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post #1 of 8
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I need help. Ds is 5 yo, and he's actually violent. I hate to say that, but it's true. He hits, bites, kicks, head-butts, pulls my hair, pokes. And he yells crazily when he's angry, and has such an ugly scary face when he does that. We DO NOT hit/hurt him. But that hasn't stopped him. Here's the timeline, and some things that I think affected him. I would love advice that isn't "he won't learn to not hit unless you hit him back" (FIL's suggestion).

Ds would hit occasionally, but not often at all, and he could be easily distracted from it. It got worse as he got sicker last spring. He has diabetes, and last spring was the time when things were getting worse and worse leading up to diagnosis. So, his average blood sugar was 350, and he wasn't feeling well and had trouble expressing it. I have a feeling that that had a lot to do with the hitting. While he was in the hospital, he had a lot of trouble accepting that he needed painful injections (and to top it off, he had two IVs). He was, understandably, very angry about it all. He would kick me with every injection I gave. So dh said "Don't kick your Mama, kick me. It's OK to kick to get your frustration out." We thought it was a good idea at the time, but now I don't know. After that, it became a bigger and bigger problem. It didn't take long before he was outright trying to beat me up, regularly.

Now, in January (this year), we discovered he's gluten intolerant. Removing gluten really improved both his health and his attitude/behavior. And the longer he's off the gluten (and dairy, btw), the better things get, overall. But, he still thinks it's OK to beat on me. And he gets mad and says I'm hurting him when I try to defend myself (by holding him, not hitting back).

So, what we currently do to address this is to hold him and try to keep him from hurting us (he's old enough and big enough that yes, it hurts), and we also remove him to another room to be by himself. This isn't for punishment, but because that is the best way for him to be able to calm down (and we can't talk to him when he's all worked up). We have also talked to him about how it's OK to hit and kick THINGS but not people. And we talk to him about how it makes us feel to have him being so mean to us. We also have talked to him about how some of his friends are starting to be afraid of him (it's true, we're not exagerating). Most of his friends, in fact. Those that he hasn't hit, he's yelled at and tried to hit, and he has beat up on me in front of all of them. It depends on the mother (how she explains things and responds to the situation) how upset they are by the behavior. But even the girl (his best friend, btw) with the most understanding and laid-back mom is a little afraid of him now. It makes me so sad for him.

Things are definitely better now than they were before we removed gluten, but we still have a ways to go. He says he needs to hit and hurt people to "make them understand" something. Last night it was me and my foot being in the wrong place, and he pounded it. He didn't even ask me to move it before pounding it. I don't understand where this comes from. We don't do that to him. Last night we pointed out that when his foot is in the wrong place (like on the table) we don't pound it, we ask him to move it. We also explained that hurting someone in order to "make them understand" only teaches them that he is mean sometimes. I'm hoping that our talk last night will change things, but I don't know.

Oh, and we thank him when he addresses a problem calmly. We tell him that we really appreciate it and feel much better about things when he does that. And we point out that everyone (including him) is happier and the problem is resolved more quickly so that he can move on to what he wants to do.

I do know that it's more likely to happen when he's tired, when his blood sugar is high (or low, sometimes), and when he's excited about something. I am sometimes able to head it off knowing this, but really, sometimes I can't. Those are a lot of things to try to avoid!

Distracting does not work. He gets really, really into this behavior. It can go on for a long time. Reasoning also doesn't work. He's really focused, and he's already "in the moment". In order to reason with him at all, we have to remove him from the room and let him have time by himself to calm down. Then we can reason with him some. But he does his best to distract himself from listening to us. When he does that, we leave and come back in a few minutes and try again. This can just go on, and on, and on.... some days. With him hitting me when I'm talking to him (for which I also leave), distracting himself, talking over me.

Sometimes I'm just at my wit's end over this. And it makes me really worry about ttc. We've been (casually) ttc, and sometimes I wonder if it's just a really bad idea. What if he hurts the baby?? And what if his having to share the attention makes things worse?? He says he really wants a sibling (he's been asking for one since he was 2 1/2). But I know that he doesn't realize all that it means.

Please give me some ideas about how to help him learn better ways to express himself and to work through problems. For all of our sakes.

Christie

ETA: Thought I should make it clear, he really is a very sweet kid the rest of the time. Very intelligent, too (which might be contributing?). I feel like going gluten-free has mostly given us our boy back, but I'd like to stop this so that we can have the rest of him back.
post #2 of 8
I'm not very experienced with this issue, but Aletha Solter speaks at length about violent children in Tears and Tantrums. I really got alot out of that book and I recommend it.

The other thing that comes to mind is that are you sure all of the gluten is out of his diet, cooking materials, etc? I've read about how important that is. DD is also gluten intolerant and I've found that I have to be really careful for her not to have a reaction.

Also have you tried Bach Rescue Remedy? It's helpful to us, I don't know if it would be helpful to you?

Have you read about the Feingold Program? It's a diet for ADHD. Maybe that would help???

