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post #41 of 158
Just to clarify: I was not intending to jump on anyone here at all.
post #42 of 158
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Originally Posted by UnschoolnMa
Just to clarify: I was not intending to jump on anyone here at all.
Just to clarify, i wasn't referencing you, mama. You stated a basic fact without judgement for either side. As usual, you rock!
post #43 of 158
I didn't watch the video. I HAD a csection & it was not a bad experience FOR ME. I recovered quickly, blah blah blah... I have seen csections performed on documentaries, though- & they aren't any more violent than other surgeries- a breast implant comes to mind- holy smokes, I would never have plastic surgery after watching Dr. 90210! But I understand that some people do choose to have it.

Some people choose to, or are forced to, have csections. Whether or not you think that is a valid choice, it IS a choice, & it should be respected.
post #44 of 158
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Originally Posted by HoosierDiaperinMama
Uh, it's not much of a picnic for those of us who have to endure them either. No need to throw up over the disgust that some women have c-sections for legitimate reasons. Like because they are dying!!! :
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Thinking of Reagan...
post #45 of 158
Ok, so that was my very first time actually 'seeing' a C/S. (ya know, other then on a baby story where its all blured out and crap)


THANK YOU OP FOR THE LINK.


My DSs will appreciate being able to watch it.
My oldest just today asked me if I had a video of his birth. Of course being an E-C/S I do not.

If any of you honestly think that is a 'voilent birth' you should see on where a mother or baby are about to die and from the time they roll you in til the baby is OUT is only 5 mins.. now I imagine that would be rather voilent. That took .. what..20 mins from cut to birth.

Thanks again for the link!
post #46 of 158
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Originally Posted by CookieMonsterMommy
Ooh Ooh! I know! Lets jump on the OP and get mad at her anger towards "modern medicine". Lets take it personally and out of context and try to make her feel like an ogre, without 1st asking her to clarify. Sounds like fun!

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Thank you I already feel : : : today so maybe i wasnt as clear as i should have been.
post #47 of 158
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Originally Posted by HoosierDiaperinMama
Look, a c-section saved my life when my daughter was already dead inside of me and I was dying as well. Maybe I shouldn't have replied as I'm PMS'ing, but it's irritating to constantly hear how violent, horrifying, and disgusting c-sections are. Like other posters have mentioned, what surgery is a bed of roses?
FWIW i do "know" you from the loss threads. I am now dealing with my own loss and infertility issues - possibly from more stupid things they did during my cs. I had a cs and i found it horrfying and violent. I found the video was also horrifying and violent. I think it could have been "better" if the mother and baby were possibly treated with some respect and dignity. I do feel sad even for necessary cs but even more so for unecessary ones.
post #48 of 158
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Originally Posted by a-sorta-fairytale
I found the video was also horrifying and violent. I think it could have been "better" if the mother and baby were possibly treated with some respect and dignity. I do feel sad even for necessary cs but even more so for unecessary ones.
I though the video was very well done.. it was extremely educational.. hence the reason I will show it to my 7, 9, and 11 yr old boys tomorrow. This is a part of life. Some women (people in general, not just speaking of C/S births) canNOT avoid the knife in a life or death situation.

How could it have been done "better"? How were the mother and or baby treated with disrespect and no dignity?

The doctor referred to the mother by name.... she was not just another body laying under his knife.

I just dont get it.

I am not pointing fingers here at all.. but perhaps anyone who was 'offended' by this educational video of a c/s birth should really dig deeper into their own soul and find out what the ture nature of their feelings are.
post #49 of 158
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Originally Posted by Tummy
I though the video was very well done.. it was extremely educational.. hence the reason I will show it to my 7, 9, and 11 yr old boys tomorrow. This is a part of life. Some women (people in general, not just speaking of C/S births) canNOT avoid the knife in a life or death situation.

How could it have been done "better"? How were the mother and or baby treated with disrespect and no dignity?

The doctor referred to the mother by name.... she was not just another body laying under his knife.

I just dont get it.

