[Kundalini-Mama]

Thanks for the ideas and support mamas

Sorry for the confusion, but we are just going to temporarily wean so that my older guy doesn't get the lactose from my breastmilk while we are trying to kill his yeast. Am I thinking this through wrong?

I've been a tad frustrated (to put it mildly) w/my homeopath. He is impossible to reach and only works, tues, wed and thurs. He is best reached through e-mail and hasn't been responding regularly. I just called into the surgeon and am waiting for her to call back so we can set up a time. We have had no luck finding my older son's constitutional. I don't really think my homeopath 'gets' what is going on w/his behavior (the reactions). He asked me the other day how he was doing w/the cat abuse, and I said, well, as long as he is not eating soy or gluten he is fine. I just don't think he gets it. FF, aren't you in New England? I know you love your homeopath.

Oh, we're going to buy some breathe rite strips tonight. I looked them up a while back and the smallest I saw was small adult, but I'm totally going to try them anyway.

And, yes, nursing is wicked uncomfortable, but not due to itchiness (which screams yeast), but it just feels wrong somehow. He was 4 in Feb, & since having #2, his latch, his mouth & even his suck is just wrong. It sucks as I can't wait for him to wean, but I know he is definately not ready to do so---hoping by 5, but not seeming likely.

Pattyla, how did the soap work out??

[EBG]

It's a little OT, but I would be interested how much Quercetin to take?
I have an Ester C (1000mg) with Quercetin (200mg) and I take it 2 times day. Is that enough? (to help with die-off)

[EBG]

Another question, one of my nipples is also mildly itchy sometimes when baby is nursing, is that a sign of thrush? I don't see any rash or anything. But I think I have systemic candida.
How do you intentify thrush in baby's mouth? She doesn't have cottage cheese stuff but her tongue is a little whitish, can it be from just breastmilk?
How do you treat it on the nipple and mouth? Will CO work?

[Kundalini-Mama]

Originally Posted by EBG

It's a little OT, but I would be interested how much Quercetin to take?
I have an Ester C (1000mg) with Quercetin (200mg) and I take it 2 times day. Is that enough? (to help with die-off)

Thanks for asking this, I forgot to ask myself I have a 4 yr old and a 17m old any ideas for dosage of the powder??

And totally, OT, it seems like we have a lot of 17m olds here

[quelindo]

AmyD, I just wanted to give you some virtual hugs...you're going through so much right now.

[Gale Force]

EBG -- yes, itching can be thrush. Shooting pains in your breast while nursing is a sign of systemic yeast.

In baby, the white spots are the most noticable sign. One common sign that people don't associate as much: baby latches and takes one or two sucks, then pulls off and screams.

There should be legions of threads on this issue in the BFing forum.

[quelindo]

Does anyone know if CO can cause digestive trouble in a BF baby if the mom takes too much of it to start with? I had maybe 2 tsp. of it yesterday, PLUS a ton of cookies made with CO as the fat, and my baby had a horrible time in the beginning of the night. I had a sore stomach and almost felt nauseated as well. Do you think my son felt that way from getting the CO through my BM?

I'm going to avoid the CO totally today and see what happens tonight. I've already cut down to one enzyme tablet.

It was so bad I was ALMOST thinking about letting him CIO...but I just don't think I could ever let him do that. The thought of him feeling like I did AND being abandoned... Sigh.

[EBG]

Originally Posted by Gale Force

EBG -- yes, itching can be thrush. Shooting pains in your breast while nursing is a sign of systemic yeast.

In baby, the white spots are the most noticable sign. One common sign that people don't associate as much: baby latches and takes one or two sucks, then pulls off and screams.

There should be legions of threads on this issue in the BFing forum.

Thanks! She doesn't do this and she has no white spots or patches, it's just an overall white coating.BF-ing is not painful at all.
I didn't have nipple itching before I started the diet, can it be from die-off? I'll check out the BF threads.

[Panserbjorne]

A white coating towards the back of the tongue is normal in a bf babe. It's when it creeps up and covers the tongue that it is a real problem. The scratching can be die off-or an indication that the yeast is getting worse.

Amy-I am in NE and drive more than 2 hours to see him (and I'm doing it again tomorrow!)

[mamajessica]

AmyD, I don't know that weaning is the best idea. I would be concerned that he would feel lots of rejection in addition to all of the changes from doing the SCD. I really hope that your ND gets his act together or that you can find a new one. I feel sad for your ds too
NewMama, I also had a really really rough night with DD (16 mos) after having a high CO night. Maybe it is related, I just think that we have to go forward, yk?

[JaneS]

Is everyone doing the sleep issue/immune system homework that MT posted in the Nutrition/Immunology 101 thread?

