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post #121 of 287
I would not have a problem staying friends with someone who chose to circ for religious reasons.

But ppl who choose RIC for their children? Not so much. I tend to be pretty judgmental, and assume people are stupid if they circ their boys.

I can sympathize with not knowing the options, but nobody I know would have to make the choice without hearing the pro-intact side of the argument.
post #122 of 287
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Originally Posted by Pandora114
That's because they sell the foreskins to cosmetic and biotech companies and make back their "loss"
Still seems like they could charge much more. Aren't they all about making tons?

Anyway - I agree - It's not about charging for it. It's that it should be illegal. It shouldn't be an available choice. I wonder if I could pay to have my newborn's earlobe cut off just because?
post #123 of 287
I think it's just evidence of the lack of value our society assigns to the foreskin. It's viewed and treated as nothing more than a skin tag that gets sliced away.
post #124 of 287
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Originally Posted by Dragonfly
I think it's just evidence of the lack of value our society assigns to the foreskin. It's viewed and treated as nothing more than a skin tag that gets sliced away.
Oh - so true! And so sad!
post #125 of 287
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Originally Posted by Dragonfly
I think it's just evidence of the lack of value our society assigns to the foreskin. It's viewed and treated as nothing more than a skin tag that gets sliced away.
Still........$200 times 5 or 6 an hour..........adds up to pretty big bucks for the doc. The nurses get the boys ready in "assembly line" style, unfortunately.
post #126 of 287
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Originally Posted by A&A
Still........$200 times 5 or 6 an hour..........adds up to pretty big bucks for the doc. The nurses get the boys ready in "assembly line" style, unfortunately.
Yeah, and what does a birth cost out of pocket - in the neighborhood of $3000? So a doc can make 10% of the fee for the entire pregnancy and delivery in about 15 minutes.

What I think needs to happen is some MAJOR lawsuits for failure to get informed consent that would drive up the cost of liability insurance. If ob/gyns had to pay through the nose for liability insurance for circs, you can bet they'd stop doing them right quick.
post #127 of 287
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Originally Posted by A&A
Still........$200 times 5 or 6 an hour..........adds up to pretty big bucks for the doc. The nurses get the boys ready in "assembly line" style, unfortunately.
Wowsers - are they that fast? Do they do all the boys in one room? That's freaky!
post #128 of 287
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i do think that they have all the boys in one room. just line them up and do each one and the nurses prep and clean up.
post #129 of 287
Deciding to circ doen't mean that the parents are bad parents. I would wait and see if they are mean, completely irresponsible people. who have no judgement whatsoever then I would consider ending a friendship. Not on the sole basis of circumsision. That's harsh IMHO
post #130 of 287

Flip side = our responsibility

I think the flip side of this discussion is that it's our responsibility to inform our friends and acquaintances. If we hold back because of shyness or embarrassment at bringing the subject up - well, then, we're partly culpable for not doing something to pierce the veil of secrecy and ignorance that surrounds circumcision.

Maybe this goes without saying to this crowd. It wouldn't be right to cut someone out of my life if I hadn't given her everything necessary to make the right decision. (And yes, for me, there is only one right decision - not to circumcise. That's the only decision that's right for the baby, whose body it is.)
post #131 of 287
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Originally Posted by Christi
Deciding to circ doen't mean that the parents are bad parents. I would wait and see if they are mean, completely irresponsible people. who have no judgement whatsoever then I would consider ending a friendship. Not on the sole basis of circumsision. That's harsh IMHO
I guess I'm harsh. I think deciding to circumcise, after being informed of the facts, is both mean and completely irresponsible.

I also couldn't be good friends with someone who hit their children.

Both show lack of respect for and sub-human treatment of children. And, again, I think being able to do that is evidence of a huge divide between my life choices and theirs. Some divides are traversable. For example, I can be friends with smokers even though I think smoking is dangerous and irresponsible (though I don't want them smoking around me). I can be friends with people who have different politics. People who think it's okay to treat their children as chattel, I just can't.
post #132 of 287
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Originally Posted by OnTheBrink
Wowsers - are they that fast? Do they do all the boys in one room? That's freaky!
Yeah, they line them up on as many circumstrainst as they have. The doctor usually gets them all clamped (if they're using the gomco), then goes back to the first baby and finishes up one by one and the nurses do the unstrapping, cleaning, and bandaging.
post #133 of 287

???

