dairy & behavior issues? - please share your experience! - Page 5

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by kjbrown92

I had posted something right before Christmas about challenging my son on his food intolerances, and after 3 days he had no reactions (he used to get a rash around his mouth, wet the bed, and scream that his leg hurt in the middle of the night for HOURS -- he's 7). So I've been taking it slow this time and giving him the foods (milk, soy, cocoa) only once every 3 days, and used raw milk for the dairy. Well it's only been two weeks and his behavior is HORRIBLE.

My observation is that food intolerances have a cumulative effect. My understanding is that the gut becomes irritated, leaks the proteins and affects the brain chemistry. The more irritation, the more symptoms due to leaky gut. Ds can eat wheat, corn, dairy on a weekly basis, but daily becomes an issue.

ETA: I hadn't read ahead. I defer to firefaery's expertise.

Pat

[kjbrown92]

I'm wondering that too -- about the so-called outgrowing numbers. If it just means that they don't have the symptom they originally did. And then a little while later something else pops up. Is that recorded anywhere? I'm hopeful yet always waiting for the other shoe to drop. And I guess the other shoe dropped this time -- in less than 2 weeks.

And, some people are very supportive and others aren't. Luckily my husband is very supportive of me, and all my research into food intolerances. Then I have family (a nurse, no less) that said how can bedwetting and drinking milk be related? I said because he was drinking it and wetting the bed, and then he stopped drinking it and stopped wetting the bed. And three months later I let him drink it again as a challenge, and he wet the bed again (a little coincidental, don't you think?). That was vent, in case you couldn't tell.

Kathy

[kjbrown92]

I wish when he was challenged, that he went according to protocol, and did one food at a time, 3 days apart. However, when I gave him the cocoa challenge, he decided to eat everything that day. I'm taking the dairy and soy out today (and letting have cocoa) and see if that makes a difference. On Monday I'll have to decide what I'm going to do about the other foods...
Kathy

[Panserbjorne]

Kathy, by any chance do you do anything to support the reintroduction of foods? That can be a huge help.

There is some published research. It's been awhile since I've read it but I'm sure I can find it again.

[kjbrown92]

Firefaery -- you're the one I'm going back and forth with about coconut balls too!

Do you mean probiotics or something? I have not done probiotics with him. I get them into my youngest daughter (also food intolerances) through coconut milk yogurt, but my son doesn't do smoothies or yogurt, unless I could hide it in something else...

Kathy

[Panserbjorne]

No, I was more thinking something that would open his detox pathways and allow him to cycle to toxins out...glutathione, methionine, selenium...things like that. Or digestive enzymes along with magesium and sulfur-for the sulfation pathways. Epsom salt soaks during a food challenge can really save the day.

If you don't you may want to think about having pascalite clay around for the challenges. It is an anion and attracts positively charged toxins, binds them and escorts them out of the body. Helpful for MANY things, but great for allergic reactions too-especially behavioral ones.

Coconut oil is really healing too. IT is antifungal and antiviral but it also contains lauric acid (also found in copious amounts in breastmilk) which helps seal up the gut.

The coconut oil would be a good idea for both kiddos.

[Panserbjorne]

Sorry-I think faster than I type at times. Allergens (IgG mediated) do have a cumulative effect. By opening detox pathways you stop the 'back up" that causes the accumulation. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

[kjbrown92]

I just bought the coconut oil a couple days ago. I used it in my chocolate cupcakes for tonight (birthday party to go to) and I'm going to use it for the almond butter-coconut balls, so I'll try to work it in some more if it's really healing.

Do the other things come in capsules? Sources? We have a Whole Foods a half hour away, not much else in the way of healthy stores. I have never heard of the clay.

I thought Epsom Salts were just good for muscle aches (which is why I have it). Is it safe to put in the 2 year old's baths?

Kathy

[Panserbjorne]

VERY safe. The only time you'd see a "reaction" is if she has oxalate issues. Then it's just a matter of detoxing quickly, not that you are harming anyone. If her ears get bright red and she gets hyperactive then just use less the next time.

It is great for muscle aches because it's a bioavailable source of magnesium-who's chief action is to relax cramping muscles. Calcium contracts, magnesium relaxes. Great for spasms, cramps, headaches, heart murmurs etc.

Since most everyone is deficient in magnesium (albeit functionally) it's a great idea to do soaks for kiddos and adults alike. Best at around 5 pm. If there are no oxalate issues this will chill them out nicely.

You can get all the supplements online or at a store. It's cheaper online and often you can get better companies than are carried in the market.

If you have an ND (once you find one) you could get them all through him/her-but it will be pricey! I love the internet for things like that.

[mumkenna&lucas]

Originally Posted by Red Sonja

Well, I have eliminated most of the dairy and have seen a change in DS' behavior. Without the dairy I don't see as many of the violent outbursts and uncharacteristic rages that I was seeing, which is good. I knew my sweet little boy was still in there somewhere! I'm going dairy & soy-free again myself (4 week old DD is also sensitive to dairy and soy) so that will make it easier to keep him dairy free if all the meals are dairy free.

Thanks for your input, mamas!

My son has similair sounding behaviors as you mention above, I know the start of this thread was a while ago, so I wanted to see how your ds is doing now? Do you still have him off dairy? Is it continueing to work?
Thanks!

