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post #1 of 8
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My dd just turned five. For the past few months she has been asking me about death and dying, we have had many conversations about it, not too many but it comes up. In the past month or so her play has become more and more taken with dying and death, and today she was playing with her cousin and they started killing each other's stuffed toys. My sister became quite upset about it and asked them to stop playing those kind of games and to play something else. Usually when she is playing by herself these games come up, something dies, is resurrected and dies again...there isn't usually killing involved but it is starting to occur a bit. And today I think they freaked themselves out a bit because they were both upset about the *killing* incident and became a little too involved. My dd was actually pounding one stuffed dog with another. It was a little shocking to see and it really bothered me. It was very bazaar because this kind of behaviour only comes out when she is doing this pretend play, otherwise she is the farthest thing from violent and her normal is to break down sobbing because she stepped on a snail or a bug. She is very gentle and kind and considerate and this *play* is really throwing me off and making me wonder if something else is going on that I'm not catching somewhere...? Or is this normal play for this age? I know she is working through her thoughts on the matter, testing it out, playing with it, and to ME it may be violent but to her it may not be...but I can't help but process it as her being violent and dark and be concerned about it.

Thoughts?
post #2 of 8
I think this is normal. She is probably figuring out her own feelings about violence and death. I don't think it's a good idea to tell her to play something else, because that sort of sends the message that her feelings and concerns are wrong. If you're concerned I would talk to her about why she likes playing those types of things.

If she's not violent towards real people I wouldn't consider it a problem.
post #3 of 8


I agree. My grandmother recently died and dd has been asking alot about death and dying as well. It sounds like she's just working out her feelings about death through her play.
post #4 of 8
Normal, normal, normal. Again, normal. No worries.

My DS is 5 1/2 and has been playing these kinds of games quite a lot as well and for sometime actually. To thwart it is to rob the child from working through difficult feelings the best way she knows how. While I understand that some parents (your sister for example) can be rattled by such play, to have stopped it "dead" (pardon the pun ) was overreacting. It is exactly this type of reaction that furthers anxiety in the child. They are only doing what comes naturally, and the parent sees something "wrong" with what they NEED to do to work through what is for most children (and many adults), a scary issue. It leaves them without a VERY important outlet for processing difficult feelings. For most children, the ONLY outlet that truly helps. Play.

I do remember a time when play of this nature bothered me. I admit, I bristled. Thankfully, I realized that this was MY problem and now I join DH and DS happily in the 'death games.' Why just yesterday, we were all shooting each other with "arrows" and taking turns being the overly dramatic (ok, silly) victim to see who could be the most "over the top." (DS won) And then, DS would give us our "wake up pills" and we'd start again.

When I get to questioning this kind of thing, I only have to look at my own childhood. My Dad died when I was not quite 3 so death was a part of my life from very young. I remember feeling thwarted, but did engage in such play out of earshot of mom. Still, I had so many questions and intense anxiety where death was concerned and I would have loved a parent to actively engage with me about it and even make some light of it. My mom says now she wished she would have had us in counseling right away "but back then..." In third grade I became practically agoraphobic so my mom agreed to one session. The school said I could benefit from more but my mom poo pooed the idea. She said at that time, counseling was not seen in a favorable light and reflected badly on her as a mother. She has her regrets to be sure.

The reason I bring this last part up is that the one session I did have? It helped me immeasurably. Imagine just how much more emotionally content I'd be if I'd had more? But more to the point. The ONE theme I remember most of all was that the therapist just "played with me." We played tick, tack, toe (or rather, toe tack tick), and he asked me to draw a picture of my family, etc. We played. It is no mystery to me that a long 30 years later, I still remember so much about this session and how much good it did me. It was 30 minutes and a huge turning point in my life.

I'm rambling. At any rate, it sounds like your DD knows exactly what she needs to do to work through those troublesome things about life and she's doing just that! One book that helped us so very much with this was Lawrence Cohen's Playful Parenting. It has really helped me relax and understand just why this kind of play (and many others) is so very important. And as a parent, allowing my child to lead the play, and then joining in can really help children put all these more difficult things about life into perspective. Highly recommend.