You would really not want to be friends with someone just because you believe in 2 different things?? Who in the world says that your opinion is right? and who says hers is? That's absurd to not want to be friends with someone over that... this has been a procedure for a very long time and lots and lots of people do it. That doesn't mean you can't be friends with them. Maybe you think its wrong, but some people things it's right and you can't judge someone just because of their beliefs. My gosh some people are so petty. I wouldn't want you to be my friend anyways
post #134 of 287
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Originally Posted by Lula's Mom
He had his son circumcised- in the hospital- for "religious reasons". He's Catholic. If I see anyone who remotely resembles him, or hear his name, I feel revolted.
This may have been covered already, but I had to comment on this. Being Catholic is NOT a reason to circ. Catholics are NOT advised to circ. I had a loooooooong discussion with our priest about this and that is sooooo not true. Sounds like not only is he unaware of why not to circ, he's also not very up on his own religion.

Off to read the rest.
post #135 of 287
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Originally Posted by tayndrewsmama
This may have been covered already, but I had to comment on this. Being Catholic is NOT a reason to circ. Catholics are NOT advised to circ. I had a loooooooong discussion with our priest about this and that is sooooo not true. Sounds like not only is he unaware of why not to circ, he's also not very up on his own religion.

Off to read the rest.
Yep. Catholics Against Circumcision explains how circumcision is against the moral law.

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The Catechism of the Catholic Church states, "Except when performed for strictly therapeutic medical reasons, directly
intended amputations, mutilations and sterilizations performed on innocent persons are against moral law" (N. 2297)
post #136 of 287
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Originally Posted by SCC703
You would really not want to be friends with someone just because you believe in 2 different things?? Who in the world says that your opinion is right? and who says hers is? That's absurd to not want to be friends with someone over that... this has been a procedure for a very long time and lots and lots of people do it. That doesn't mean you can't be friends with them. Maybe you think its wrong, but some people things it's right and you can't judge someone just because of their beliefs. My gosh some people are so petty. I wouldn't want you to be my friend anyways
Tell you what, read through this website: www.oknocirc.blogspot.com and then if you're still not convinced watch this video www.intact.ca and then see whether your opinion is changed.
post #137 of 287
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Originally Posted by tayndrewsmama
This may have been covered already, but I had to comment on this. Being Catholic is NOT a reason to circ. Catholics are NOT advised to circ. I had a loooooooong discussion with our priest about this and that is sooooo not true. Sounds like not only is he unaware of why not to circ, he's also not very up on his own religion.

Off to read the rest.
You're right. At first I gave him general why-intact-is-better info. I kept telling him I was here with answers to any concerns he had, if he would just let me know where his head was at. He made some vague reference to his religion, and I told him that I was delighted to inform him that he was not obligated to circ his son, that in fact he should not! I came here and gathered all manner of references to prove that to him.

Awhile later he responded that he had consulted 3 doctors, one a urologist who told them it was "better to have it done now than later". (Nevermind the fact that I had told him to be wary of doctors, and sent him the Doctors Opposing Circumcision link.) He also said he had talked to his priest. He told me "My religion does prefer that the males be circumcised." WTF? A case of the PRIEST not being up on his own religion? I don't know, but I knew at that point it was a lost cause.
post #138 of 287
He could have been lying about the priest (and the doctors, for that matter). It sounds like he was gonna circ no matter what information you gave him. At least you tried, mama.
post #139 of 287
SCC703, I understand how someone unfamiliar with this controversy- someone who might not even know there IS a controversy- might take that view. I urge you to read, read, read on this issue, here in the forum! Many of us were similarly ignorant at one time. But now that we understand circumcision thoroughly, we are vehemently opposed to it. Just because something has been done for a long time, to millions of helpless babies, does not make it OK. It's so not OK.
post #140 of 287
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Originally Posted by Quirky
He could have been lying about the priest (and the doctors, for that matter). It sounds like he was gonna circ no matter what information you gave him. At least you tried, mama.
: My thoughts exactly. You did the best you could. Some people just have their mind set and there's no changing it.
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