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post #1 of 46
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I have a very good friend who is half Dutch half Egyptian. When my friend was fourteen, her mother took her to visit family in the Middle-East. During this vacation, she underwent the Sunna circumcision which about 97% of Egyptian girls undergo. Her father left all this to do with the clitoral hood to his wife. According to my friend her father had great reservations about the procedure but did not interfere. She tells me this in a very happy manner, as she is quite joyful her vulva does not look like "a rooster's comb". She touts the benefits for this sort of circumcision in a manner oddly analogous to the manner an American touts the benefits of male circumcision: fewer yeast infections, hygiene, and appearance.

Does anyone here have an internet link explaining the medical benefits of a Sunna circumcision?


Disclaimer: I'm not planning to circ myself. I am anti-circ regarding men or women. I'd simply like to compare the benefits of male circumcision to those of female circumcision, so that I may explain to some people that Americans view male circumcision in a very similar manner to how certain Islamic regions view female circumcision.
post #2 of 46
What is a Sunna circumcision?
post #3 of 46
Thread Starter 
Type I FGM
post #4 of 46
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Originally Posted by Lara vanÆsir
Type I FGM
I imagine that means the clitoral hood only. Correct?

Christopher
post #5 of 46
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Islay
I imagine that means the clitoral hood only. Correct?

Christopher
As a rule yes. However because I have come in contact with many women who have undergone Sunna circumcision, I've learned that in many cases the labia are also slimmed down. because the clitoris is not altered, it is still considered Type 1.


ETA: I pretty much have an idea about the benefits of Sunna circumcision, as I have worked abroad with many middle eastern doctors. However, I'd like to have it all in writing so I could use it to show someone here in Indiana about how Sunna circumcision is quite similar to male circumcision, and practically the same sort of justification is given for both. I'd find it myself, but my son and my daughter really aren't giving me much time to work with as the one is currently trying to tip over her bumbo-seat and the other is getting impatient waiting for his dinner and a diaper-change.
post #6 of 46
I'm not trying to slam you , but I think that is sick, any circ on anyone for any stupid reason is just sick!!
post #7 of 46
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ilovemy2ds
I'm not trying to slam you , but I think that is sick, any circ on anyone for any stupid reason is just sick!!
Yes, I agree. Like I said I am anit-circ.
post #8 of 46
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Originally Posted by Lara vanÆsir
Yes, I agree. Like I said I am anit-circ.
I know but just had to add my 2 cents
post #9 of 46
This is a post I composed previously for another board, that may be interesting/applicable here.

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Each and every part of the human body is susceptible to problems, regardless of age or gender. No part of the body is "immune", from our tips of our toes to the top of our heads. Bacteria, viruses, fungus, cancer...even our own immune systems can be the culprit.

It seems obvious that removal of the foreskin would prevent foreskin problems. No foreskin, no problem...right? The same would be true of any part of our bodies not required to sustain life.

I wanted to share with you some problems that may affect a woman's labia. The list seems to be significantly longer than any list of potential foreskin problems I've ever encountered. It would seem that labia have an enormous potential to cause various problems throughout a woman's life. In a previous thread, someone asked, (paraphrasing here), "What have your labia done for you lately?"

A brief googling revealed a few functions:
  • The labia majora enclose and protect the protect the other parts of her genitalia lying between them.
  • The labia minora lubricate the skin around the genitals and provide bactericidal secretions to help protect against infections.

Interestingly, the labia seem to provide some of the same functions for women that the foreskin provides for men.

Based on this list of potential problems involving the labia, should labial removal at birth be considered an acceptable parental choice? I'd venture to guess no special clamping devices would even need to be developed. A simple hemostat could be used to achieve hemostatis of each labia before excision.

After all, labia are just "ugly", "useless", "flaps" of "excess skin" that "get in the way" during sex and are prone to all sorts of embarassing and painful problems. Many adult women are choosing to have their labia reduced or removed; if it was done when they were newborns, they would heal faster and wouldn't remember it. Besides, I've heard of girls being teased in the locker room for having unusually thick/large/long labia, and I wouldn't want any daugher of mine to go through that. To top it all of, my friend's sister got a yeast infection and said her labia burned and itched horribly! Better to remove them now, rather than later.

NO LABIA, NO PROBLEM.


No labia=no risk of labial adhesions.

No labia=no risk of smegma or bacteria being 'harbored' in the folds between bathing.

No labia=no risk of labial irritation from candida (yeast) infection.

No labia=no risk of Bartholin's gland cysts of the labia.

No labia=no risk of cyst of the canal of Nuck (processus vaginalis peritonei) of the labia.

No labia=no risk of of mucous (dysontogenetic) cysts of the labia.

No labia=no risk of skene's duct cysts of of the labia.

No labia=no risk of epidermal inclusion cysts of the labia.

No labia=no risk of furunculosis of the labia.

No labia=no risk off varicosities of the labia.

No labia=no risk of lentigo of the labia.

No labia=no risk of nevi of the labia.

No labia=no risk of seborrheic or hyperkeratosis labia.