The best,
Em
post #5 of 8
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Thank you for your reassurance, and Embee thank you for your thoughtful post.

When my sister stopped the play I did feel uncomfortable with it, just because it isn't something I do, I know that this is important to children, to be able to express themselves through play, freely. My sister is wholeheartedly uncomfortable with the topic of death so I was expecting the intense reaction. Actually I think it really bothers her that when we play with her daughter my dd almost always initiates a game involving death, and I know her dd doesn't play this way, maybe because she isn't allowed to. Just the other day the three of us (me, dd and my niece) were in the car and my dd was talking about death and how we will all die and how her mom will die and I will die etc etc.. and I just let them talk about it, listening, knowing that my niece probably hasn't voiced such things before, and at first she was saying no no, no they won't, but then they talked about it some more and my dd reassured her that they will indeed die, but then they will be babies again and on and on...(she has taken to the philosophy of reincarnation , I imagine it is very reassuring...) and it was quite a thing to hear my niece work through it because I know if this conversation had been struck up with my sister in tow, it would have been cut short very quickly, and then what are they left with? The same anxiety and fear that my sister has. And my niece dealt with it very well, I was sort of cringing at the "your mom will die" part, but she was working through it and listening, which is important for her to approach, IMO.

I like to think that I have a healthy relationship with death and I don't mind her playing the games, it was the killing and the violence that went along with it that really bothered me, but I suppose that is all part of the experience. It is interesting to see what strikes concern in me and what I see as natural... And I agree, shunning it isn't the answer. I like your idea Embee about playing with it and making light of it, even though this seems taboo on some level, I know that is MY hangup. It is so hard sometimes to realize how I am affecting something with my own issues of it.

I am also thinking this may be something of a symbolic death issue as well, as my dh and I separated about seven months ago and I am sure she is dealing with this on many levels as well. I have been thinking that therapy for all of us would be a good thing honestly. Thank you for sharing your experience Embee, that helps me think of the therapy as truly promising.

And it's nice to know she is within the *normal* range.
post #6 of 8
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Originally Posted by bellasmum
It is so hard sometimes to realize how I am affecting something with my own issues of it.
Yes, YES! I get this! Even considering myself a tuned in, "allow all feelings" kind of mom, I have at times, drawn a rather arbitrary line on certain things because of my own discomfort. Moreover, because I perhaps worried that other people would be uncomfortable to hear my son playing/talking a certain way even though *I* know what he is doing is a healthy "work through" of a tough subject. My biggest issue here, is that I have a hard time explaining why I stopped something. This being of course, the first red flag that perhaps my stance is not well founded. Stop. Back up truck. Rethink. Can I help shed light here rather than thwart because I'm uncomfortable?

One thing is for sure, through learning and relearning this particular process with my DS, I've actually developed some much more healthy attitudes about more things than I can count. So, here's to personal growth!

The best,
Em
post #7 of 8
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Originally Posted by Embee
Yes, YES! I get this! Even considering myself a tuned in, "allow all feelings" kind of mom, I have at times, drawn a rather arbitrary line on certain things because of my own discomfort. Moreover, because I perhaps worried that other people would be uncomfortable to hear my son playing/talking a certain way even though *I* know what he is doing is a healthy "work through" of a tough subject. My biggest issue here, is that I have a hard time explaining why I stopped something. This being of course, the first red flag that perhaps my stance is not well founded. Stop. Back up truck. Rethink. Can I help shed light here rather than thwart because I'm uncomfortable?
Oh my I hear you there. And I have THE WORST time with my family surrounding this. I *hear* them in my head constantly. And it has the most negative destructive effect on me. and my dd to be sure. Even though my ideals are strong, it is hard to be in the minority sometimes.
post #8 of 8
I think it is normal..........I also think there are times were it is appropriate to lead your children's play to a different direction. Today sounded like one of those times. You can change the direction but offering them a drink or popcicle. Offer to play another game with them.
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