Probiotics for food allergies and eczema - Page 2

[Mynn]

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[JaneS]

Originally Posted by mclisa

cabbage juice slurpie

do you make that??? What does it involve??? Please satisfy my curiousity!!!

Sorry, I didn't see this until now! Here you are:

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...&postcount=493

[Mom2Adam]

Sorry to Hijack...my 10 week old suddenly has a rash that I am not convinced is eczema. It is all over his face, arms and legs - teeny tiny white bumps that you can feel. No weeping, crusting, etc. Not red. Doesn't seem to hurt him.

This started about 2 - 3 weeks ago. I just eliminated dairy from my diet 2-3 days ago - no visible improvement. I am taking Omega 3's and B complex and will start some probiotics tomorrow. For those who have been fighting the eczema battle...does this sound like eczema to you? I've done some searching online and can't find anything definitive.

Also, I am considering moving towards eliminating other foods (wheat and eggs).

We CD, BF and I double rinse all clothing/bedding. :

Thanks for the probiotic info...and for any info you can share...

Traci

[cobluegirl]

it isn't hives?

[Wolfmeis]

Traci, you're describing hives.

[fconnolly1019]

Recipe?

[QUOTE=JaneS]

Also sauerkraut for L. Plantarum. There is some cabbage juice slurpie that one is supposed to drink for candida...


Do you have the recipe for the cabbage drink? Do you make your own sauerkraut or use the store bought kind?

thanks ....

my 7 month old son has severe eczema on his face and arm. has had it for 4 months now. we do not want to use steroid creams on him and are everything bofore doing that. he is breastfed so i would try the drink or sauerkraut and see if it helps him at all.

[JaneS]

See post no. 22 above for recipe.

Have you seen "The Eczema Tribe" thread? Lots of info. there.

[mahrphkjh]

Originally Posted by Mom2Adam

Sorry to Hijack...my 10 week old suddenly has a rash that I am not convinced is eczema. It is all over his face, arms and legs - teeny tiny white bumps that you can feel. No weeping, crusting, etc. Not red. Doesn't seem to hurt him.

This started about 2 - 3 weeks ago. I just eliminated dairy from my diet 2-3 days ago - no visible improvement. I am taking Omega 3's and B complex and will start some probiotics tomorrow. For those who have been fighting the eczema battle...does this sound like eczema to you? I've done some searching online and can't find anything definitive.

Also, I am considering moving towards eliminating other foods (wheat and eggs).

We CD, BF and I double rinse all clothing/bedding. :

Thanks for the probiotic info...and for any info you can share...

Traci

Could it be dry skin? DS#1 had something similar - keratosis pilaris. Try vitamin E oil directly on the skin.

[ccbloom]

Have any of you tried the HMF Natogen (for infants)? My ND suggested this probiotic for my son (milk intolerance/reflux) and seems to be good stuff. I guess it is supposed to be really effective due to being derived from human strand and not from plant or fungus...therefore it adheres to the intestinal tract much more efficiently? Hmmm either way I have never seen it refered to anywhere else so if anyone has used it please let me know if it worked for ya.(I hope it works cause man oh man is it EXPENSIVE!)

The Jarrow for kids (tablets) hmmmm I am on the fence as to the results...my 3 yr old seems to have sever ezcema flair up for the first time in her life since being on them are they the wrong strand? Not enough of something? I am thinking of switching for her any suggestions for skin conditions-with no confirmed food allergies, just potentially seasonal?

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by ccbloom

Have any of you tried the HMF Natogen (for infants)? My ND suggested this probiotic for my son (milk intolerance/reflux) and seems to be good stuff. I guess it is supposed to be really effective due to being derived from human strand and not from plant or fungus...therefore it adheres to the intestinal tract much more efficiently? Hmmm either way I have never seen it refered to anywhere else so if anyone has used it please let me know if it worked for ya.(I hope it works cause man oh man is it EXPENSIVE!)

Now that a new one to me, very interesting!

Every newborn child should be required to take HLC Neonate. The scientific research is impressive. Those infants taking the probiotic have stronger immune systems, and greatly lowered risk of asthma, allergies, and skin conditions. On ongoing 5 year trial by Pharmax LLC shows that newborns and infants given these HLC probiotics do significantly better than the control group in allergies, asthma, gastrointestinal ailments, and immune system health.

http://www.rockwellnutrition.com/product.asp?itemid=60

I'm so on the fence about FOS though, I've heard both good and bad things about it.

Originally Posted by ccbloom

The Jarrow for kids (tablets) hmmmm I am on the fence as to the results...my 3 yr old seems to have sever ezcema flair up for the first time in her life since being on them are they the wrong strand? Not enough of something? I am thinking of switching for her any suggestions for skin conditions-with no confirmed food allergies, just potentially seasonal?

Which ones, the Yum Yum Dolphilus? The only other Jarrow for kids I found is a multi... ?

[fconnolly1019]

I saw some ezcema treads but I am not sure where to find the Eczema Tribe. I just saw some posts under Allergies. Is that the same thing?

[Mrs.PhD]

Thank you so much for posting this.

My 2 year old has milk and egg allergy. She was exclusively breast feed and we didn't really find it until she was a year old. It presented in a rash around her face and or vomiting (if she had too much). So for a year I eliminated from hers and mine diet. We are letting some back in (mostly my diet since she only nurses once a day now. She was tested again for it back in Feb and was still positive. We hope she will outgrow it (and we have every reason to believe she will.) Still I would like to help her with it anyway I can (hence the continuing to breast feed and not eat it myself.) She has no eczema or asthma problems. Not even dipar rash.

