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post #222 of 328
I knew you weren't Michelle--I just always hear stories like that being told in defence of not wearing seatbelts-kwim?
I think he could have, our bodies in shock are truley amazing. I attended an accident once where lightening had hit a tree and the tree had falled and crushed the passenger side of a car. This man LIFTED the tree off his wife. When we got him to the hospital he had 3 spinal fractures, 2 skull fractures and his spleen had basically exploded (probably when he was lifting the tree) He died shortly after arriving at hospital, but for that few moments after the crash he was capable of anything.
post #223 of 328
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Originally Posted by Yooper
To some people, lugging two toddlers, two carseats, groceries, diaper bag, umbrella, and a purse to get some food is unreasonable. And frankly I do not blame them.
Except lugging two carseats isn't a necessity. There are other options that lessen the risk. Taking alternative transport. Or carrying the portable vests linked to multiple times on this thread.

I'd be interested to know how many of you who ride with your children unsecured actually buckle yourselves up.
post #224 of 328
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post #225 of 328
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Originally Posted by Dragonfly
Except lugging two carseats isn't a necessity. There are other options that lessen the risk. Taking alternative transport. Or carrying the portable vests linked to multiple times on this thread.

I'd be interested to know how many of you who ride with your children unsecured actually buckle yourselves. up.
Well, as some people have mentioned, many do not know those exist. They have not been well tested and might do more harm than good for all we know like the Mighty Tight. But regardless, when you miss that bus and the options are waiting an hour in the rain with two toddlers for the next one or taking a 10 minute taxi ride without a carseat or vest you start to weigh the risks and make the decision you are comfortable with. That will vary from person to person.

I am in no way saying that people should not use carseats. I am not saying that it is OK with me to not put dd in a carseat. All I am saying is that I can see situations in which I understand the other side. And even though I am a huge advocate for carseat use, I am not going to tsk tsk people that are in truly difficult situations as if they could not possibly love thier children to put them in such "risk".
post #226 of 328
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Originally Posted by Yooper
And even though I am a huge advocate for carseat use, I am not going to tsk tsk people that are in truly difficult situations as if they could not possibly love thier children to put them in such "risk".
ITA with this.
post #227 of 328
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Originally Posted by sjkmaurice
I wonder if being in a car accident before and even without our children makes some of us more wary about it than others.
I was wondering the same thing. Has anyone who chooses not to use a seat or buckle up ever been in a wreck? With or without their kids? I'd be curious to know the answer to this.
My worst wreck was being hit by an 18 wheeler who ran a stop sign probably only going about 20 mph. My oldest son was with me and my DH. I cry every time I think about what could have been the result if we had chosen at that moment to be un-buckled. As it turned out even at that slow speed we were all injured and in therapy for going on 2 years now. My oldest has a permanant brain injury as a result. Hell, I was a certified car seat tech before that wreck even happened. Our "accident" scene was investigated. And I was told in no uncertain terms that we would have been much more seriously injured had we not been properly restrained. So did restraints prevent all injury in our case? No. But it sure beat what would have been our alternative.

DC
post #228 of 328
I have a question for those of you discussing removing the baby from the carseat while you are driving.

How do you remove baby from the carseat while you are driving?
How do you nurse a baby while driving?


Or are you only doing this when someone else is driving? I am guessing that you are either already in the backseat or are climbing into the back while someone else is still driving.
post #229 of 328
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Originally Posted by dallaschildren
I was wondering the same thing. Has anyone who chooses not to use a seat or buckle up ever been in a wreck? With or without their kids? I'd be curious to know the answer to this.
My worst wreck was being hit by an 18 wheeler who ran a stop sign probably only going about 20 mph. My oldest son was with me and my DH. I cry every time I think about what could have been the result if we had chosen at that moment to be un-buckled. As it turned out even at that slow speed we were all injured and in therapy for going on 2 years now. My oldest has a permanant brain injury as a result. Hell, I was a certified car seat tech before that wreck even happened. Our "accident" scene was investigated. And I was told in no uncertain terms that we would have been much more seriously injured had we not been properly restrained. So did restraints prevent all injury in our case? No. But it sure beat what would have been our alternative.

DC

I don't know if you continued reading but, I did post that I have been in an accident and still make the decisions I make. I will re-post my response.


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And to other posters who have mentioned car accidents and having that be a determining factor on their views of car seats... I has in a car accident that tore off the whole back end of my car less than a block from my home about a year ago. If my DD had been in the car (which thankfully she wasn't) even if she had been in a carseat she would have died because it hit the side where her seat would have been. That accident resulted in me not having a car and using taxi's. My opinions on car seats have actually LOOSENED since then because I've had to live life from "the other side" by only being able to rely on public transportation and at first, I admit i was willing to wait the extra hour with my toddler at the bus stop, juggling groceries and chasing after her so she didn't run into the road simply because I missed the return bus ride. After too many near "dash into road" incidents, I opted to take the taxi minus the carseat and have since realized that while yes, carseats greatly reduce the risk of injury/death it by no means makes it a zero percent chance (like my car accident, there is no getting around the fact that my daughter would have died).
post #230 of 328
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Originally Posted by Yooper
All I am saying is that I can see situations in which I understand the other side. And even though I am a huge advocate for carseat use, I am not going to tsk tsk people that are in truly difficult situations as if they could not possibly love thier children to put them in such "risk".

post #231 of 328
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Originally Posted by Dragonfly
I'd be interested to know how many of you who ride with your children unsecured actually buckle yourselves. up.
I buckle myself up when in a car. ANd when DD goes in the taxi with us she sits on my or DH lap and is buckled up with us. So it isn't like we let her crawl all over the vehicle.:
post #232 of 328
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Originally Posted by Ambrose
I don't know if you continued reading but, I did post that I have been in an accident and still make the decisions I make. I will re-post my response.
Nope. I missed your response. Sorry you went through what you did. The semi that hit us hit the side where DS # 2 normally would be riding. He was at home with my mom at the time, so I can definately relate.

