Healing the Gut Tribe - June!!! - Page 30

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by AmyD

It is in reference to an intact teenager being in the locker room w/his cut friends. But, we all now that intact boys are on the rise and if I wasn't homeschooling, he would be the majority in the locker room

Speaking of which one of DS's friends was just cut. Yup, at the age of almost 3 b/c his father reconsidered and wanted it done. Isn't that :Puke

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by AmyD

I was thinking of doing Jane's cashew cake, but it calls for like 10 eggs :

Just make half (smaller than 9x13 makes a thicker cake) plenty big. Its good with pecans, the Choco Nut cake recipe w/o the prunes.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by chlobo

I'm curious as to how folks here determined exactly what was wrong with your guts before you began the healing process? I know that both DD & I have problems but don't specifically know what they are.

I did get the enzyme book and am working my way through that but as of right now it hasn't talked about diagnosing.

I did have a stool test done for myself and it showed no yeast and an imbalance in the gut for which I'm supposed to take tanalbit & probiotics to help straighten out.

For DD I have no idea except that I believe she isn't absorbing nutrients since she passes a lot of undigested foods (of all sorts) in usually loose stools.

I think one of the problems that it is intestinal flora imbalance with both of you. Is the book helping you understand the digestive process a bit better? There could be other things than bad bacteria or yeast such as celiac.

I had a lot of gas/bloating/anxiety and alternating loose stool and constipation. DS has had everything under the sun, right now very sensitive to a ton of foods, gets gas sometimes and sleep problems.

Tanalbit is interesting I've never heard of it. Plant tannins are supposedly one of the things DS's bad bugs are sensitive to as well, also berberine and uva ursi. The thing with that is that these are tested in vitro. And the mucus lining of the gut can protect the flora ... I think in biofilms... read about Elaine talking about them somewhere. So that is why sometimes antifungals/antibacterials don't work as well as expected in vivo.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by moonshine

Question on still trying to fully get into stage 1. Since cutting out all SCD illegals (coffee with milk and kefir) a few days after starting the intro diet, I am massively constipated. Not to the point of totally being uncomfortable, but it has essentially been 3 days. I am continuing to take it slow, but man, I feel like all I eat is protein. This can not be good for me too much longer, no? I did manage cooked pears ok today, so am hoping that's a go.

DH is impressed with my resolution. I am just so sick of stomach issues, and this seems to be my best bet. If this doesn't work, I don't really know what to do.

If it doesn't work you will have learned something at least for the next step, trust me.

Not pooping in three days is NOT good. Are you drinking a ton of water. You might want to try some more cooked fruit if it's not giving you gas. Juice? On the BTVC website they suggest orange juice for constip. but I didn't tolerate that very well in early stages. Hot tea first thing in AM is supposed to help too.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Originally Posted by caedmyn

Yeah I saw that thread. I thought about posting but you beat me to it. Funny how it's so much easier to believe allergies are inherited than that there is a lifestyle cause (and cure).

Yeah.

But you know what is interesting to me?

Parents who have vaccine reactions often have kids who have WORSE vaccine reactions.

So something is passed down, through generational habits, nutrition, immune system or whatever...

Annikate pinged me to come here to answer a question, but I can't find the question to answer, so someone will have to me.

Anyway, ask Jane S. She's the gut expert.

[JaneS]

MT, the question was about where to get your fabulous book

[JaneS]

Or maybe it was the one about vaccinations .. EBG asked where she should go as a newbie to find stuff to print out for her Ped. We pretty much said it's useless to try to convince 'em!

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

1) The book can be got from me.

2) Convince yourself of whatever choice you want to make and stand by it. The ped's opinion is incidental to the issue. You pay him, not vice-versa

[Annikate]

Originally Posted by JaneS
Plant tannins are supposedly one of the things DS's bad bugs are sensitive to as well,

Aren't pecans high in tannins?

[Annikate]

Originally Posted by Momtezuma Tuatara
1) The book can be got from me.

2) Convince yourself of whatever choice you want to make and stand by it. The ped's opinion is incidental to the issue. You pay him, not vice-versa

Yup, the question was where to get the book.

And . . .this is why I just made an appointment with a new ped for dd (she is reputed for being non-vaxing friendly and uses a lot of alternative therapies w/her patients too.) I think she's also an ASD specialist.

I have an appointment for dd on July 12th!

[moonshine]

New Mama, how are you doing with your diet changes? I saw your post on the NT thread, but thought that I would ask you here, as I am more on this thread than that one.

[Annikate]

I am going over dd's symptoms (again) so that I make sure I have everything written down to tell this new pediatrician and I remembered something about dd that I had forgotten.

Several months ago she had a couple of days when her breath smelled like sulfur. (I think that this was as we were starting SCD but I can't be sure.) Isn't this a sign that the body is chelating?

Anybody know?

[Nathan1097]

Originally Posted by JaneS

Speaking of which one of DS's friends was just cut. Yup, at the age of almost 3 b/c his father reconsidered and wanted it done. Isn't that :Puke

Poor kid. My son would've remembered even to this day- 8 1/2- to tell the tale!