No labia=no risk of fibroepithelial polyps (acrochordon) of the labia.

No labia=no risk of papillomatosis of the labia.

No labia=no risk of fibroma/fibromyoma of the labia.

No labia=no risk of hidradenoma of the labia.

No labia=no risk of lipoma of the labia.

No labia=no risk of dermatofibroma of the labia.

No labia=no risk of hyper pigmentation of the labia.

No labia=no risk of Vulvodynia affecting the labia. (Less vulva=less vulvar pain.)

No labia=no risk of HSV infection of the labia.

No labia=no risk of Crohn's disease of the labia.

No labia=no risk of Behçet's Disease of the labia.

No labia=no risk of labial tears during intercourse or childbirth.

No labia=no risk of labial swelling after childbirth.

No labia=no risk of the labia 'getting in the way' of the penis and vaginal opening.

No labia=risk of of Vulvar Vestibulitis affecting the labia.

No labia=no risk of Condyloma Acuminata of the labia.

No labia=no risk of Herpes lesions of the labia.

No labia=no risk of Syphilis sores on the labia.

No labia=no risk of primary irritant dermatitis of the labia.

No labia=no risk of allergic dermatitis of the labia.

No labia=no risk of seborrheic dermatitis of the labia.

No labia=no risk of psoriasis of the labia.

No labia=no risk of hidradenitis suppurativa of the labia.

No labia=no risk of labial Intertrigo.

No labia=no risk of excoriation of the labia.

No labia=no risk of of Paget's Disease of the labia. (may require vulvectomy)

No labia=no risk of fissuring of the labia.

No labia=no risk of Lichen Sclerosus of the labia.

No labia=no risk of Lichen Planus of the labia.

No labia=no risk of eczema of the labia.

No labia=no risk of Squamous Cell Hyperplasia of the labia.

No labia=no risk of Vulvar Intraepithelial Neoplasm affecting the labia.

No labia=no risk of Vulvar Neoplasm-Melanoma affecting the labia.

No labia=no risk of basal cell carcinoma of the labia.

No labia=no risk of verrucous carcinoma of the labia.

No labia=no risk of sarcomas of the labia.

No labia= no risk of adenocarcinoma of the labia.

No labia=no risk of labial pruritus.

No labia=no risk of HIV entering through tears, abrasion, or sores on the labia.

(Many of these found here and here.)
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Jen
post #10 of 46
Wow! There are many possible benefits to FGM, aren't there? Puke.
post #11 of 46
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Originally Posted by pdx.mothernurture
NO LABIA, NO PROBLEM.


No labia=no risk of labial adhesions.

No labia=no risk of smegma or bacteria being 'harbored' in the folds between bathing.

No labia=no risk of labial irritation from candida (yeast) infection.

No labia=no risk of Bartholin's gland cysts of the labia.

No labia=no risk of cyst of the canal of Nuck (processus vaginalis peritonei) of the labia.

No labia=no risk of of mucous (dysontogenetic) cysts of the labia.

No labia=no risk of skene's duct cysts of of the labia.

No labia=no risk of epidermal inclusion cysts of the labia.

No labia=no risk of furunculosis of the labia.

No labia=no risk off varicosities of the labia.

No labia=no risk of lentigo of the labia.

No labia=no risk of nevi of the labia.

No labia=no risk of seborrheic or hyperkeratosis labia.

No labia=no risk of fibroepithelial polyps (acrochordon) of the labia.

No labia=no risk of papillomatosis of the labia.

No labia=no risk of fibroma/fibromyoma of the labia.

No labia=no risk of hidradenoma of the labia.

No labia=no risk of lipoma of the labia.

No labia=no risk of dermatofibroma of the labia.

No labia=no risk of hyper pigmentation of the labia.

No labia=no risk of Vulvodynia affecting the labia. (Less vulva=less vulvar pain.)

No labia=no risk of HSV infection of the labia.

No labia=no risk of Crohn's disease of the labia.

No labia=no risk of Behçet's Disease of the labia.

No labia=no risk of labial tears during intercourse or childbirth.

No labia=no risk of labial swelling after childbirth.

No labia=no risk of the labia 'getting in the way' of the penis and vaginal opening.

No labia=risk of of Vulvar Vestibulitis affecting the labia.

No labia=no risk of Condyloma Acuminata of the labia.

No labia=no risk of Herpes lesions of the labia.

No labia=no risk of Syphilis sores on the labia.

No labia=no risk of primary irritant dermatitis of the labia.

No labia=no risk of allergic dermatitis of the labia.

No labia=no risk of seborrheic dermatitis of the labia.

No labia=no risk of psoriasis of the labia.

No labia=no risk of hidradenitis suppurativa of the labia.

No labia=no risk of labial Intertrigo.

No labia=no risk of excoriation of the labia.

No labia=no risk of of Paget's Disease of the labia. (may require vulvectomy)

No labia=no risk of fissuring of the labia.

No labia=no risk of Lichen Sclerosus of the labia.

