Healing the Gut Tribe - June!!!

[chasmyn]

Wow, *I* get to start this thread, too??? :-D

It's June!!! Finally a new thread :

[Annikate]

The only way I know it's a new month is because somebody always starts a new HTGT thread.

Anybody have any comments about this:

The last 3 days dd1 has had a semi-formed poopy. Yipeee! (This has only happened a few times in her short little life.) I have been out of CLO for her and just today started it again. Well, she had a very mushy poopy again. Is this a result of the CLO?

[quelindo]

subb'ing

[caedmyn]

annikate--I don't why the CLO would cause mushy poops, but who knows? Sorry, I'm not much help!

I'm re-posting this from the May thread cuz I still need answers...

"Can teething cause an eczema flare-up? I wonder if it is possible that the teething and not the goat yogurt is causing the flare-up. (Side note: now I'm not even sure if it is eczema or not. It is more little red bumps so maybe it is the yeast rash again, although the colloidal silver I sprayed on this morning appears to have made it worse. Now DD's poor little butt crack is bright red--I don't think I've ever seen it that red before.)

Anyone know how much evening primrose oil I should be taking to help with DD's eczema?

And can sunlight make DD's eczema worse? I've been trying to get some sun on her because I read the Vitamin D can help with eczema but her face always looks worse after she gets some sun (and she's not getting burned).

What are common symptoms of teething, anyway? The only thing DD's been doing differently is having trouble going to sleep at night. She hasn't been cranky or anything (yet)."

[quelindo]

Originally Posted by caedmyn

What are common symptoms of teething, anyway? The only thing DD's been doing differently is having trouble going to sleep at night. She hasn't been cranky or anything (yet)."

My son always seems to have one really red, hot cheek when he's teething. Maybe this has something to do with your daughter's eczema flaring up?

[Pattyla]

For my dd teething mostly effects her sleeping and makes her want to chew on anything she can get her hands on. She seems to particularly like cell phones.

So I e-mailed the Houstons guy. He said that he thinks my pain is caused by the enzymes doing some damage to my gut and I should quit all enzymes for a couple of months and then start back on zyme prime and see how it goes. Sigh. I just wanna get better.

Here's his e-mail.

I'm not sure, but I think the high-dosing with the EM product may
have done something.
Probably best to stay off all enzymes for the next couple of
months, then try the zyme prime again.
It is not normal for enzymes to cause pain of any sort. I am
especially suspicious of the serrapeptase-containing products as
it is a bacterial enzyme, not fungal.

Devin Houston

I think I'm just going to concentrate on getting a cultured drink with every meal now and leave it at that. I'll keep giving dd and dh the enzymes for now, probably.

Oh and I think I'm getting an appointment with a new Dr for dd. She sounds pretty amazing and hopefully will have some good insight. I'm just frustrated with the wait and see attitude of the Dr's we see right now. Plus the Dr that we love from the family practice we go to is quitting so now is a good time to shop arround anyhow.

[Pattyla]

Originally Posted by Annikate

The only way I know it's a new month is because somebody always starts a new HTGT thread.

Anybody have any comments about this:

The last 3 days dd1 has had a semi-formed poopy. Yipeee! (This has only happened a few times in her short little life.) I have been out of CLO for her and just today started it again. Well, she had a very mushy poopy again. Is this a result of the CLO?

I have started giving CO and CLO to my dog and noticed that her poops were less well formed. I have heard that one side effect of too much fish oil is diahrea so I think you are onto something. Can you try a lower dose and build it up slowly? That may fix the issue or give it in divided doses throughout the day? I know Dr sears recomends flax oil for constipation and I'm sure that is for a similar reason.

[p1gg1e]

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[~Shanna~]

Oops, I posted this in May before I realized it was June!

Is there any reason to suspect that my very delayed ovulation is related to my new way of eating (SCD)? I'm about 4 days late, which is unprecedented. I never did get the last hcg quant after my miscarriage 2 months ago - and I haven't given it a second thought until now because my cycles got regular again, and it just seemed so hysterically unnecessary at the time. But I'm suspecting stress or the diet before I"m suspecting an incomplete MC anyway. Any thoughts? I've been slightly paranoid about inadequate B-Vitamins with having a grain and starch-free diet, but I haven't been taking a B-supplement.

[memory maker]

I posted in may first too. I started today and things have gone well. At what point can I expect die off symptoms? what symptoms are usually experienced?

