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post #1 of 19
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No, it's not any term I got from anywhere else - it's more a concept of how I try to parent (try being the operative word - it is a daily pursuit in personal growth).

The thing about Zen is that it's all about process. To focus on the outcome is to become attached and try to manipulate a situation for our own benefit. There are times when this is entirely appropriate - we are guardians of our children after all - safety and hygiene are pretty essential to health and well being.

But in terms of 'discipline' I think cultivating a healthy sense of detachment from obtaining a specific outcome can be very liberating for parents and empowering for children. This is what I mean by having a process focus. Reading here I see others share this philosophy but refer to it by many other terms (none of which are coming to me in this moment - sorry!). I notice a lot of discussion about expectations and that is getting into the territory I describe here, but not all the way.

And it doesn't mean that household tasks and children's chores don't get done. In fact, being process focused in our household very well guarantees that they do, because theyare part of our daily routine and the children have come to be very familiar with them! Yet, it's all a part of being 'in the NOW' and savouring the moment we're in. Adopting a more process focus has permitted me a more spontaneous and creative approach to parenting that my children (and husband) appreciate. OK, I'm not perfect and I lapse into having expectations and making demands just about every day. But the important thing is I keep working on it. That's what process is all about.

Without writing a novel, I'll try to summarise my philosophy by pointing out that none of us became parents for the sake of having a healthy well adjusted child as an outcome. We became parents because we wanted the learning that comes with having baby-chaos in our lives. We wanted the process of becoming a parent, the process of watching our baby grow and become gradually more independent, the process of transformation that comes with such an ongoing, life-changing experience. You cannot obtain an outcome without giving due consideration to the process. Parenting is about the journey.

Sounds all waffley and air-fairy now that I write it. But some examples of it in functional terms:

Outcome: Potty training
Process: Elimination communication

Outcome: Healthy eating
Process: Modelling and provision of healthy choices

Outcome: Tidy home
Process: Daily domestic ritual

Outcome: Sibling harmony
Process: Permitting space for psycho-social learning and mistake-making


.... the list goes on. I suppose when I think of the word 'discipline' I interpret it as applying to myself rather than to my children. I know I'm not the only one here who sees it this way. Can we start a discussion here that might help to articulate the difference between process and outcome? I realise I'm using language that is foreign to this forum and might be hard to understand.
post #2 of 19
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From a zen perspective I just wanted to share that it took me hours to formulate the post above - with constant interruption from the children for toileting, painting set up and clean up, fixing lunch, cleaning up lego, putting baby to bed and sweeping play doh from the floor. :

Even with a post-edit, it still doesn't communicate what I originally set out to attempt to communicate. Oh well.
post #3 of 19
This has given me good food for thought. I appreciate you posting it. Too often, I am focused on outcome only, and forget that the process is a necessary - and should be most important - aspect of everything I do in my parenting.
post #4 of 19
I used to feel that I was fairly successful at following a "Zen" way of living, a general Zen demeanor, etc., but I have fallen far from the tree. I yearn to recapture all of the Zen qualities you listed above and more. Thank you for inspiring me to make it a daily focus. I'm not sure that I have anything to add to the discussion but I wanted to let you know that your post really touched me.
post #5 of 19
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Phew! So it makes sense then!
post #6 of 19
Hey, wow! My husband and I were just talking about this, in just this language, last night. He's an improv instructor and performer, and he often spends time teaching kids in schools to value the process of creating rather than the product of the scene.

The reason this came up is that one of my son's friends was hit by his father when we were at his house yesterday. It was much scarier than I thought it would be. Somehow I was prepared for ds to see a stranger hitting, but I think it shook us both up to see our dear toddler friend being hit. And for ds it seemed like the first realization that parents hit kids. I was so sad about this, for all of us, and was processing it with dh. His theory was that mainstream discipline teaches parents that they have to mold the familiy into the "good" end of the spectrum and away from the "bad" end of the spectrum (using parent's needs, not kids' needs, to decide what's 'good' and 'bad'), when really it's about developing a relationship to support each other no matter where on the spectrum we are, whether it's a good day or bad day, whether we're happy or upset. In short, it's about the process of encountering each other rather than trying to control results. Just what you were describing, right? I think this is really important.

Our culture teaches us that in order to be safe we have to be able to control things. Trauma can send us to that place, too. But the reality is that in order to be safe we only need to be able to meet each moment with attention and responsiveness, with our hearts grounded in our priorities, and let go of being able to control the outcome. Whatever the outcome is, it's how we meet it that will most affect us, and our kids.