[kittywitty]

Alrightly, I am new to this whole Leaky gut thing. I need HELP! There is too much to wade through!

My dd (1.5yo) has been having "issues" since she was born. Blotchy and covered in rashes, constantly sick. Colicky. So I did the elimination diet and she got 100% better when I cut out milk for awhile. She is still bf, and it seems like the older she gets, the more sensitive she is to the dairy. Usually, she seems to get symptoms a day or two after I eat something suspicious. I try to avoid things at all costs, but with cross contamination, you never know. I have even started becoming sensitive to milk and if I even get the slightest bit of whey in me I get GI problems immediately.

Over the past 1.5 months she has been getting outbreaks almost constantly. She first is really cranky and says her belly and butt hurts, then she is gassy, she gets a rash on her bottom that starts like a light pink, tiny spotted "lacey" rash on her privates, and then they get redder and more concentrated and looking more "hive-like", then it gets really sore and she won't sit down. Sometimes they bleed and we give her benadryl because she is in so much pain. And that helps tremendously. Then she gets nasal symptoms, diarrhea, weird light colored poops, sometimes mucousy and stringy. Then it goes away. This lasts 3-6 days, sometimes more depending on severity.

Her scratch test was negative, but they accidently pressed too hard on her milk one and made her bleed. By the time we left the allergist, she said that her butt hurts and she ended up with a horrible reaction, and we gave her benadryl just so that she would stop screaming all day.

Sometimes her rash spreads up her stomach and looks lacy or spotty like hives, and it almost always moves down her thighs as well, and up her butt and to her lower back.

I don't know what to do. I was reading a lot on the leaky gut and remembered one of the docs we went to said that at one stage of her rash that it looked "yeasty", but she certainly has never had a yeast infection, and I recall something about yeast having a role in leaky gut somewhere, but now I can't find the info.

And I must admit, the restictions I have seen for treating leaky gut diet wise are very intimidating. No wheat? You might as well strike me dead on the spot. I gave up dairy, but bread? I would die. It makes me think about how horrible the Adkins diet is (no offense if you like it, but I have read too much about how horrible it is and I have seen many people suffering health wise from it personally).

So what do you eat/do to treat leaky gut?

MT, I'm counting on you, here, help a girl out!!

[Gale Force]

Originally Posted by JaneS

You ALWAYS crack me up! How goes the Summer of Austerity? What are you eating?

This week was not as austere as it should have been, so I hesitate to weigh. I am consuming a lot of raw milk and very low carb dishes otherwise. And the water kefir drinks.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Unfortunately dnw826, I'm not the expert on this. There are a lot of us trying to make sense out of a subject that is so new that few medical people even know what probiotics are outside of yoghurt, let alone the importance of gut flora in general. Some docs think that bacteria are "bad" in principle and see all types as a nail that has to be whacked with the an antibiotic hammer.

The bit that confuses me is that when yeast, or dysbiosis happens, they think that is something "new" rather than a result of the hammer they used which accidentally chain-sawed up something else.

Everything I've done has been error and trial. Sometimes I'm not sure what has worked so maybe I make another error.

It's very frustrating all round, and sometimes you feel like throwing your hands up in disgust. Well, I do.

Not long ago, a friend of mine was so depressed about something similar, we looked at each other and shrugged and I said "Let's go out... What do you feel like eating?"

And she said "I just want a huge steak and horrible greasy chips."

So I had chinese chow mein, she had a huge steak and horrible greasy chips and a week of a vast variety of normal things, and... in her case she came right. So sometimes I wonder if when we narrow horizons too far, we shoot ourselves in the foot.

So I've started to feel that if I like the smell of something or look of something, then I will eat it. Which means that today, I've had a bowl full of water melon, rock melon and a slice of icecream, two pieces of sourdough and a slice of real cheese. And 6 chocolate brazil nuts

We will see if I pay for any of that tomorrow

So I tend to get right back to basics, and just try to do simple things well. Sometimes that works, and sometimes it doesnt.

[Annikate]

I've been glued to this thread since yesterday. Here's a quote from MT re: selenium & candida. (Plus other things.) Thought I'd share.

What does selenium deficiency do? Well, with a deficiency, there is a reduction in the activity of the enzyme gluthathione peroxidase, and this results in reduced immune function, which has its greatest effect on the helper T dependent cells and production of Ig.M is impaired. Which is important since IgM is one of the front line Th1 antibodies which is made in the early stages of an infection.

Deficiency in selenium or Vitamin E also show reduced natural killer cell activity. (So why isn't Bradstreet looking at this? )Neutrophils and macrophages from animals with a selenium deficiency show low glutathione peroxidase activity and a failure to kill ingested candida yeast, yet bacteria killing may remain okay. (so why isn't Bradstreet looking at that?)

With regard to the enzymes. Glutathione is essential for
-detoxification and liver function
-effective immune response
-antioxidant defence
-male fertility (in my experience, low sperm counts can be turned around by organic diets, Vit E, Selenium and a multi-vitamin. Only problem (for some women) is a reported increase in male libido.......)
-blood sugar metabolism
-blood pressure regulation
-tumour inhibition
-inhibition of thrombus formation in diabetes
-prevention of neurodegenrative disorders like Alheimers disease, Parkinson disease, Huntington's chorea, stroke and brain trauma.

