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post #21 of 31
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Originally Posted by arabian cowboy
Hey there. I have a question that goes along the lines of the OP -- why not vax for Hep B? Sure, my kids don't have unprotected sex. BUT -- what about blood from another child or daycare provider or nursery worker getting on them? Or, like what happened to my friend in Corpus CHristi, Texas last month -- he stepped on a needle. A hypodermic needle. Had flip flops on but it went into his toe. His wife and DC were there. What if it had been the baby? Sure, it is rare, but it just seems like there *are* possibilities. So, do ya'll still advocate not getting the vaccine? I need some advice on this.
OTOH, my daughter's diabetes may well have been caused by the Hep B vax (and others).

I look at the rise in juvenile-onset diabetes (once unheard of before the teenaged years) as the recommended vax schedule has become ever more packed, and I say - Yes, I still advocate not getting the vaccine. Wholeheartedly.
post #22 of 31
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Originally Posted by arabian cowboy
Hey there. I have a question that goes along the lines of the OP -- why not vax for Hep B?
Hep B Vaccine
These are just a few of the adverse reactions.
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Nervous System: Migraine; syncope; paresis; neuropathy including hypoesthesia, paresthesia, Guillain-Barré syndrome and Bell’s palsy, transverse myelitis; optic neuritis; multiple sclerosis; seizures. Hematologic: Thrombocytopenia.
post #23 of 31
I love you all! It is so nice to see so many people researching the adverse effects of vaccination and educating themselves on the issues. Vaccines are dangerous and I don't plan on sticking any in my son. Our pediatrician, luckily is supportive of our viewpoint and will not even recommend any vaccination until 1 yr. of age.
post #24 of 31
Here is my take on vaccines -
I got all my info from the CDC website. I figured, if the most pro-vax website out there could not convince me, then they were not something I wanted to do.

What it comes down to, is this:
I don't know whether or not vaccines prevent disease - but the diseases they do "prevent" either are not very severe, or are so incredibly rare, it doesn't matter.

Say...the DTP shot.
Diptheria - how many people got diptheria in the US in 2003? (This was the last year they had info for when I was researching..)
Answer - there were 2 POSSIBLE cases in the entire US. The people were fully recovered before they could even determine if it was Diptheria or not. So...I am not worried about Diptheria.

Tetanus - in order to get Tetanus, you have to have a puncture wound, that does not get cleaned, nor exposed to oxygen, and the wound has to have the Tetanus germs in it. (Usually only found in areas where there is cow poop in the soil.) And even IF that happened, you can still get vaccinated for Tetanus AFTER you are exposed. So, no need to bother with this one until after you are out in a farm field and step on a rusty something and don't feel like cleaning the wound.
post #25 of 31
circ-my son spent his first month of life screaming whenever he peed just a bit...whenever he poo'd...whenever he was bathed and whenever he had a diaper change. b/cuz he was circ. then he had colic and screamed daily for 4-6 hrs a day up until he was almost 5 months old. maybe its not the *best* reason but I do NOT want to go through that again.

vax-my son slept after his vaxes and I counted myself lucky. at his 2mos vaxes it was just a regular naptime 3 hrs. at his 4mos it was 8 hrs (not great but not terrifying either) at his 6mos appt and his last round of *shots* he was up for 1-2 hrs and down for 8hrs for FOUR DAYS STRAIGHT. I was terrified he would die. and for what? to *prevent* diseases that vaxed kids still get and that are supposed to be *caught* during childhood? no thanks. I'd rather not go through that again either. I would rather deal with the diseases as they come.
post #26 of 31
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Originally Posted by arabian cowboy
Hey there. I have a question that goes along the lines of the OP -- why not vax for Hep B? Sure, my kids don't have unprotected sex. BUT -- what about blood from another child or daycare provider or nursery worker getting on them? Or, like what happened to my friend in Corpus CHristi, Texas last month -- he stepped on a needle. A hypodermic needle. Had flip flops on but it went into his toe. His wife and DC were there. What if it had been the baby? Sure, it is rare, but it just seems like there *are* possibilities. So, do ya'll still advocate not getting the vaccine? I need some advice on this.
Where I live, hep b vax isn't even offered until age 12 and no one is concerned. Our children are not falling over with hep b.
post #27 of 31
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Hello all, I am new to this forum and a new mommy.
to the board. congrats on your new little guy.