Since coming to MDC a few weeks ago I have been trying to learn as much about probiotics and gut flora (2 totally new terms to me.) but it has been an intense search. I read all of "how not to have an allergic child" thread and I am trying to get through the "Power of probiotics" thread, but my God it is 20 some pages long and you can't just "skim it' also much of the research is above my head (no I am not a PhD, my DH is in Inorganic Chemistry, but he knows nothing about this topic.) As a social worker all of these medical reports are a bit much to digest (pun intended.) :

So anyway thanks for the link. I want to start DD on probiotics (and myself, I believe it will help with my lactose intolerance I have had since my early 20's.) I have no idea where and how to start. I am not ready to start making my own yougart yet, but am interested in the whole area.

I have been desperately trying to find a "probiotics and gut flora for dummies" thread or something like it. I really appreciate any help I can get. I think my head might explode soon. :

[Missy]

Mrs. PhD--Your daughter's positive test combined with a lack of eczema and diaper rash sound like an IgE-mediated allergy (particularly when you consider the vomiting--that's a pretty serious reaction). Even if you're not seeing a reaction with the little dairy she's exposed to right now, please keep in mind that every exposure keeps her immune system revved up. Consistent and constant exposure to an allergen keeps the immune system on hyper-alert and cannot only lead to a delay in outgrowing the allergy, but also to more severe reactions as her system becomes more defensive. In order to give her the best chance of outgrowing the allergy, it's probably best to eliminate all dairy--all traces, all forms. And welcome!

[Mrs.PhD]

Thanks Missy. Her allergist said we could start introducing small amounts and see how she does, she hasn't vomited in a very long time because of milk (minor amounts.) Of course she hasn't had a major amount in a very long time either. I had asked the doctor that if we don't see an reaction is it possiible it is still harming her and she said not really.

Do you think non dairy probiotics will be benifital for her (more then they are for everyone?) Also what would be the best way to start them? She isn't big into soy yogurt, but I can get her to eat one bite of it (and I have to eat the rest.)

[Missy]

How low was her RAST or SPT? We see a couple allergists due to our son's multiple allergies and their impact, including Dr. Wood at Hopkins, and both advocate strict avoidance if we want our son to outgrow anything. The problem is that, as the immune system becomes more reactive, you can't predict when an anaphylactic reaction is going to occur. What was a mild rash one time could be full-ana the next.

As far as probiotics, I think they can benefit any child with allergies. Even if there is no obvious discomfort, the gut has certainly been impacted to some degree and I think we need to give our kids every possible advantage. My son is strange. He generally refuses food he's allergic to, often before we're aware of the allergy, but takes meds. without issue so I don't have any tips; I'm sure someone else will.

Missy

[Mrs.PhD]

When she was tested at 1 year old it was a blood test and a 3 for milk and 2 for eggs.

1 1/2 years was scratch test. I am not sure on the numbers on it. It was clear to me and her dr. she still was allergic though (good news is the peanuts was negitive at that time.)

[wagamama]

Great thread. My 12-month-old has had ezcema (itchy, bumpy red rash) for two months now. I've been giving him a powdered from of probiotics, but lately have read that you need to give enteric-coated capsules, so that the probiotic can survive the stomach acid and reach the intestines. Anyone know if that just marketing hype or is it real?

[cobluegirl]

I have never heard that....BUT that doesn't mean that isnt' perhaps some truth in it..I dunno..perhaps someone else will know...I am sure JaneS will know....

[JaneS]

As far as I know it depends on the particular strain. Some are more resistant than others.

In any event, giving between meals, or after meals, or with meals or snack without a lot of protein to cue more stomach acid production can be helpful. Try giving several times/day too.

[yllek]

I'm glad I found this thread. Ds had a fairly severe allergic reaction to walnuts a couple months ago. DH is a doctor and has been telling me that, other than allergy shots and strict avoidance of the allergen, nothing can be done about IgE-mediated food allergies. Our ped and naturopath pretty much concurred (although the naturopath did give me a few supplements to try). Anyway, to all of them I said, Bah!:

One little factoid I found that might interest the folks here:

Food allergies are caused by the production of antibodies (IgE) against something in the diet. Normally, a substance in our bodies called interleukin 12 (IL-12) prevents this. A recent study showed that consuming Lactobacillus can increase IL-12, decrease IgE antibodies18, and thus help prevent and treat food allergies.19

from http://www.drgreene.com/21_688.html
He gives the following citations for this claim:

18J Allergy Clin Immunol 1998;102:57-64.
19Immunology and Allergy Clinics of North America. August 1999; 19(3).

I keep hoping that with the changes we are making, even if DS remains allergic for the rest of life, I will help to forestall a more severe reaction. The rest of the article is pretty interesting too, although I suspect most it might be old news to the folks on this thread.

Right now, Ds is only eating homemade yogurt, and only half-heartedly at that. I'm hunting down sources for kefir grains. Diet is getting revamped. I'm just trying to learn all I can about probiotics, nutrition, immunology, allergies, etc. I'm also trying to deal with a really picky eater. Just trying to take things one step at a time. Thanks for the thread!