Effective Glutathione is important for T cell proliferation, development of large CD8+ T cells, cytotoxic T cell activity and production of CD16+ natural killer cells. Which results in poor response to antigen presentation, and weak immune responses to infectious agents.

Glutathion protects and repairs liver tissue under severe acute and chronic alcohol exposure (not that using it gives you an excuse to abuse even more )

Selenium protects against the toxic effects of the pollutants cadmium, and mercury. It helps prevent chromosome breakage in tissue culture...

It is interesting that children suffering from malnutrition fail to grow when given a recuperative diet, IF THAT DIET IS SELENIUM DEFICIENT, because selenium is necessary for protein synthesis.

While it protects against the toxic effects of the pollutant cadmium, and mercury from all sources, it also increases the effectiveness of vitamin E, and it reduces the chances of all types of cancer. In communities where selenium intake is low, the cancer rate is high.

An adequate intake of selenium for animals is 200 parts per billion, and this is probably sufficient for man. But I don't know how to translate that into a dose. So I wouldn't go beyond 200 mcgs. It is however, crucial for the proper functioning of the human body being a primary promoter of human cells mitosis/meiosis, and human "growth".

In animals selenium deficiency is directly related to nutritional muscular dystrophy, spontaneous swelling and haemorrhages, pancreatic atrophy, liver necrosis and infertility.

It appears to be stored in the liver, and remains constant in the blood until these stores are depleted...

It is the basis of the unique enzyme system Glutathion eperoxidase, which destroys peroxides before they can attack cellular membranes, while the vitamin E acts within the membrane itself preventing the oxidation of membrain lipids.... peroxidase activity represent overal selenium status... anemia in premature infants have been attributed to reduced glutathione activity in erythrocytes. Selenium does not substitute for sulphur in the body, as was once thought... but has a unique biochemical function.

Men have large stores of selenium, and secrete it in seminal fluids.

Selenosis is very rare. Too much selenium, generally absorbed from inorganic salts or from organic compounds in plants, produces toxic symptoms, as it is one of the most poisonous elements in the universe.

These include loss of hair, nails and teeth; dermatitis; lassitude and progressive paralysis. Acute poisoning causes fever 103 - 105... Increased respiratory and capillary rate, gastroenteritis, myelitis, anorexia and even death...

Veg food souces are brewer's yeast, garlic, brocolli, mushrooms, liver, shellfish, Brazil nuts and eggs. Animal sources are richer than vegetables. All foods lose selenium in processing. Brown rice has 15x the amount of selenium as white rice, and whole wheat bread twice as much selenium as white.

[quelindo]

Originally Posted by moonshine

New Mama, how are you doing with your diet changes? I saw your post on the NT thread, but thought that I would ask you here, as I am more on this thread than that one.

Thanks for asking!

Well, as you know, I'm an SCD drop-out. :

But the changes I've made (yogurt made with raw milk, kefir from water kefir grains, soaking my muesli the night before and adding CO, eating cheese and eggs once again, having any bread I eat be sprouted grain or sourdough, taking CLO) have been great. I'm really enjoying eating this way and I've noticed a few changes: my poop is firm (sorry if TMI) -- I always thought it was so great that it was kind of loose because I never had any problems with constipation, but it wasn't an issue in the other direction, but now what I've learned about mineral absorption I'm thinking this is much healthier -- and I don't feel bloated as much as I used to.

But my son still has the rashy, pimply bumps (not colored) on his cheeks and arms. And although my acne seems better right now, it's not totally gone. Those things along with red bumps on the back of my upper arms (which I've had my whole life) have just prompted me to try upping my dose of the Blue Ice CLO to 2 Tbsp. a day. Is that okay to do while nursing (my son is almost exclusively BF)? And can I also give him a little bit of it?

So I feel good about the changes I've made and hope to do more. I don't have anywhere close to the issues that some of you poor ladies and your babes have, so I'm thinking that adding in probiotics, soaking my grains, and doing a few of the other NT-type things may be enough.

[quelindo]

Can anyone recommend a zinc supplement? MT cited a few articles in another thread that linked long-term hormone use (as in BC pills) with zinc deficiency. I was on the pill for ten years before TTC my son. I have been taking a zinc supplement but it's just whatever my HFS had so I'm not sure how effective it is.

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by Momtezuma Tuatara

Yeah.

But you know what is interesting to me?

Parents who have vaccine reactions often have kids who have WORSE vaccine reactions.

So something is passed down, through generational habits, nutrition, immune system or whatever...

I defintely do think there's some sort of a genetic component, like a genetic susceptibility maybe, but it generally has to be triggered by something to actually show up (hopefully I don't sound too much like those pro-vax advocates who say a baby seizing, etc after a vax was inevitable, IYKWIM, cuz that's not what I'm saying at all). But it's not always genetic (at least not apparently so) as my family and DH's have no history of allergies and my DD has food intolerances...