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My son was 5 weeks old yesterday. I am scheduled to go for his 2 months shots on the 19th.
I wish that I had found out about this board before my first child's vaxes.

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I was on a breastfeeding forum yesterday and I noticed the "no vax" sign. I have actually never heard of anyone not having their child vaccinated.
I had heard just a little about it, but was made to think that only negligent parents would ever not vax their kids. boy was i wrong.

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I just wanted to see why people don't have them vaccinated and if there is a sight I can go to and research more about each vaccination..the pros and cons ect.
Both of my children have had "mild" reactions, and after my nephew's 4 months vaxes he died from sids. He was about a week older than my dd. As a CHristian, I am no religiously opposed to vaxing. God did not give us bodies that were lacking. We don't need formaldehyde, aluminum, or any of the host of other icky thigns injected into us to survive.

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I also noticed that a lot of you don't agree with circ. and I wanted to also get opinions on that. I did have my son circ. Thanks...
My son was also cut. It is one of a few things that I would change if i could go back in time, but i can't. I've moved on, and no future children of mine will be cut- whether they be girls or boys. Like the quote goes "when you know better, you do better."

My son was vaxed out of ignorance, and was circumcised out of ignorance. There is no medical organization in the world that advocates routine infant cutting. Why did you decide to have your child circ'ed? Just curious. What did the dr who did it have to say about it?
post #28 of 31
When I had my first child I didn't know anything about vaccinations. My midwife told me, in a vague sort of way, that I might want to research the subject, and that I could just put them off while I was looking into it. She gave me a Mothering magazine and I read an article about vaccination. That was enough to convince me to delay until my daughter was 2, and then revisit the issue.

At 2, she was the healthiest child I had ever known. She'd been so healthy that I really hadn't revisited the vax issue much; I just forgot about it. But I'd said I would look into at 2, so I did. It soon became clear to me that the diseases could be dealt with, in the unlikely event she was exposed. But the things that were in the vaccines made my blood run cold- others have already listed them. Formaldehyde, aluminum, mercury, bits and pieces of cows and chickens, aborted fetal cells... I was horrified, and SO glad that I had never let her be injected with any of that. Bottom line, I am really not scared even if she gets a "vax-preventable disease", but I am afraid of what the shots could do to my children. Ds is vax-free as well.

I did not circumcise my son because a foreskin is a wonderful thing! It's much better to have one than not. There was a time I didn't know that either. I am sorry- and sickened- that the doctors did not tell you there is no medical reason to circumcise. It is a painful, harmful procedure. Please read in the Case Against Circumcision forum to learn more. And... I don't know quite how to say this but, my sympathies in advance. What you learn will most likely make you very sad, and angry at the doctors and the culture who lead so many to believe they are doing the right thing for their sons.
post #29 of 31
to Jarynsmom: Your pediatrician will try to scare you into vaccinating, but the info they get is all from the drug companies, who now are the ones that conduct the tests on their own products!!! Also their bread and butter are the vaccines and well baby check ups which are unnecessary. . Check out www.donaldmiller.com for good, concise info, also robert Mendelsohn's book "how to raise a healthy child in spite of your doctor" and the book Vaccinations by Aviva Jill Romm.
post #30 of 31
Jarynsmom,

I'll post our story about vaccinations. I've posted it before, but it sums up our experience pretty well. I hope it helps you to understand as we were in your shoes once, as well!

We used to be like you. Not vaccinate? What kind of whacko doesn't care enough for their child (not even talking about society) to protect them from such horrible diseases??

Crunchy Granola Radicals, all of 'em. Probably only eat veggies and don't shave their legs... Certainly not "normal" people, like us.

I signed that consent form in the hospital when ds was a day old to ok his getting the HepB vax (because it is the law, stated the nurse). I never thought to even ask WHAT HepB was exactly. If "they" said he needed it, it must be okay, so........

