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post #161 of 164
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Originally Posted by 4imprints
Why do you chose to surpervise your children in the bath tub? Because someone's child drowned? Because you've heard "too many stories"?
Not in my case. I supervise my children in the bath, because I know myself how easy it is to slip in the tub. I've done it many times. DS2 slipped and went down flat on his back with me holding him not two weeks ago. There's no way I'd leave a small child unattended in a bathtub, as I believe, from my own experience, that a bathtub is one of the most dangerous locations in any house.

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I mean seriously - so you're responsible enough to restrain them in a proper carseat but not responsible enough to not leave them alone where they are defenseless? That is what bothers me - the arguments - they just don't add up or at least I can't see how they add up. I mean if I felt it was OK to leave my child in an unattended car I don't see why I would worry about protecting them at all?
I don't feel that I'm leaving them unattended. Am I leaving them in the car unattended if they're strapped in their seats, and I'm at the back with the liftgate up, loading up groceries? Are they unattended if they're in their carseats, and I'm standing beside the car, talking to a neighbour? Are they unattended if they're in their carseats and I"m standing 10 feet away, looking at the car, talking to a neighbour? 20 feet? This isn't about thinking it's okay to leave them unattended, imo...it's about where we draw the line on defining "unattended". Plus, as Shannon says, there's the balancing of other risks. I feel that my kids are safer if they're strapped in a carseat than they are if I'm taking them with me to get a buggy. There's no physical way that I can be pushing the buggy in (or pulling it out), holding ds2 and holding dd's hand. The possibility that dd may wander into parking lot traffic scares me more than the possibility of someone getting one or both of them out of their carseat in the <1 minute that it takes me to put the buggy back (or get the buggy in the first place).
post #162 of 164
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Originally Posted by Storm Bride
I don't feel that I'm leaving them unattended. Am I leaving them in the car unattended if they're strapped in their seats, and I'm at the back with the liftgate up, loading up groceries? Are they unattended if they're in their carseats, and I'm standing beside the car, talking to a neighbour? Are they unattended if they're in their carseats and I"m standing 10 feet away, looking at the car, talking to a neighbour? 20 feet? This isn't about thinking it's okay to leave them unattended, imo...it's about where we draw the line on defining "unattended". Plus, as Shannon says, there's the balancing of other risks. I feel that my kids are safer if they're strapped in a carseat than they are if I'm taking them with me to get a buggy. There's no physical way that I can be pushing the buggy in (or pulling it out), holding ds2 and holding dd's hand. The possibility that dd may wander into parking lot traffic scares me more than the possibility of someone getting one or both of them out of their carseat in the <1 minute that it takes me to put the buggy back (or get the buggy in the first place).
Well put.
post #163 of 164
The only situation in which I leave my child alone in the car is when I am loading or unloading many or heavy objects between car and house AND there is nobody available to help me. For example, when we come home from the grocery store, I leave him strapped into his carseat while I carry the groceries into the house--not into the kitchen, just inside the front door--and then I go out and get him. The car is parked in the street (if I can't find a space very close to our house, I double-park while unloading, then park the car properly before unstrapping EnviroBaby) but our front yard is only 7 feet deep; the only time I can't see the car is when my back is turned to unlock the door and set down the groceries.

Why do I do this? Because I believe he is much more at risk being let loose in the house while I go back and forth to the car, than being strapped into his seat. The times when I've brought him into the house first, since he learned to crawl, he's come over to the door to watch me return to the car, which means that when I return carrying heavy objects he's underfoot; it was because of several incidents of almost dropping things on him and one incident of actually tripping over him (which bruised his face and threw out my back) and one of the storm-door closing on his hand because I couldn't catch it, that I decided it's safer to leave him in the car.

Typically when I'm doing this, the car doors are locked but the trunk is open. Sometimes I have cargo on the front seat or floor of the back seat as well, in which case doors may be open. The keys always are with me. Thus the car can't be stolen. It would be very, very difficult to get EnviroBaby unstrapped and maneuvered out of the car (it's a compact; you have to rotate him at an awkward angle to lift him out the door) before I'd notice. The fact that child abductions by strangers are extremely rare also makes me feel that the risk to my child is low. Not nonexistent, low.

4imprints wrote:
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I mean if I felt it was OK to leave my child in an unattended car I don't see why I would worry about protecting them at all? Does that make sense.
No. If you assess the risks and decide they are low enough compared to the benefits, you might well decide one thing is OK while still protecting your child in other ways. I mean, YOU LET YOUR CHILD RIDE IN A CAR EVEN THOUGH CAR ACCIDENTS ARE A LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH AND INJURIES IN CHILDREN. Every time you put your child in a car, no matter how well restrained and supervised, you are taking a risk. Does that mean you don't bother protecting your child at all??
post #164 of 164
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Originally Posted by shannon0218
You would leave your 11 mos old with no lighter, matches or flamethrower????? How irresponsible...have you NEVER watched McGyver??? I mean those things could save a life!!!!
I can't believe I'm reading this here!!!
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