No labia=no risk of Lichen Planus of the labia.

No labia=no risk of eczema of the labia.

No labia=no risk of Squamous Cell Hyperplasia of the labia.

No labia=no risk of Vulvar Intraepithelial Neoplasm affecting the labia.

No labia=no risk of Vulvar Neoplasm-Melanoma affecting the labia.

No labia=no risk of basal cell carcinoma of the labia.

No labia=no risk of verrucous carcinoma of the labia.

No labia=no risk of sarcomas of the labia.

No labia= no risk of adenocarcinoma of the labia.

No labia=no risk of labial pruritus.

No labia=no risk of HIV entering through tears, abrasion, or sores on the labia.

(Many of these found here and here.)


Hell yeah! Just say NO to labia, FGM for all
post #12 of 46

Sunathrone Disposable Clamp

If you go that awful, awful circumfetish website Circlist and choose "Circ Instrument & Techniques", you'll see ALL about the Sunathrone method. I think this is what the OP means. I don't see much of a difference between that and the Plastibell method or the Tara Klamp method since all 3 use a plastic sleeve that kills (crushes) the foreskin to "fuse" the two sides toegether (the skin above and below the crush line).
post #13 of 46
eeek I personally would not do this.. However as an adult if this is something that is chosen to be done by the person who it is going to happen to the so be it. i did not not circumsize my son not because i think he should always be intact. i did not do it because it is not mine to cut off. If he is 18 and decides he wants to be cut, so be it, it is his choice. I won;t even get my daughters ears peirced till she decides on her own.

As an adult making an informed decision weather to have a circumsizion ( I can;'t spell), of a boob job, or whatever It is their desision. This was done to a 14 year old, did she make the choice.?? It is hard to break traditions..And hard to break religious ideas even more......I had 3 friends in my hospital room when I had my son telling me I should have him circumsized. I was in tears telling them no. my husband took them out. I researched it, We decided agianst it. I do not regret the decision at all, if he wants it done he'll get it done....I just kind of rambled on and on but a message is in there somewhere
post #14 of 46
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Originally Posted by sarahmarielund@hot
.I had 3 friends in my hospital room when I had my son telling me I should have him circumsized. I was in tears telling them no.
Those do not sound much like friends...

Quote:
I just kind of rambled on and on but a message is in there somewhere
I see your point! You did not just "Decide not to circumcise" you realised it was not even your decision to make and left your child intact so that he could make the decision.

I understand totally and I think what you did, despite being under such pressure from people who should have been supporting you, was totally admirable.
post #15 of 46
Quote:
Originally Posted by Microsoap
If you go that awful, awful circumfetish website Circlist and choose "Circ Instrument & Techniques", you'll see ALL about the Sunathrone method. I think this is what the OP means. I don't see much of a difference between that and the Plastibell method or the Tara Klamp method since all 3 use a plastic sleeve that kills (crushes) the foreskin to "fuse" the two sides toegether (the skin above and below the crush line).
Sunathrone is another clamping/crushing method for male circ/RIC, you're absolutely right. However, the OP is clearly talking about FGM (type 1): " During this vacation, she underwent the Sunna circumcision which about 97% of Egyptian girls undergo."

Jen
post #16 of 46
I just wash my vulva. Works like a charm.


ETA: not having labia minora and a clitoral hood would make sex awfully painful.
post #17 of 46
Wow, with all of those advantages, I must go get myself a sunna circumcion ASAP!






NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
post #18 of 46
Quote:
Originally Posted by honolula
ETA: not having labia minora and a clitoral hood would make sex awfully painful.
Same goes for circumcision really...

I was pretty astounded when I realised that circumcised friends need to lube up, the idea of being forced to do that to fight friction sorta shocked me.
post #19 of 46
Many of my patients are East African/North African and have been circumcised (FGM). Some of them consider it an important cultural identifier and are quite attached to the practice. It's not something I'm in favor of (ditto male circumcision), but how can I honor this as their cultural practice? They don't consider themselves mutilated in any way, and I'm not an East/North African woman. Why do I have the right to question what for them is an intrinsic part of themselves?

Not trying to be a PITA, but trying to figure out how to navigate between cultures in a way that's respectful to both.
post #20 of 46
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Originally Posted by maxmama
Many of my patients are East African/North African and have been circumcised (FGM). Some of them consider it an important cultural identifier and are quite attached to the practice. It's not something I'm in favor of (ditto male circumcision), but how can I honor this as their cultural practice? They don't consider themselves mutilated in any way, and I'm not an East/North African woman. Why do I have the right to question what for them is an intrinsic part of themselves?

Not trying to be a PITA, but trying to figure out how to navigate between cultures in a way that's respectful to both.
Um...Can I be brutally honest?

You don't.

Sorry but relativism is a logically and ethically bankrupt school of thought. These women have had their consent robbed of them and wish to rob it of others and thus their culture is inferior to our own in that respect.

Really, it is that simple. If your culture tells you to deform the genitals of an unconsenting party, especially an innocent child's, and your culture is a bad one.
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