Sorry I don't have better suggestions. ((((ChristieB))))
post #3 of 8
Mama, I admire you for keeping with non-violient ways in the face of this.This is a problem that is probably going to take a while to fix. You have already taken the right steps in looking at his diet. I think the next step is to find a psychiatrist that is gp friendly and have a pyschological work up done on him to make sure he is not suffering from something biological that is contributing to this behavior. Hang in there.
post #4 of 8
Have you ever read the Explosive Child? I'm not on-board with some of it, but there's a good amount of helpful information that I found very interesting. I would second the Feingold diet, too. We saw a huge improvement in all of our lives w/this! How dairy-free are y'all, completely? I've found even tiny amounts of dairy affect my ds1 to an amazing extent.

Have y'all talked about the feelings building up to the angry point? Like labeling emotions that are occurring that lead up to anger and steps he can take to get his needs met before it gets to the point-of-no-return? I think one of the terms that's coming to mind is "emotion-coaching.." I've gotta run, but wanted to let you know I can really empathize with you
post #5 of 8
I don't think this is like a child who is just violent. He has been traumatized by his experiences with his illness. I would get help, from a professional on this one, although I usually wouldn't advocate for therapy...because I think he is finding it hard to express his anger, frustration and his feeling of helplessness from what happened.
You are a great mama, but I think you may need a little extra help. ALso, how are you doing after going through this? It sounds like you guys went through a really hard time there. If there is any way to help process and work through your experiences for you both, that would be good.

It seems like he learned to deal with his frustration by hitting, now he needs to relearn his frustration anger response. It seems like certain situations trigger his old feelings of helplessness and anger, this prob needs to be redirected and an outside person may be able to help with this.
Of course, I guess that diet etc. might help as well, good luck with this, it's not your fault and it will work out.
post #6 of 8
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Thank you everyone! I have limited time now, but I'd like to respond to a few things. I think that we have the gluten out, no contamination. We've cleaned the whole house, a friend came to help me clean the kitchen. We didn't quite finish yet, but we cleaned the counters and obvious things, and we cleaned the cupboards that had the worst of it (in fact, we cleaned all the cupboards that had anything with gluten in them before). And I cleaned the oven (cleaned it first, then ran it throught the self clean cycle for the longest it would allow -- while we were gone from the house, with the windows open) There's still some oats in glass jars (I don't open them) and a bag of puffed kamut (sealed in a ziplock bag). Otherwise, the gluten is gone. We are eating no grain, period, right now, and no prepared products that might be contaminated. I don't use my wonderful cast iron griddles any more. I use my cast iron skillets for making my pancakes (SCD recipe), because I never cooked gluten in them. There are some things that I still need to do, and some things I still need to look into to see if certain kitchen utensils are OK, but I don't use anything that I question, and they are not in the house (they're being stored at present). He probably has some expsures when we go to the store (he loves to touch things in the bulk isle : ). But exposures are extremely limited.

We have no dairy whatsoever in our diet. Dh and I eat ghee (this brand is certified casien-free) but ds does not currently, because we couldn't figure out from observing him if it's OK. So we use coconut oil instead.

We are basically on the Feingold diet, as I understand it. We never have allowed the food additives listed in our house (or our son). I don't know about the foods with natural salicylates, but after taking ds off of gluten and dairy, we started realizing some other foods were problematic, so we eliminated those, too. In fact, we put him on an elimination diet of sorts (we cut back to foods we were absolutely sure were OK, and then after a week or two we started cautiously adding back one food at a time, and we kept, and still keep, meticulous notes).

BTW, we also live in a very clean environment, and we're very careful about personal care items, cleaning products (I make my own), etc.

Thank you for the book recommendations. I'll definitely look into those.

As for Bach Rescue Remedy, we haven't tried it. Is it a homeopathic? Our homeopath gave us a remedy to use when ds is in a rage, which helps, but he sometimes refuses to take it (and, in fact, I need to get some more because he recently dumped it all on the floor).

We have pretty much avoided taking him to a professional. We don't exactly trust the medical profession (too many bad experienses). But maybe it's time to bite the bullet.

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It seems like he learned to deal with his frustration by hitting, now he needs to relearn his frustration anger response.
Yes, I've said to dh that I think he got into some bad habits, but you said it better.

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It seems like certain situations trigger his old feelings of helplessness and anger.
Very insightful! Thank you!

And thank you all for your support. It means a lot!

Christie
post #7 of 8
Thread Starter 
Oops! I spent longer on that reply than I thought, and my bath came within a centemeter of overflowing.

Christie
post #8 of 8
Hi,

It seems like you've done everything "right" -- diet, non-violent parenting, careful observation and monitoring, and you still don't have the problem under control. In my book, when that happens, it's time to involve a professional. Maybe your naturopath can recommend someone you would have confidence in?

I second the recommendation for the Explosive Child. Friends of mine have a son who sounds a bit like yours and they found the book very helpful. alas, their school district is convinced that he's "chosing" these behaviors, and so they are homeschooling next year.

But an outside opinion, by someone who knows what they're doing and can address the whole child, his trauma(s), and his issues might be a big help.
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