I, of course, fall short of that all the time. BUT I think I may be getting better at being gentle with myself about it, in honor of the process that I am. I've been working on that, anyway... Thanks for sharing your work on it.
post #7 of 19
I like it! And I does make sense

I think I need to adopt "Daily domestic ritual" process for myself
post #8 of 19
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Our culture teaches us that in order to be safe we have to be able to control things. Trauma can send us to that place, too. But the reality is that in order to be safe we only need to be able to meet each moment with attention and responsiveness, with our hearts grounded in our priorities, and let go of being able to control the outcome. Whatever the outcome is, it's how we meet it that will most affect us, and our kids.
Mbravebird - yes, yes, YES!! You put is so much more articulately than I did!


Not to be too outcome-focused I find I have a much more ready sense of humor and a greater tolerance for the unexpected when I can find my zen parent. ECing my youngest has been a fantastic exercise in parenting moment to moment - to the benefit of the whole family, not just my baby daughter.
post #9 of 19
Yep, mindfulness of the moment is a really good thing. Have you read Zen Parenting?
post #10 of 19
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No, I haven't read Zen Parenting. Have you?

Sounds like I should.
post #11 of 19
Yep! It's been a bit, but I remember enjoying it. Amazon should have it I think.
post #12 of 19
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Originally Posted by mbravebird
Our culture teaches us that in order to be safe we have to be able to control things. Trauma can send us to that place, too. But the reality is that in order to be safe we only need to be able to meet each moment with attention and responsiveness, with our hearts grounded in our priorities, and let go of being able to control the outcome. Whatever the outcome is, it's how we meet it that will most affect us, and our kids.
This is what I'm struggling with right now. I'm doing so well with my GD. However when it doesn't produce the results (outcome) I'm expecting to get, I get angry & my GD goes out the window. It really is a whole process to get this under your belt & feel like you're doing it right. So how does one remain un-attached to the outcome? I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around that one.
post #13 of 19
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Originally Posted by ZanZansMommy
So how does one remain un-attached to the outcome? I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around that one.
You know, recently my son was listening to Allen Watts (i think that's the right name ) about meaning of life. So by him the meaning of life compared to dancing as in "you don't dance with the goal of getting from one place of the room to another. You just... dance for the joy of it"

Can that be used for "Zen parenting"?
post #14 of 19
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Originally Posted by ZanZansMommy
I'm doing so well with my GD. However when it doesn't produce the results (outcome) I'm expecting to get, I get angry & my GD goes out the window. It really is a whole process to get this under your belt & feel like you're doing it right. So how does one remain un-attached to the outcome? I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around that one.
Sometimes I think of the emotionally good things I offer my child as the same as the physically good things -- so, offering him empathy is the same as offering him nutritious food. I do it because it's what he needs, not because of what he does with it. At the same time, however, the reason it's what he needs is because he will eventually use it. I think that's where it's hard to not get excited, or hopeful, about results. But the food analogy helps me. Accepting his emotions even when they're bugging me, or reasoning when I would rather demand, is like giving him a plate of organic, lightly steamed vegetables. Of course, sometimes I serve frozen pizza. And sometimes I lose my temper.

Have you all ever had the experience that when you "mess up" with someone interpersonally, if you take responsibility and work it out, you actually end up closer and with more trust in each other? I think that is an example of process, too -- of meeting a situation with one's best, not because you're guaranteed results, but because it feels most congruent with your values about people and relationships.

Am I rambling? Trying to think too much on too little steam. My son is dropping a big rock in his glass of water (real glass), gotta go...
post #15 of 19
I too often find myself slipping into that outcome focused parenting.

This is a wonderful reminder, thanks
post #16 of 19
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I LOVE mbravebird's food analogy. The thing about process is, it's cumulative. So there will be no observable results for some time.

It's also nice to know that we can have the occasional junk meal without totally blowing the diet. Or, in my own case, the occasional parental meltdown doesn't over-ride the majority of good parenting I have managed to provide. I don't beat myself up too much about it. Tomorrow is another day.

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So how does one remain un-attached to the outcome? I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around that one.
I think it requires a big-picture approach. It's not a parenting book, but Don't Sweat The Small Stuff is one of my favorite little inspirational books. There are so many strategies in there for cultivating healthy detachment.


I think one of the BIGGEST problems with the process approach on a forum such as this is people come here looking for answers. They want to know what to say or do in certain situations but the reality is that some one else's strategy may not work for them or their child. The best thing about a process focus is that it doesn't provide answers. It can't. It can only point you in the direction to finding your own - which in the end, is that much more sustainable and empowering.
post #17 of 19
Thanks for starting this thread. This sounds like very much what I am trying to acheive or rather how I'm trying to be

Thanks for articulating for me!
post #18 of 19
I get much less frustrated now that I realize that parenting is also zen practice (as is everything- it's not just sitting!).
Thanks for this post!
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