[~Shanna~]

I had my heart set on making homemade ice cream with the cream from our whole milk (re: BTVC "Commercially prepared ice cream is not allowed. However, there are many wonderful recipes for homemade ice cream."), but then I see that she says that "Cream is illegal as it contains lactose. Cream can be added to milk and then fermented to make SCD™24hr yoghurt as the lactsose will be used up in the fermentation. Cream has less lactose than milk and the more fat it contains the less lactose it has." I guess her idea of homemade ice cream is different from mine

So my question: How close to ice cream can we get on SCD? Can you ferment all cream for 24 hours, use it as your ice cream base, and get a decent product? Anyone experiment with this?

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by memory maker

I posted in may first too. I started today and things have gone well. At what point can I expect die off symptoms? what symptoms are usually experienced?

Not everybody has die off symptoms. The only die-off symptoms I've had are upset stomach--three episodes of major upset stomach with diarrhea, and an occasional slightly upset stomach. I've had an episode right after each time I've done the intro diet, and one other time. I think www.enzymestuff.com has a list of die off symptoms somewhere--they will still be applicable even if you aren't doing enzymes.

[Pattyla]

Originally Posted by Shanna4000

I had my heart set on making homemade ice cream with the cream from our whole milk (re: BTVC "Commercially prepared ice cream is not allowed. However, there are many wonderful recipes for homemade ice cream."), but then I see that she says that "Cream is illegal as it contains lactose. Cream can be added to milk and then fermented to make SCD™24hr yoghurt as the lactsose will be used up in the fermentation. Cream has less lactose than milk and the more fat it contains the less lactose it has." I guess her idea of homemade ice cream is different from mine

So my question: How close to ice cream can we get on SCD? Can you ferment all cream for 24 hours, use it as your ice cream base, and get a decent product? Anyone experiment with this?

I have fermented all cream for 30 hours. It is too rich for me so I mix it 50/50 w/ whole milk yogurt. It makes yummy ice cream. Esp fruit flavors.

[HerthElde]

xposted from the NT thread (I'm taking the lazy road today )

Soooooooooo, if the gut flora is an ecosystem unto itself, is there really a point to ridding oneself of all bad bacteria/yeast, or are they part of that balance? Can't good bacteria turn bad if not kept in check?

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by HerthElde

xposted from the NT thread (I'm taking the lazy road today )

Soooooooooo, if the gut flora is an ecosystem unto itself, is there really a point to ridding oneself of all bad bacteria/yeast, or are they part of that balance? Can't good bacteria turn bad if not kept in check?

The point isn't to get rid of all the bad bacteria and yeast, but to give the body a chance to get everything back in balance--I believe the "correct" ratio of bacteria is 15% bad, 85% good, and that yeast is always present to some degree, but the good bacteria keep it from growing too much. I assume when your body is functioning properly it automatically keeps everything in the right balance (as long as it is not messed with by antibiotics, processed food, etc etc). Hopefully that makes sense...

[HerthElde]

Originally Posted by Shanna4000

So my question: How close to ice cream can we get on SCD? Can you ferment all cream for 24 hours, use it as your ice cream base, and get a decent product? Anyone experiment with this?

I've never done it, but I do like frozen yogurt, so I'd give it a try for sure. I can only guess it would be like a super rich version of frozen yogurt. Just thinking about the possibility makes me
Let us know how it turns out!

[HerthElde]

Originally Posted by caedmyn

The point isn't to get rid of all the bad bacteria and yeast, but to give the body a chance to get everything back in balance--I believe the "correct" ratio of bacteria is 15% bad, 85% good, and that yeast is always present to some degree, but the good bacteria keep it from growing too much. I assume when your body is functioning properly it automatically keeps everything in the right balance (as long as it is not messed with by antibiotics, processed food, etc etc). Hopefully that makes sense...

Thanks caedmyn - yep, that totally answered my question

[MommyofPunkiePie]

How do I know when to increase the amount of CO DD and I are taking? I've slowly gone from .5 tsp to 1 tsp in myself, and .25 tsp to .5 tsp in DD.

[chlobo]

JaneS,

My DD is 2.5. Before I just thought it was raisins but just today she had a loose poopie with bits of broccoli & asparagus from last night.

Can anyone recommend a good book to start with?

[JaneS]

I'm sure Pookietooth will be here any minute reminding me of when I "made" her make frozen SCD yogurt and her response was

The 24 hr. milk yogurt is pretty tart. You can drip it and then make ice cream with the thickened less tart version or ferment cream, which is WAY yummy as ice cream. But then again, I liked the tart version just fine... I add egg yolks, honey and a tablespoon of vanilla.