I still haven't gotten to it

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by New Mama

Does anyone know if CO can cause digestive trouble in a BF baby if the mom takes too much of it to start with? I had maybe 2 tsp. of it yesterday, PLUS a ton of cookies made with CO as the fat, and my baby had a horrible time in the beginning of the night. I had a sore stomach and almost felt nauseated as well. Do you think my son felt that way from getting the CO through my BM?

I'm going to avoid the CO totally today and see what happens tonight. I've already cut down to one enzyme tablet.

It was so bad I was ALMOST thinking about letting him CIO...but I just don't think I could ever let him do that. The thought of him feeling like I did AND being abandoned... Sigh.

Yes, maybe but other flour, sugar cookie ingredients would have done all this for me and DS too.

I think cutting it and enzymes out and then starting slowly after a couple days would be your best bet.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by EBG

It's a little OT, but I would be interested how much Quercetin to take?
I have an Ester C (1000mg) with Quercetin (200mg) and I take it 2 times day. Is that enough? (to help with die-off)

Ester C is not a good form of vitamin C, it's been warned against. See "Sodium Ascorbate" thread around here somewhere.

Dosage for my DS for quercitin from ND was a lot: 250/mg once a day to start then twice a day.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by AmyD

Mamas, I'm coming back to this thread, to complain once again, I'm sorry, I just feel most connected to you guys

Let's see....my lil' guy, the one w/the sleep apnea and allergic nose and such. Well RAST test came back. No allergies whatsoever, environmental or food. In fact, his total IgE was 0 (or was that IgG--I forget). So his constant nightwaking seems to be structural in nature (I'm hoping not the tonsils or adnoids) so we are off to an ENT to see what the deal is. And probably off to surgery, again, for him. Poor lil' guy had surgery at 6w. At least I'll be able to get his umbilical hernia fixed at the same time. **sigh**

My big guy has been OUT OF FREAKIN' CONTROL. He is acting like he usually does when he is eating something he is allergic to. He is terrorizing our cats, b/c "likes to hurt them" and today at the mall, he shoplifted. I swear to god, this child is going to be the death of me. We had to do the whole riot act in the mall security office, and the cop was like, "well it seems like he must have picked this up somewhere...." implying that my son must have saw me shoplift at some point. Note to self, do not take children w/you during petty theft. AND we got the results back from his allergy tests.

Back in the day when we got him tested, he barely tested, his levels were 0/1 for corn, peanuts and carrots. We cut it out and he was fantastic. The cat abuse stopped, the incessant jumping on the bed stopped (which is happening now), and his red ring around his anus went away and eczema. Then, of course, he became 'reactive' to something else, and we cut it out, and then something else bothered him and something else, and on and on and on until I had 35-40 foods cut out of my diet and his. Sounds very leaky, no?

Anywho, he tested 0/1 for chocolate, coconut, and egg whites. 1 for honey and rice (and honey bees), and 2 for dogs. So, this is what I'm thinking: he is not getting enough enzymes and the coconut and egg whites and honey (we're not eating chocolate ) are slipping through the holes in the gut causing a reaction and barely measuring as an IgG reaction---does this make sense to anyone else?

And I just ordered the quercetin powder for both boys to start. I'm going to step up the EVCO, probiotics (GoL), and enzymes for my big guy and add the quercetin. We're also going to go back to the beginning w/him and cut out honey and fruits to kill this damn yeast. And we are going to stop nursing while this is going on. Sounds like a plan, no?

Oh, and back to my lil' guy. So I said it seems like a structural issue as he is testing absolutely positively negative, right? Well since it has been 4 yrs since I had a taste of peanut butter, I had some It was heavenly. We made the PB brownies in the SCD w/the coconut creme concentrate/honey icing recipe (thanks ) and that night, my lil' guy is stuffed up worse than ever, copious white and thick snot. Some of it clear, constantly running. So I didn't take any enzymes before I had some PB, so I'm hoping that it was just PB that snuck through *my* leaky gut and caused a reaction in him. Any thoughts on that one? Oh, and we are going back to cranial sacral b/c it seemed to be working.

I'm doing great actually, except that I'm totally and chronically sleep deprived, but as I've been reading here, it seems like I'm not alone Oh, and does anyone know why I am unable to sleep when the baby nurses? This makes no sense to me, I was able to pass out w/my older DS, but now I wake totally up and stay awake until he is done nursing Could this be some kind of deficiency or something? I take magnesium at night, but it doesn't seem to be helping. Last night I was up for a good 3 hrs while I was trying to sleep. Fun, no? Oh, but besides this (and sorry for the novel), I'm feeling great. No digestive stuff, nothing. About to step up on the EVCO for myself---oh, is that rose mtn herbs or whathaveyou a good deal at $25 or $28?? Is it good quality?? AND, I'm going to schedule surgery to get my lumpy bumpy out as the homeopathy has kind of stalled. I'm feeling really good about this.