[Unreal]

My son will be 5 in March...we have randomly challenged Soy & Dairy since eliminating it when he was 2 weeks old, and we still notice an immediate difference in his behavior.

[Molliejo]

Originally Posted by kjbrown92

I thought Epsom Salts were just good for muscle aches (which is why I have it). Is it safe to put in the 2 year old's baths?

Kathy

Yes! Perfectly safe!

[~*~MamaJava~*~]

epsom salts - if we're sulfite allergic, those are no-no, right? mag sulfate?

[chlobo]

Faery,

Can you say a little more about pathway detox during trialing?

[Panserbjorne]

different things are detoxed in different pathways. Here's some beginning info:

http://www.enzymestuff.com/epsomsalts.htm
http://www.enzymestuff.com/methylation.htm

If you want more let me know!

[MorgansMom]

long road!

I've read all the threads in here so far and am so happy that I am not alone! I thought I was going crazy! My poor 18mo daughter has been on a downward spiral of upper respiratory problems, fevers and febrile seizures, pnemonia, waking at night/nursing a lot, aggresive behavior, etc., etc. I believe there are a number of contributing factors beginning with catching up on vac's at 1yr for daycare(no more vacs ever!), germ warfare at daycare, introduction of dairy all at 12mo old. Her poor little body didn't have a chance.
I have recently figured out that she has a dairy allergy- I took her off dairy when she had pnemonia at 16mo because it thickens mucus. After 4weeks she finally got better so I put her back on dairy, low an behold she had a severe asthmatic episode so once again I eliminated dairy due to thick mucus... After 2 weeks she had improved so I let her have milk again, asthmatic symptoms started returning along with fevers and dark circles under her eyes and a barely noticeable rash and gas/diarhea. In hind site- all of these symptoms have been there but I never made the connection. Also, her reactions seem worse than they were before every time dairy is re-introduced.
This last time she had dairy I took note of all her symptoms:
Red cheeks, rash on front/back torso, gas/diarhea, fever, congested/coughing, dark circles under eys, night waking/nursing a lot, clumsiness, easily irritated, very clingy, hyperactive then crashes.

I really appreciate all of the information in these pages and the awsome links too! I had already started down the detox path cuz I thought it was just the vac's that killed her immunity but now I know I was playing a part too Hopefully we can get her health back!

[crunchyconmomma]

OMG yes yes and YES dairy caused behavior issues for us. DS was 3 in January.
Doctor said, "classic dairy allergy" in mid December. Next day, DF. Almost immediately, DS was calm and cooperative, (especially in the a.m.) and he was sleeping in his own bed, all night, with more regularity than he ever had. We had many fewer probs with tantrums and meltdowns and stubborn, fighting-with-the-adults behavior.
The big issue I had was that his skin never cleared - you know, mainly because that's the visible thing. The behavior is easy to forget about...
So....
I've been very involved with alternative healing modalities like EFT, the Sedona Method, intentional creation/visualization, etc, and still really believe that alot of his problem is emotional and it's really my emotional problems manifesting this way. So I decided to do a challenge and see what would happen if I tried to make peace with his skin problems and his desire to eat like the rest of the world. Not too successful in resolving anything yet, but I did get a good lesson here.

He has had dairy foods for the last 3 days and he has been a monster again. It is honestly like he is possessed by some dairy-demon. He is MISERABLE in the mornings, refuses to eat breakfast, throws terrible tantrums, fights me on everything, has meltdowns, cannot handle any sort of adversity or disappointment....and yet, you can see the sweet, loving, cooperative little boy who dwells inside this beasty thing that takes over his body.
I had NO idea that others experienced this. I thought it was some freakish phenom. that only happened to us. I came on this forum tonight because I am discouraged that the dairy-free-ness did NOTHING to improve his skin (in fact, I think it seemed to get worse over the 2 months of DF) and I saw this thread. So...at least I know that I'm not out of my mind, dairy can cause behavior issues....

[Panserbjorne]

Kate...have you ever heard of Hering's Law of Cure? It states that healing will always occur from the deepest to the most superficial, in reverse order and from the top down. Following Hering's Law, you would expect that the internal damage would be taken care of first and the last thing to go would be the skin rash. Just something to think about. The body will always take care of the most vital portions first. If you don't have a ton of damage then the skin will clear quickly...and if the skin was one of the first symptoms it will also be one of the last to go.

I think it is ultimately emotional, but it took time to get here. It will take time to get back. You're on the right track.

[CrunchyCate]

Also, Kate, do you think he could have an allergy to something you are using as a substitute for dairy? I went DF years ago in my coffee, and found my skin was getting worse again- from the soy I was using a substitution!

[crunchyconmomma]

firefaery, I thought that the skin was last to heal because it's the last bastion of defense. in other words, by the time it got to skin, it was because the problem had spread through all other channels. I don't know about this Hering's law specifically, but I'm going to look into it. Sounds right up my alley!

And yes, concurrent sensitivity does seem to be an issue, but I am not sure if it's a substitution thing. He isn't getting any soy. In fact, I think firefaery was the one who explained to me why to avoid that (but not really sure, could have been someone else). He does get rice milk, and he has had more wheat - sandwiches often. He is CRAVING bread and wheat products ALOT.....

I'm really going to have to a journal...you know, because life is so easy and I have nothing at all to do.....