We took our son in for his 2, 4 and 7 month exams (late on the 6 month because of weather concerns driving the 180 mile roundtrip to the office) like good parents are supposed to do. He was doing wonderfully, gaining weight and length ahead of schedule and breastfed like a champ from birth onward, no problems at all. He got his shots and I held back tears as he cried, accepting without questioning, this part of well-child checks.

I was never given a vaccine information sheet (VIS) or asked to sign a consent form at any of those visits. I was never told about any possible problems related to vaccinating. I never noted if the nurse noted the lot numbers on the records (why would I even think about such a thing). The shots were just given and I was told what they were for. I never asked why our son needed a shot for this or that, I never asked about what was in the vaccines or what about the diseases was so bad. I simply accepted, rather, no, completely blindly, the absolute knowledge the doctor has. They couldn't give out anything that wasn't completely safe, right?

And, so our son received 6 different vaccines at his well-child visit at the age of 7 months. OPV (oral polio vaccine, yup, it was still being used in 1999), HepB, DPT and Hib.

He had just passed, with flying colours (I was so proud), his physical exam. He was ahead of schedule on everything and the doctor was glowing. Though he was telling me we could start solids, I ignored this piece of advice with a smile, knowing we were going to hold off solids for awhile longer, based on personal feelings.

And so, the doctor left and the nurse came in, bearing her steel tray with various hypodermics on it. She gave him his oral dose of polio vaccine and then BAM-BAM-BAM, two shots in one thigh and one in the other.

His reaction was swift and frightening. Within 30 SECONDS of receiving these vaccines, he went into anaphalactic shock. Lost consciousnes, no blood pressure, blue-gray skin, stopped breathing.

They resusitated him with who-knows-what in more shots (the meds were never listed on the medical record, but then, neither was the reaction). A routine 20 minute well-baby check turned into several hours of fear. Our doctor simply said, "Don't worry, sometimes, these things happen. You have a fainter! He'll be fine."

I'd never heard of babies fainting from shots, but I knew that adults sometimes did, so maybe it happened with infants? And, what happened was certainly NOT fainting. But, good little person that I was, I didn't question the great and mighty doctor about his diagnosis.

We were finally allowed to leave, with the dark advice to stay in town for awhile longer and head to the ER if he had any additional symptoms... As though I needed to be instructed to do that.

Fortunately, for us, he recovered, though he slept all the way home (2 hour drive) and was fitful that night. In the long run, no lasting problems. He hasn't been vaxxed since.

Shortly after that, we mentioned what had happened to a friend. She said that it sounded like a vaccine reaction (we had never heard of such a thing). She pointed us in the direction of research, and we began our journey into the world of medical journals (ever hear of JAMA or Lancet?), the WHO, CDC and NIH websites. We read pharmaceutical journals and reference books (PDR). We spoke with other doctors (not much help, actually as they depend on the pharma reps for most of their info, and Docs only get about three hours of education on vaccines in med school), pharma reps (those guys are a joke, they are salesmen, nothing more) and even veterinarians (don't laugh, they ordered mercury removed from animal vaccines years ago!). We read books, magazines and scanned the Internet sites, pro-, anti-, and on-the-fence.

In the end, it was obvious as to what our choice was. The most natural one.

No more vaccinations, for any of us.

For us, it was an easy decision. No more poisons in our child. See, it isn't just mercury. It's the host of other KNOWN toxins and carcinogenic ingredients (aluminum, formaldehyde, anti-freeze, fetal stems cells, ANIMAL cells and more).

Diseases aren't the scary things they used to be. Better health (and, health care) and cleaner environments have much to do with this. Even the diseases that are routinely used to try to fear us into vaxxing are not as bad as they are made out. My parents are both 85. They remember polio epidemics that hit both coasts (Dad in the East, Mom out West) when they were kids and adults. Many of their friends contracted polio. But, you know what? None of their aquaintances suffered long-term effects. Many had polio and never even knew it. We have one friend that did contract it in Africa, in 1956. She spent some time in an iron lung (in Morocco, where the medical care was not the best). But, she survived and is fine today (a vital 83 year old).