Please feel free to vent here!
(That goes for everyone else too.)
It's a big long thread but too bad, we all need to belong somewhere.

Does your little one have a deviated septum that could be blocking his passages? (which by the way I just read in WAPF newsletter was vitamin A deficiency related too, I know you think I'm nuts but I think this stuff is fascinating.)

I know less than nothing about allergies so just offer sympathy.

All the behavioral issues you are seeing in older DS can indeed be related to gut health. I personally know this only too well for myself and DS. Have you tried enzymes between meals? What enzymes are you using? Do you know for sure it's yeast and not bacterial? (sorry, I forget who has what)

For us fruits are always more of a problem than honey, b/c the fructose and the cell walls of the fruit.

For me insomnia was gut related too. What kind of mag. are you taking and how much? Maybe you need more. How much CLO are you taking? That is excellent for central nervous system as well.

Try a sprinkle of vitamin C with every meal for the little one too.

Congrats on the nephew! And be sure to post back after ENT visit. Let us know when surgery day is.

[JaneS]

Mehera!

ARGH that sounds awful. I'm not sure what to say, it's so frustrating to have to backtrack isn't it. Maybe certain nuts don't at all agree with you. How are you feeling today?

[WuWei]

Amy, I know that this is OT, but the trust relationship with the homeopath is critical, imo. It is precisely the attention to detail and attunement to the significance of issues in your and your son's lives which makes proper proscribing possible. We are all on classical homeopathy and it is due to our ability to openly discuss and be listened to that helps us to be on the right remedies. The remedy does change and become more specific to the underlying issues as we have had an on-going relationship over 2.5 years with her.

I would voice my concerns to the homeopath, or perhaps consider a new homeopath. We love ours. I believe strongly in the benefits of classical homeopathy, especially with all that you sound like you are experiencing.

Ds might try some rescue remedy or elm if ds needs something during any weaning hiatus. Or, for you if you contine to nurse uncomfortably. Personally, I'd follow his lead about whether he is ready to wean, with all the stressors in your lives at this point. Avoiding the soy and gluten sounds hard enough, without the comfort of nursing (for him). Have you discussed your discomfort with ds's latch with the homeopath? Often, these types of physical sensory issues are HUGE variables in remedy selection. Same with any oral changes or increase nursing needs of ds's.

I couldn't find the Nutrition/Immunology 101. Could someone point me in that direction? Is it in Health and Healing? I didn't see it. Maybe post a link????

Best wishes, Pat

[chasmyn]

Help!

I made a new pot of chicken soup yesterday and added mushrooms to it (yesterday was day 4 of the intro diet). The day before I changed the grape juice to white and added cider (had only had grape before).

Last night DS would NOT stay asleep, kept waking to nurse and then at 4 am woke up to play! He usually nurses a few times a night and wakes around 9.

What happened? Was it the mushrooms? Was it that I ran out of my magnesium the day before? Could it have REALLY been the mushrooms?

I'm also thinking to see the cranial sacral doc, and...should I find a naturopath, or just keep chugging along on my own? I don't want to pay OOP unless it's really worth it, but I would like to figure out what he might be sensitive to so I can eliminate it.

He's 9 months old and has excema behind his ear. I've been adhering to the intro diet but feeding him a bit of fruit - is that dumb of me? He loves the yogurt and the gelatin, should I be having him stick to the SCD as well?

Help! Every step brings more questions!

[chasmyn]

Originally Posted by scubamama

I couldn't find the Nutrition/Immunology 101. Could someone point me in that direction? Is it in Health and Healing? I didn't see it. Maybe post a link????

Best wishes, Pat

It's in the vaccines forum, it's a sticky.

[~Shanna~]

Originally Posted by chasmyn

What happened? Was it the mushrooms? Was it that I ran out of my magnesium the day before? Could it have REALLY been the mushrooms?

I am completely not qualified to give the in-dept advice that you'll probably get from the other ladies. However, I will add that my paternal grandmother absolutely could not eat mushrooms because they gave her such horrendous gas (I know, I know, TMI. Imagine how I felt when she told me ) Anyway, it was the first time I had ever really look at mushrooms as possibly being rough on digestion. But mushrooms are a stage 2 SCD, aren't they? If you just came off Intro, it might be a good idea to backtrack to intro for a day or so, or at least go back to stage 1?