Why not vax?

[jarynsmom06]

Hello all, I am new to this forum and a new mommy. My son was 5 weeks old yesterday. I am scheduled to go for his 2 months shots on the 19th. I was on a breastfeeding forum yesterday and I noticed the "no vax" sign. I have actually never heard of anyone not having their child vaccinated. I just wanted to see why people don't have them vaccinated and if there is a sight I can go to and research more about each vaccination..the pros and cons ect. I also noticed that a lot of you don't agree with circ. and I wanted to also get opinions on that. I did have my son circ. Thanks...

Proud new mommy to Jaryn : 4-16-06

[Pariah]

We didn't circ our son because a foreskin is not a birth defect. It is a normal, healthy, functioning body part (not prone to infection or being unclean or any of those other myths floating around). We don't vaccinate because it does not make sense to inject poisons into our bodies to make it healthy. There's a lot more to it then that, as you'll read in this forum, but that's the basic idea.

[mammom]

Everything Pariah said...

Also, I started reading about the actual illnesses that are supposed to be prevented by vaccinations and I learned that they are really not as bad as they are made out to be. If you eat healthfully and get enough sleep, and take care of yourself in general, you will get through these illnesses with few or no complications.

Also like Pariah said, there is more to it, but those are my general thoughts.

Welcome to the forum! I hope you stick around and learn with us!

Melissa

[ccasanova]

How I wish I could have been in your shoes after having my first and be on MDC. That way I could have learned all about so many things that I know now. Instead I am barely learning on the dangers of vaxing after having 4 children and having all the routine vax's up to this point. For myself, the reason for not wanting to continue vaxing is the possible very dangerous reactions that the vaccine could cause to my child. The modern medical model seems to have forgotten that our bodies come with immune systems and our bodies are built to fight off disease. Doctors nowadays seem to want to get rid of every single possible disease some way or another. what they don't think of is that, that would most likely be worse in the long run because everytime our body comes down with something our body is strengthened. if we never give our immune system that *exercise* when we do come in contact with a germ, our immune systems would probably be weaker and it would do more damage. Another thing I've been thinking of is, what is so wrong with getting the typical childhood diseases that will create lifelong natural immunity without those possible horrific reactions that can come with vax's? Like chicken pox for example. And lastly, some of the diseases that kids are routinely vaxed against are almost non existent. like polio I'm pretty sure. I don't have all the possible reactions memorized so I might not be matching them up right, but some vaccines have caused death, deafness, menengitis, tumors, neurological damage, among others if those above listed are not bad enough. And some of the stories I've read on affected children are so sad. They did not die a peaceful death. But instead a painful one. That is something that I am not willing to expose to my children to any longer. Another example of how ignorance is bliss. I never gave any thought to vaccines in the past. But now that I'm getting educated it is a very different story. There are many books on the subject. I'm currently reading The Vaccine Guide. there is a website www.cure-guide.com that has links to info on vaccines. But i'm sure you could also google and many will come back. Good luck with your search, I'm sure the info you read will probably blow your mind as it did mine, with just how awful some vaccine reactions have been.

[Mama Dragon]

I urge you not to vax until you've researched this. There is no disease that your child would get that could kill or harm him while you take your time and come to an informed decision. Which is the first "why" reason - none of the diseases that the vaccines are for are that bad. Many of the diseases were on the decline before vaccines ever came out, vaccines actually didn't do anything to reduce disease. Polio was on a heavy decline, thanks to proper sanitation of water, better sewage systems, better personal hygene, etc. The other reason is there are many chemicals, metals and toxins in vaccines. You may hear that mercury is no longer in vaccines, which is not true. It's still there in small amounts, and the old batches with the higher amounts are still being used in doctor's offices (they weren't recalled). There is also aluminum, which is linked to alzheimer's disease. Research the diseases, and the vaccine ingredients.

A couple sites: www.909shot.com www.thinktwice.com http://vaers.hhs.gov/

The last one is a government run website for listings of patient's adverse reactions to vaccines. You'll see if you spend any time there, that vaccines carry a lot of risk. But the diseases they prevent are not so risky.

[LavenderMae]

I'm against circ because it's a painful and unnecessary cosmetic surgery done on an unconsenting patient (the newborn boy). Also the foeskin is a functional part of the penis, it's there for a reason. Come on over to "the case against circumcision" to learn more!
I stopped vaxing when I researched vaxes to a point were I felt that the risks of vaxing outweighed any benifits (and I question there are any true benifits). Again start reading in this forum, there is a wealth of knowledge here!

[fareal]

Here is an easier way to search the VAERS database.

Here is one example search of reactions from children age 0 to 4 years from Jan 1, 2006 to March 31, 2006

[jarynsmom06]

Thank you all very much. I had actually never thought of not having him vaccinated but now I am thinking twice. My step-nephew has autism and his father thinks it has something to do withnthe vaccine. I am just really scared either way. I would hate for me not to vaccinate him and then he get something that I could have prevented but at the same time I don't want a side effect to be horrible...It's hard trying to decide what the right thing is sometimes...we preserved his cord blood in case it was ever needed, I would hate to do something to make him sick....ugh....I guess I better get used to it huh.....