I am 46. I had measles as a child. I had rubella, whooping cough, scarlet fever (NO vaccine for that one!), chicken pox and mumps, as well. So did all my siblings (there are 4 of us). We came through all of them fine. My dh had these same ones, save for the scarlet fever. Our parents had them, too.

Yes, ALL of us ARE continually bombarded with environmental hazards, as many like to remind us, pollution in so many forms, radiation, bacteria & viruses, the current administration...

Some of these hazards we can't control: we drive cars and buy groceries and live in a house and wear purchased clothes that are not necessarily 100% organic cotton (and we didn't vote for the guy in the White House)!

Some hazards we can: we live away from the cities in a rural area on a large parcel of land. We have a well that is 750' deep. We have it tested yearly and know what is and isn't in it. We live in an area of the country (in a rural setting) that is so free of air pollution as to say it is pure. We homeschool so as to give our son the best we can, educationally, environmentally and socially. We grow all our own fruit and veggies, organically. We eat free-range meat from a local rancher. We don't eat any fish (fresh or marine). We plant trees all over our property. We recycle and support environmentally-friendly organizations.

On some, we compromise: we have a computer and TV (though no reception) for use with the DVD and VCR. I wear a watch with a glow-in-the-dark face.

We are not in a bubble, however, nor is our son. Being homeschooled, he goes everywhere with me. He is exposed to disease in the environment everyday (as are all of us), including two attempts to "make" him catch chicken pox by exposing him to children that had it. No good, he remains "pox-less! He is now 6 1/2, and has had nothing more than a couple of sniffles in his life. His immune system is strong enough without the dubious "benefit" of vaccines.

Should he receive another of the vaccines he got at 7 months, we would probably lose him permanently. See, subsequent reactions are always worse. There is no way to test him as to which caused it. It was probably the pertussis component of the DTP, as that is the worst in the bunch.

We stopped well-child checks, as well, after his reaction. There didn't seem to be much point since he was not getting any vaccinations. Afterall, I was perfectly capable of measuring him and checking various sources to see how he was progressing. Happy to say, he's survived just fine without those journeys to see the all-powerful physicians!

We have been refused as potential patients be multiple physicians' offices because of our no-vax decision (even in light of it being MEDICAL in nature!). Other offices have said, we'd have to vaccinate, they'd just be ready for a reaction. Yeah, right........

I am not completely anti-mainstream medical, either. I appreciate them and KNOW they do a lot of good (they kept my late mother-in-law comfortable as she lay dying from lung cancer several years ago). But, like anything, I don't take them at face value.

We have had friends refuse to allow their vaccinated children play with our unvaccinated son. What are they afraid of? If vaccines work as well as they seem to believe, what's the problem???

You must remember, NO VACCINE IS 100% GUARANTEED EFFECTIVE OR SAFE. So, just because you were immunized, you could/can still contract a disease. It may allow you a milder case, but it is still the disease.

So, if you've read this far, I thank you! I wanted you to see that those of us that make this decision do so after MUCH research, and into areas of knowledge that go beyond one website.

We look behind the people that write the information and find out where THEY are coming from regarding this subject. Many of them have financial ties in the vaccine game, and, unless you look deeply, you will take anything they say at face value (paid for, thank you very much, by the pharma companies!). Push vaccines, get a paycheck.

I prefer MY information from a wider source, and ones less-biased.

So, ask questions, that's good! But, also, widen your research. And respect those of us that differ in what we say and do, we'll do the same in return.. We'll listen politely to you if you'll listen politely to us!

By the way, I guess I turned into one of those Crunch Granola Radicals! I breastfed until our son was 4 1/2 years old, we still co-sleep and we DO eat a lot of veggies.

However, I still shave my legs....

Leslie
post #31 of 31
Re: Grahamsmom98

What an amazing story! Very inspirational. I wish people like you could meet my sister-in-law. hah. Maybe someday I'll quit worrying about people thinking I'm a negligent parent, instead of so in love with my baby that I have researched this as much as I possibly can.

At any rate, bravo to you for writing all that out and sharing all your information!

Amy
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