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post #1 of 25
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when i present links about why breastfeeding is the best there is always the topic of breastfed babies have a higher IQ. of course all the FF mommas jump my case saying that i am calling their babies dumb. how do you handle that? i want to say your baby is not dumb, you are! (ok that might be too mean)
post #2 of 25
my grandmother and mom keep telling me what a high iq my baby is going to have.

they said they see the signs now, he knows how to do so much. (talk on the phone, say many words, knows what EVERYTHING is for, loves to mimic people, etc) he knows how to do more than my nephew who is 2 weeks older than he is, and completely formula fed.

but they are not associating it with the fact that my baby is breastfed AT ALL. : my mom keeps saying, "well, all babies are different." which is very true. there are lot's of things she commends my baby about, how he's so smart, so friendly and well adjusted, never gets sick, etc. but she doesn't attribute none of that to the fact that i breastfeed.
post #3 of 25
The logic is that breastfeeding babies tend to be 8 points above the average while formula fed babies ARE the average. Studies don't show formula fed babies are 8 points below the average.
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post #5 of 25
Their babies aren't dumb, but without the breast milk they won't reach their full potential. They may be geniuses even on the formula, but with the bm they would have been even that little bit "smarter". And for a child on the lower end on the spectrum, those few points might make a lot of difference.
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post #7 of 25
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Originally Posted by gabysmom617
they said they see the signs now, he knows how to do so much. (talk on the phone, say many words, knows what EVERYTHING is for, loves to mimic people, etc) he knows how to do more than my nephew who is 2 weeks older than he is, and completely formula fed.
OK, I've got a bit of a sensitivity chip going with comments like this, so bear with me. My little guy is 20 months old today (and still nursing) and says about half a dozen words. I get miffed when I read statements where people imply that children who aren't speaking as many words aren't as smart. Please don't think that just because a child isn't speaking that he doesn't know what the words mean. Einstein did not speak until he was 3, nor did my lesser-known neighbor, who is an electrical engineer.
post #8 of 25
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Originally Posted by Calidris
Their babies aren't dumb, but without the breast milk they won't reach their full potential. They may be geniuses even on the formula, but with the bm they would have been even that little bit "smarter". And for a child on the lower end on the spectrum, those few points might make a lot of difference.
this is exactly how i phrased it when i was teaching bf classes.
post #9 of 25
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Originally Posted by Soxfan Mom
OK, I've got a bit of a sensitivity chip going with comments like this, so bear with me. My little guy is 20 months old today (and still nursing) and says about half a dozen words. I get miffed when I read statements where people imply that children who aren't speaking as many words aren't as smart. Please don't think that just because a child isn't speaking that he doesn't know what the words mean. Einstein did not speak until he was 3, nor did my lesser-known neighbor, who is an electrical engineer.
My mom was always very proud that I started to walk at 8 months. And I always respond "so what, who gives the sh*t?! Do I walk any better than anybody else?! NO". Same thing about speech. We all walk and talk in the end and who cares what ages we begin?! I’m very annoyed by my mom being so stressed that my baby won’t probably walk by his first birthday (which is in a week). Who cares?!

I wanted to ask you something. I’m pregnant and have been recently reading a lot of articles about ultrasounds/dopplers in prenatal care. One of the articles said that a group of kids with delayed speech was exposed to quite few u/s during pregnancy. I’m still thinking REALLY hard whether to have my 20 week u/s or to cancel it, so I just wanted to ask did you have quite few u/sounds by any chance when you were pregnant with your DS? It's not that I'd worry if my baby doesn't speak early, it's just I'm trying to find out if the fact that u/sounds may affect a baby in any way at all is really true.
Thanks,
Yulia.
post #10 of 25
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Originally Posted by Soxfan Mom
Einstein did not speak until he was 3, nor did my lesser-known neighbor, who is an electrical engineer.

I completely agree that later-than-usual speech development is not an indicator, either way, of I.Q., but I have to correct you on the Einstein thing. It is an urban legend so often repeated that people believe it's true, but family letters clearly indicate he began to speak when pretty much any other kid did and there was nothing particularly unusual about his development based on that one fact alone.
post #11 of 25
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Originally Posted by Yulia_R
I wanted to ask you something. I’m pregnant and have been recently reading a lot of articles about ultrasounds/dopplers in prenatal care. One of the articles said that a group of kids with delayed speech was exposed to quite few u/s during pregnancy. I’m still thinking REALLY hard whether to have my 20 week u/s or to cancel it, so I just wanted to ask did you have quite few u/sounds by any chance when you were pregnant with your DS? It's not that I'd worry if my baby doesn't speak early, it's just I'm trying to find out if the fact that u/sounds may affect a baby in any way at all is really true.
I had amnio, so there was a Level III involved in that. I don't think I had more u/s with him than I did with my girls, who talked "on schedule." I went two weeks postdates with him so I had non-stress tests every day, but that was the same case as DD2. I doubt this is any help to your decision. However, it seems like EVERYONE has a bunch of u/s now, so it must be hard to find a good control group for the study you referred to.

Aw geez, Charles, now you've made me sad. However, the story of my uber-smart neighbor is true!
post #12 of 25
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Originally Posted by Charles Baudelaire
I have to correct you on the Einstein thing. It is an urban legend so often repeated that people believe it's true, but family letters clearly indicate he began to speak when pretty much any other kid did and there was nothing particularly unusual about his development based on that one fact alone.
That's funny- there's a book about "the Einstein Syndrome" based on that story that he talked late!

