Originally Posted by fourlittlebirds
I'm not glossing over anything. I'm saying that you are wrong, and that under certain conditions certain risks do not exist.
And here we are, back again, to you insisting that certain risks 'do not exist' under these 'conditions'. Ok. I'll give you that.
What you simply *cannot* control with 100% certainty is that you'll actually MEET those 'certain conditions'. And if you happen to fall in the unlucky few who do NOT meet those 'certain conditions' where vaginal tearing 'is not a risk', well you're just out of luck I guess.
|For my part, I don't find it amusing at all that you believe that bodily damage from vaginal birth is an inherent risk for all women. I find it very sad.
It is a *possibility* that you will tear during a vaginal delivery. It absolutely does not HAVE to be a common occurrance, if like you've said, you meet certain conditions (no meds, no coached pushing, likely no pushing flat on back, no need for last minute intervention for baby in distress, etc etc etc).
You simply cannot control ALL of those variables, and for you to continue insisting that it IS somehow possible is what I find odd. It certainly doesn't do any good to the women who DID do everything possible to decrease their risks of complications, yet found themselves facing a 3rd/4th degree tear DESPITE their best efforts. Did they just do something wrong or what?
And to clarify one thing here, you are saying that it is medically IMPOSSIBLE for a baby to go into such severe distress as to necessitate sudden forceps delivery (which we all know can result in significant tearing) as long as mom meets these 'conditions' during labor/pushing? NEVER? It could literally NEVER happen?
Your comment that you'd just have section if baby were in that much trouble doesn't really work in the real world either cause there comes a point where it truly is safer to use forceps to get the baby out vs. going to section since forceps are faster once the baby has come through the birth canal to a certain point. When time is of great importance, tearing mom's vagina/perineum/rectum becomes a secondary concern at best, as it should.