DC
post #233 of 328
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Originally Posted by dallaschildren
Nope. I missed your response. Sorry you went through what you did. The semi that hit us hit the side where DS # 2 normally would be riding. He was at home with my mom at the time, so I can definately relate.

DC
post #234 of 328
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Originally Posted by Ambrose
I buckle myself up when in a car. ANd when DD goes in the taxi with us she sits on my or DH lap and is buckled up with us. So it isn't like we let her crawl all over the vehicle.:
That's really scary - in a crash the seatbelt will cut right through her abdomen and the force of the crash will turn you or your husband into a crushing force that will kill your child
post #235 of 328
wow... I have read through the whole thread... took me a few days...

Anyways, I understand mostly everyone's POV here...

When ds#1 was born we lived near downtown Montreal and almost never used a car seat...
We didn't have a car and we took the bus and metro everywhere and there is no way to use a carseat cause there are no seatbelts... was I irresposible... I don't think so...
There were many times that we were offered rides and always declined. However, There were a few times that we got "stuck" on the other side of the city and had no real way to get home... (bus and metro stopped running because it was too late but we couldn't sleep over... bus and metro strike or metro failure etc...)
Since it is illegal to ride in a car without a carseat we would still refuse rides, but we would call a Taxi because it is legal here in Quebec to ride in a taxi without a carseat... (I even called the police station before the first time we did it)
We even found a way to strap the frame backpack we used for ds with the seatbelt and brought a "seatbelt lock"with us... (we did this a handful of times in 18 months), if we were without the frame backpack and I had ds in the sling he would either stay in the sling or sit between DH and I and use the middle lapbelt...

Of course some people may have chosen to leave the christmas party early even if it was the only chance you got to see family that came in from out of town and some people would rather walk 5 hours at -30 with a toddler on your back... but we decided to take the chance in a taxi...

When we moved from Montreal and got a car the carseat got a permenant place and we have never been without a carseat since then...
I have been stuck in traffic more then once now with a screaming baby... Because I am the sole driver and sometimes there just isn't a place to pull over, I have had to deal with a screaming cying baby... the only thing that I can do is talk, sinh and cry with them... if DH was with me he would sit in back and soothe babe to the best he could.... it broke my heart though...
During the time that ds#2 just really hated the carseat I stayed at home as much as I could... but in my small town you can't order groceries over the net so you do have to leave the house sometimes if you want to eat...

Anyways.... everything you do has risks... we have to be responsible for our actions... though I would never take a child out of a carseat in a moving vehicle since that is not in my comfort zone because I have the chance to use the carseat, I have been in a postion that I have had to use a taxi without a carseat... (and I had no idea that those harness things existed, or if they existed a few years ago, if I would have known though I would have bought one)

to the OP... I understand what you wanted to say... and this thread has a lot of great info...
post #236 of 328
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Originally Posted by Ambrose
I buckle myself up when in a car. ANd when DD goes in the taxi with us she sits on my or DH lap and is buckled up with us. So it isn't like we let her crawl all over the vehicle.:
It's actually more dangerous to double buckle like that than it is to leave her unbuckled. Put her next to you and use the other seat belt or just have her sit with you but please don't buckle over her like that!
post #237 of 328
I understand what you are saying and I don't think you are bad at all. I have never used a carseat on a bus, sometimes I used my stroller and lock it into the handicapped spot(if I can). I would rent carseats for when you are in North america or pick some up from the family servies. Maybe you could do some research and find out where to get them. If you are planning on using transit up here then there may not be a need. As for all the nasty comments I am sorry you got them. Some North Americans think their way of life is the only way of life :nana:
post #238 of 328
It would be much safer for *everybody* if more people simply used public transportation. We rarely hear this discussed in North America. For all of the pps who argued that they would "find a way" to cart car seats and toddlers around with them on their errands( keeping in mind that the op hadn't heard of portable car seats and they may or may not be available where she lives), why is a similar amount of energy not invested in finding a way to take public transportation everywhere you need to go thus making the roads safer for your children and everyone else's? A hassle, sure, but worth it for the number of lives that it would save, no?
post #239 of 328
You sound happy with what you are doing. I don't see a problem.
post #240 of 328
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Originally Posted by sharksmum
It would be much safer for *everybody* if more people simply used public transportation. We rarely hear this discussed in North America. For all of the pps who argued that they would "find a way" to cart car seats and toddlers around with them on their errands( keeping in mind that the op hadn't heard of portable car seats and they may or may not be available where she lives), why is a similar amount of energy not invested in finding a way to take public transportation everywhere you need to go thus making the roads safer for your children and everyone else's? A hassle, sure, but worth it for the number of lives that it would save, no?
Ha, I wish. I fully support public transportation and have tried to use it for years. However, it is just not practical where I live. It takes more than twice as long to get somewhere by train or bus, the schedules are limited (how many times have we read on this post about people having to take taxi's because the bus or train stopped running?), and they are certainly not convienient. I have to drive my car to the train station to get to it on time (bus takes forever and doesn't run on the same schedule), the train takes at least twice as long as it would if I had to drive, and to arrive at my destination I have to take at least another bus or two which takes even more time. Not to mention that if I want to be somewhere past a certain time I can't get back.

I know in other places it works much better, and I have used those systems when traveling, but here it just doesn't work, yet. Oh, and it can also be very expensive when you consider train and bus fares together.
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