My DD used sign language and a few of her own unique words until she was just past two and a half, at which point her vocabulary exploded (if not her pronounciation.) She is very bright. I wanted to chime in about ultrasound and doppler use- I don't trust the technology, and have avoided it carefully through both of my pregnancies. With DD, I only let our midwife use the doppler a couple of times during prenatals, and then several times during our (long) labor. And she was not officially diagnosed as having a delay, but she was well behind any other kids we knew, speech-wise. (now, ask about her physical and social skills, and it's a whole other story )
And I know kids born to moms with health problems, or who are twins, who had weekly ultrasounds throughout pregnancy, and they all seem fine. The trouble here is that we're still learning so much about how all of this stuff works, I don't think we even know how to assess the damage (if there is some) yet.
If you don't feel good about having an ultrasound, don't do it!

I mean, what would you do differently if the US told you something you
didn't know? Barbara Katz Rothman's book, The Tentative Pregnancy, has some fascinating thoughts on the subject of weighing your options with prenatal testing.
post #13 of 25
I have probs with my mil and the whole smarter bf babe thing....
My dd, now 15 mos, well she's not very vocal (she babbles alot but very few actual words). Her signing vocab just recently exploded and I am teaching her more and more signs and she's very good at communicating that way.
Now I deal with the comments about how I am hindering her from talking by doing the signs and that so-and-so was talking in sentences by the time they were 14 mos I just tell her that she's communicating clearly and that's the important thing. She knows the words but just cannot verbalize them yet so we will use the signs. Ugh some people!
post #14 of 25
Let's not confuse the law of averages with an individual outcome. Assuming that it's true, on average, BF babies are 8 IQ points higher than FF babies, that doesn't really say ANYTHING about a given baby, BF or FF. Your baby might have a 120 IQ and the FF baby might still have a 125 IQ.

Also, IQ tests tend to favor white middle-upper class people, who also BF more than FF.

My understanding of US is that babies with US tend to be left-handed more often, so there is some thought that it affects brain development in some way. The studies you are looking at with Multiple US are ones where there are several throughout the pregnancy, not just one at 20 weeks. In general the later the US, the better for the baby. I don't think one will hurt you, but on the other hand, what will be gained by the US? Peace of mind for the doctor? Do you have ANY reason to suspect trouble in development or delivery? Will anything be done differently as a result of the US? Is there some concrete actions that will take place based on the results of US? Or is it just - check to be sure everything is OK?
post #15 of 25
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Originally Posted by Soxfan Mom
OK, I've got a bit of a sensitivity chip going with comments like this, so bear with me. My little guy is 20 months old today (and still nursing) and says about half a dozen words. I get miffed when I read statements where people imply that children who aren't speaking as many words aren't as smart. Please don't think that just because a child isn't speaking that he doesn't know what the words mean. Einstein did not speak until he was 3, nor did my lesser-known neighbor, who is an electrical engineer.

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they said they see the signs now...
notice that I said THEY SEE THE SIGNS. not me.


(sorry, had to go and put my sleeping boob tick down)

but they are the ones who were taking my son speaking at 11 months old as a sign of intelligience. whether or not it actually is a sign of intelligience of not, I don't know, nor could i care less. my baby is still my baby.

but my point was is that even if they are right and even when they mention other things that i know are attributed to the goodness of breastmilk, they never give proper credit where credit is due....
post #16 of 25
I think it's a mistake to overemphasize the IQ benefits of breastfeeding. True, it's a selling point for some people we'll talk to--so when it's appropriate certainly, bring it up. But in general I don't think it's a good thing to emphasize because of the potential for misunderstandings and hurt feelings, and also because of the dubious nature of IQ tests to start with (as Ellien C pointed out.) And I hate to say it but 8 points on average isn't a huge difference. I am very certain that none of us here would be able to tell the difference between a person with a score of 100 and a person with a score of 108.
post #17 of 25
I agree. I don't bring it up at all when talking to already formula feeding moms. I mean, what's the point? They are already formula feeding, and it only serves to hurt their feelings.

.............but that doesn't mean we can't talk about it here, though.
post #18 of 25
One thing my dh has always asked me (and I've never had a good answer) is if bf babies have higher IQ's and parents with a higher education are more likely to bf, then how do we know there is causation between bf and IQ? I've told him about brain-building factors in milk btw.
post #19 of 25
I always hear about this but the only study I can recall reading about that mentioned the 8 IQ points was the one done about formula fed preemies vs. breastfed preemies. Since both groups were tube fed, they couldn't attribute the extra points to more nurturing.

Does anyone know about any studies of full-term infants, or would those all be problematic studies for one reason or the other?
post #20 of 25
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Originally Posted by gabysmom617
I agree. I don't bring it up at all when talking to already formula feeding moms. I mean, what's the point? They are already formula feeding, and it only serves to hurt their feelings.

.............but that doesn't mean we can't talk about it here, though.
Thank you. Especially if you really really wanted to BF, after BF 2 other babies and cannot BF your third, like what happened to me.

The reason I hang out here sometimes, is because although this last time, BF was not doable, I KNOW what it is like to be up all night, seeing the lactation specialist because the baby is not latching, and the utter joy when the baby finally "gets it". I fully support all BF legislation and always encourage others to at least give it a good try before giving in to formula.
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