smilie request -- hospital birth?

[MamaTaraX]

I see all the homebirth and home waterbirth smilies. What about ahospital birth one? Hear me out: Lots of pepole chose hospital birth and lots of people have positive ones (myself included). Some people have home and hospital births (myself included), maybe they'd like to point that out. Maybe a hospital-waterbirth one? or take one of the other birthy ones and just make it say "hosp"? I dunno, The thought just crossed my mind

Namaste, Tara

[OnTheBrink]

GREAT idea! I had two hospital births (but didn't plan to be there for either). That would be great!

[Pynki]

Um? What? Is this another case of know where you are?

Besides we have this smilie : which appears to be wearing hospital garb, so I would assume a hospital birth since no one I know wore a hair net for their homebirth.

[Calidris]

yeah, and what about smilies for public schooling and private schooling, since we have the home schooling one after all. And how about smilies for strollering and cribsleeping, we shouldn't be excluding all those poor mamas with bad backs or who just can't co-sleep. And the baby bottle smilie?

[Snowy Owl]

Pynki.... I thought that was a bonnet, not a hairnet!
And the waterbirth one doesn't specify home or hospital, so I don't see the point of that.... anyway, why would anyone want a hospital smilie when it is assumed that is what you had, as it is what most people have? Even here, right?

[Pynki]

HUH. You could be right Snowy. I always thought it was sperm+egg, multiply, push it out. YEAH~

[OnTheBrink]

Originally Posted by Calidris

yeah, and what about smilies for public schooling and private schooling, since we have the home schooling one after all.

Oh - that's a really good idea!

Um? What? Is this another case of know where you are?

What does that mean? That at MDC hospital birth is wrong?

And I think that smilie with the hat or whatever is a baby in a baby bonnet - not a hospital hair net. What hopitals use hair nets anyway? I've never seen that.

[Snowy Owl]

I think some hospitals use hairnets, or plastic hair thingies for sanitary reasons.

And I use a public school, but it would be really silly to want a public school smilie. People have homeschool smilies because it's *different*, it doesn't mean "better". Same with homebirth. It doesn't mean hospital birth is "wrong".

[Pynki]

MDC is supposed to be THE natural family living site. NOT The SORTA, KINDA, WHEN IT FITS INTO MY LIFESTYLE, AND DOESN'T CRAMP MY FLOW natural family living community.

There are very few places that support things like homebirth, UC, homeschooling. THOSE are things that Mothering Magazine in the past has stood for. Things it has espoused, and encouraged (Well maybe not the UC, but the others).

I don't want MDC to become baby center lite. MDC WAS about the other things people did. Not the mainstream. Not hospital births. I mean really. Why don't we have C/S smilies, or EPI smiles?

[OnTheBrink]

Are hospital births un-natural? always?

What about home births with interventions? cohosh? antibiotic IVs? pitocin after birth?

[Snowy Owl]

Good points, Pynki.
I don't think it is about bashing hospital births at all. I understand that people want smilies that represent them, but some things are kind of assumed, unless stated otherwise. I don't need a smilie that says "car driving, tap-water using, meat-eating, white lady"... like, who gives a crap?

[zavierchick]

Originally Posted by Snowy Owl

I think some hospitals use hairnets, or plastic hair thingies for sanitary reasons.

And I use a public school, but it would be really silly to want a public school smilie. People have homeschool smilies because it's *different*, it doesn't mean "better". Same with homebirth. It doesn't mean hospital birth is "wrong".

if it isn't "wrong" in some people's viewpoints, why the negative reactions to mamatara's suggestion here?

[zavierchick]

Originally Posted by Snowy Owl

Good points, Pynki.
I don't think it is about bashing hospital births at all. I understand that people want smilies that represent them, but some things are kind of assumed, unless stated otherwise. I don't need a smilie that says "car driving, tap-water using, meat-eating, white lady"... like, who gives a crap?

[nikirj]

LOL Pynki!

The point is, hospital birth does not need advocacy and is assumed to be the case where nothing else is specified. So I'm not seeing the need for a proud little smilie...about following the mainstream.

[Snowy Owl]

Originally Posted by OnTheBrink

Are hospital births un-natural? always?

You mean an unmedicated birth? You can say "unmedicated birth" but I don't know how that would be represented in a picture. A needle crossed out with a red line? That would work, I think. The focus then isn't on "hospital".

[artgoddess]

Originally Posted by OnTheBrink

What does that mean? That at MDC hospital birth is wrong?

I don't think she is saying that it is wrong. But look at the banner on the top of your screen, "The Natural Family Living Community". There is nothing natural about birthing in a Hospital. That is not meant to take away from the beauty and joy that comes with having a baby in any setting. But you might remember that there was a request some time ago for a C/S smile, and Cynthia, I believe, had some nice things to say but still rejected the idea. As well I believe she should have.

I don't fit perfectly into the NFL mold. But I love to come here, because I am learning. I think as buying Organic Produce and using natural products becomes more "vogue" there are many more women seeking out this information. And because of that here at MDC we have a wider variety of people. That has both it's advantages and disadvantages. The biggest disadvantage is that a woman like me, who comes here to learn (and goof off in TAO) have to filter through so much more crap in order to find the real natural family living info, that will help me.

I had a hospital birth. I planned it that way, I was too scared to even consider a homebirth. Now I had an extraordinary birth. One that I am sure many women would love the hear about. But I'm not ever posting my birth story here. It was a hospital birth, it's not the place for it. If I wanted to share the story I'd post it at one of the mainstream boards. Even when I was pregnant and I would tell people about my doula and our Bradley classes, people would say to me "oh so you'll have a natural childbirth." and I would say to them, "No, we are giving birth in a hospital, but my goal is an unmedicated birth."

We don't need Hospital Birth smiles, or Public School smiles or Stroller or bottle baby smiles. There are plenty of other boards out there where those would be appropriate, here is not the place.

[artgoddess]

Wow you ladies are fast, and I type slow. There were like 10 more replies while I typed out my long winded response above.

Yes, On The Brink, hospital births are Un-natural.

[Snowy Owl]

Originally Posted by zavierchick

if it isn't "wrong" in some people's viewpoints, why the negative reactions to mamatara's suggestion here?

I think other people have said it well already. And I think a lot of people are bothered by how Mothering is becoming less and less a NFL/AP place, when there are countless mainstream parenting sites out there already. Countless. Places where people think breastfeeding is "icky". Who wants to bring more of that attitude here?

[Snowy Owl]

Originally Posted by nikirj

LOL Pynki!

The point is, hospital birth does not need advocacy and is assumed to be the case where nothing else is specified.

Well, the thing about the unmedicated birth smilie has me thinking... I think advocating non-intervention in a hospital setting could be a good thing, as many women are forced to use hospitals when they would rather not. So a smilie that does this is much different than just an non-specific "hospital birth" smilie.

[nikirj]

Holy cow Snowy Owl, you said what I was going to say before I could say it twice now.

That is freaky. I think I love you.

Yeah, everything you said.