[fareal]

Prepare yourself for the 19th, your next visit, if you are on the fence and considering not vaxing. Depending on your doc, you can be easily kicked off the fence and onto the pro-vax side and then regret it later. If you are seriously considering not vaccinating or postponing vaccinations until you have learned what you need to learn, be ready to hold that position no matter what your doctor says.

[fareal]

Same question recently asked, just ran across it..

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=455626

[Drummer's Wife]

If I were you I'd cancel the 2 month well baby check-up unless you have any health concerns. Please, please do not allow any more shots until you have fully researched this issue. I am kicking myself for not giving it much thought until I had my 3rd child. I just assumed it was what was best, so far from the truth IMO.

You say you worry about him getting something that could have been prevented by a shot but what exactly are you afraid of? Chicken pox? not a big deal Polio? not gonna happen. Hep B? does your baby have unprotected sex? no.

I started my research by learning as much as I could about each disease and each vaccine. There's no reason to rush to any decision, I have been learning about this for over a yr now, I would have deeply regreted doing any shots when my baby was born considering what I know now.

Good luck on this journey.... Maybe ask yourself "why vax?"

[lovebug]

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[Butter]

Circ - Why have cosmetic surgery performed on a newborn? There is no medical reason to have it done routinely right after birth.

Vax - My daughter almost died from her four month shots.

[JBaxter]

We stopped Vaxing had DH and I have come to an agreement that no further babies will be vax'd in our home ( THANKS LADIES)
Here is a link to all the "other" stuff in vaccines. Did you know MMR is made w/ human fetal tissue? REALLY FREAKED me out I also didnt know that there was formaldehyde & aluminum hydroxide in some vaccines that they INJECTED into my children. I so wish I had known sooner.
http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html
http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...ers/117/4/1028

[Ruthla]

Here's the simple version of "why not vaccinate:" Vaccines have not been proven safe, and they have not been proven effective.

Once you give a vaccine, you can't take it out later, and permenant damage can be done. If you don't give a vaccine, you can always have it given later.

[spero]

Originally Posted by JBaxter

Did you know MMR is made w/ human fetal tissue?

Other vaxes made with aborted fetal cell lines:

Varivax (CP)
Vaqta & Havrix (Hep A)
Twinrix (Hep A & B)
MR VAX (measles-rubella)
Biavax II (mumps-rubella)
Meruvax II (rubella)
ProQuad (MMR + CP)
Poliovax
Imovax (Rabies)
Zostavax (Shingles)

And "new", as-yet-unmarketed vaxes for Ebola, Flu, HIV, and Smallpox.

[kamilla626]

I wished that I had taken the time to research vaxing earlier on. Unfortunately, I assumed that non-vaxing was a very extreme and uncommon decision. If I'd found this site a year earlier than I did, dd would have at least only gone through very selective and delayed vaxing.

We don't feel circumcision is a good idea for either sex, so she is also intact.

[arabian cowboy]

Hey there. I have a question that goes along the lines of the OP -- why not vax for Hep B? Sure, my kids don't have unprotected sex. BUT -- what about blood from another child or daycare provider or nursery worker getting on them? Or, like what happened to my friend in Corpus CHristi, Texas last month -- he stepped on a needle. A hypodermic needle. Had flip flops on but it went into his toe. His wife and DC were there. What if it had been the baby? Sure, it is rare, but it just seems like there *are* possibilities. So, do ya'll still advocate not getting the vaccine? I need some advice on this.

[mamakay]

Originally Posted by arabian cowboy

Hey there. I have a question that goes along the lines of the OP -- why not vax for Hep B? Sure, my kids don't have unprotected sex. BUT -- what about blood from another child or daycare provider or nursery worker getting on them? Or, like what happened to my friend in Corpus CHristi, Texas last month -- he stepped on a needle. A hypodermic needle. Had flip flops on but it went into his toe. His wife and DC were there. What if it had been the baby? Sure, it is rare, but it just seems like there *are* possibilities. So, do ya'll still advocate not getting the vaccine? I need some advice on this.

How often in the US do children catch Hep B from other children?
Or their daycare providers or nursery workers?

And even if your big fear is them stepping on a hypodermic needle at the park, isn't that more of an issue around toddlerhood and onwards? I mean, why vaccinate a newborn for it?
Isn't there immunoglobulin that can be given for possible exposures?

Now, let's think about the vax.
What's up with those cases of MS after Hep B vaccination?
Why is molecular mimicry implicated?
How well have the toxicities of the adjuvant been tested?
What have those studies shown?

[~member~]

Originally Posted by jarynsmom06

Thank you all very much. I had actually never thought of not having him vaccinated but now I am thinking twice. My step-nephew has autism and his father thinks it has something to do withnthe vaccine. I am just really scared either way. I would hate for me not to vaccinate him and then he get something that I could have prevented but at the same time I don't want a side effect to be horrible...It's hard trying to decide what the right thing is sometimes...we preserved his cord blood in case it was ever needed, I would hate to do something to make him sick....ugh....I guess I better get used to it huh.....

The only way to prevent disease is to never come in contact. It is a lie that vaccines prevent disease. they are already injecting the disease/shell of the disease and infecting you. They are relying on your body to create immunity. It is the same as if you went out and sought the natural disease, only, with the vaccine you are putting your child at risk for neurological damage, cancer, sterility, etc.