I am not pointing fingers here at all.. but perhaps anyone who was 'offended' by this educational video of a c/s birth should really dig deeper into their own soul and find out what the ture nature of their feelings are.
I thought the very rough yanking of the baby was a bit vulgar. I didnt see him interact with the mother at all. HE just seemed "off" to me. Like she wasnt a real person. Even the ob who did my cs talked to me a few times explaining things like "okay now i am about to take your baby out. Her head is out." And that baby seemed to be really roughly handled. Couldnt they have waited for this new tiny being to be held for a bit before checking her leg movement and hip rotation. I understand the need to get her pinked up but the other stuff could have waited.
AND if this is how he appears while on camera i cant imagine how he would be without people watching.
post #50 of 158
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I thought the very rough yanking of the baby was a bit vulgar.
Have you ever seen the manipulation of a babys head, shoulders, arms, entire body during a vaginal birth?

I have this dirty nasty man exposing himself to me.. pictured in my head when I think of the word 'vulgar'

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I didnt see him interact with the mother at all. HE just seemed "off" to me. Like she wasnt a real person. Even the ob who did my cs talked to me a few times explaining things like "okay now i am about to take your baby out. Her head is out."
She and her husband had agreed to this doc.video, they said that at the beginning. I understand what you are saying, but the doctor(s) were not doing a doc on how to have a conversation with the mother during surgery.

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And that baby seemed to be really roughly handled. Couldnt they have waited for this new tiny being to be held for a bit before checking her leg movement and hip rotation. I understand the need to get her pinked up but the other stuff could have waited.
I am sorry, but I must laugh at this.. after having birthed 3 children in a hosp and 2 at home its just funny that you would say that.. I have NEVER seen (and I have been present for 9 births other then my own, 1 HB) hosp staff handle a baby with gentle hands and love immediately after birth, they are rough and get the job done.

I am most certain that my son was not 'handled with care' at birth, and I am glad he was not given the reason for my E-C/S!
post #51 of 158
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I thought the very rough yanking of the baby was a bit vulgar. I didnt see him interact with the mother at all. HE just seemed "off" to me. Like she wasnt a real person. Even the ob who did my cs talked to me a few times explaining things like "okay now i am about to take your baby out. Her head is out." And that baby seemed to be really roughly handled. Couldnt they have waited for this new tiny being to be held for a bit before checking her leg movement and hip rotation. I understand the need to get her pinked up but the other stuff could have waited.
AND if this is how he appears while on camera i cant imagine how he would be without people watching.
He was being filmed for an educational video. He was simply showing the process. I would have found it weird if he would have been chatting to the mother during this video.
post #52 of 158
I dunno...for those that say that people are 'jumping all over' the OP, I don't see how calling that video "The most horrible thing ever" is somehow not going to draw sensitivity and negative reaction.

As others have mentioned, a cesearean section is MAJOR surgery. Operations where the doctor is required to cut through several layers of tissue AND cut into and manipulate something out of a heavily muscled area can't be handled gingerly--otherwise it wouldn't get done, wouldn't be as efficient, and would lead to more damage. All big surgery is this way. If a heart surgeon worried about cutting and retracting every part of the rib cage that needs to be retracted with kid gloves on, they'd be there all day and would be exposing the patient to more danger and exposure. Knee surgery and hip surgery? Same thing. That is like a workout for the doctors and nurses.

Do I blame the OP for her "feelings"? No. I had one "great experience" with a cesarean, but the one for my twins was traumatic to the point that I still haven't been able to write their birth story. I vomited and voided my bowels whenever we passed close by the hosptial for months afterwards (which made going to follow up appointments...interesting) in fear reaction and anxiety. However, when someone calls something "the most horrible thing ever", I kind of find it mildly offensive to see a video of a cesarean section. I think it's more appropriate to say something like, oh, I don't know..."the most horrible bedside manner ever". Or "The most brutal cesarean section I've seen".

But most horrible thing *ever*? I am sorry the OP is hurting, and I can both sympathize and empathize with that. BUT that being said, everyone has their own reactions, and some of the people who have had cesareans are going to be angry when someone refers to any given c-section as "the most horrible thing EVER." I don't think it's any less valid for the mamas that felt stung by that choice of words to speak their mind, than those who are still traumatized by their surgery to express horror (and perhaps project their own experience onto it) at something like that.

Both are valid and and non-competative viewpoints. So I don't think we should jump all over those who felt stung by that phrasing either. Those of us who happen to be semi-to-all crunchy hear that kind of thing quite a lot, and if one ever develops a thicker skin for people constantly professing there pity and horror over your kids' birth I know I'm sure as hell not there yet.

And you hear it a lot. I've heard those kind of pitying statements (well meaning as they are) almost as much as I've heard the question "Are they twins?" Some people are going to have a kneejerk reaction to it.
post #53 of 158
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Originally Posted by a-sorta-fairytale
I am sorry that seeing a mother torn up and treated like meat makes me sick to my stomach. I am sorry that seeing a baby yanked up by her tiy little feet makes me have a panic attack.
post #54 of 158
I think the best thing that could come from this video is to for healthy pregnant women to realize that choosing a c section out of convenience isn't always the best option. It's not very gentle on the baby and quite rough on the woman's body. But at the same time to realize that thankfully we have that option if needed.

I do feel that doctors recommend them more often then needed. I had to argue with my doc to have a natural birth because of a large uterine fibroid. I read every book I could get my hands on relating to the subject and after talking with midwives and my research, I went with the natural route. Doctors are trained to see things go wrong. Midwives the opposite. They were cautious but still felt I could do this safely. And my 9lb 4oz baby came out just fine. So Again I think the docs over recommend so it's up to the woman to do her part of the research.
post #55 of 158
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Originally Posted by a-sorta-fairytale
I had a cs. It was necessary BUT my baby suffered a stroke because of it. She has been permanently harmed.
If you don't mind sharing more about your daughter's birth, I would be very grateful to hear more details about what happened to cause her to have a stroke from being sectioned.

I have always wondered exactly what could go wrong during a section that would result in permanent harm or death for the *baby*, since all of the risks listed for babies born by section don't sound life threatening for the most part. The only risk I've ever questioned was respirtory issues, esp in sectioned babies born prematurely. Otherwise, I've honestly never heard of a baby having a stroke as a direct result of a section, so you've peaked my curiousity since I also birth by section.

If you feel more comfortable PM'ing me, that's fine. Or if you just don't wish to go into further details, I absolutely understand and respect that as well.
post #56 of 158
I couldnt' get the video to play (we have dial up here).
I had a beautiful c-section, truley beautiful. I think however it depends SOOOO much on your caregiver. I had a spinal that didn't take (can you say OUCH!!) my OB knew it didn't take, she repeatedly asked if I wanted a general but she was not going to force me--now way was I missing Miss Molly being born!! I was able to witness the entire thing though, they lowered the drape and had a nurse hold up a mirror. As for rough handling, I think a lot of it (even in vag births) is that baby is SLIPPERY!!

Anyway, here's a pic from my c-section as Molly was being pulled out.
http://ca.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/com...52.jpg&.src=ph

All that said, I totally understand the OP as well, some things just really shock certain people. You name the medical procedure, I'm cool assissting with it--unless it's an eyeball--I couldnt' even put drops in dh's eye when he injured it at work--and while we were at emerg and the doc was scraping the metal fragments out of his eye--I had to run to the bathroom to puke So for me, I'd take 10 c-section if you can spare me one eye procedure!!
post #57 of 158
Isn't that the message board way, CookieMonsterMommy?
post #58 of 158
Video isn't loading for me.
post #59 of 158
that was the first c-section i have ever seen (without the curtain) and i felt a bit bored with the beginning and then was shocked to realize i was physically pushing when they were birthing the baby, then i was laughing because the poor dear looked so silly with just her little bum sticking out (i happen to think my own children look funny when just their heads are out too), and then i was crying when she was born.
i expected to be shocked or maybe quesy, but it was a baby afterall, and i just felt happy to see a baby born.
i wonder if there is any such thing as a gentle c-section birth? i wonder how different an emergency c-section must be? i don't guess that they would be taking so much care. is there a greater risk of injury in a emergency? i always imagined that they just cut the tummy and pulled out a baby. guess i am naive... there is a lot of stuff in there.
i am not condoning c-section for convenience sake, and no offense to the op, you are entitled to your feelings, but i am surprised that i feel the beauty of that birth. i suppose that if i saw a video of a vaginal birth as traumatic as my first, i would probably feel differently than others about that video.
anyway, thank you for sharing the link. i am glad i watched it.
post #60 of 158
i thought it was cool! i love modern medicine. my dd was born by cs to save her life and mine and i thank god for that.
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