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post #121 of 168
I got my book last week! Yippee!! It has already caused controversy in my household when my visiting inlaws saw it. They are both steeped in the medical culture being professors at Emory University in the Nursing School and Biology departments respectively. I got quite a few skeptical looks, raised eyebrows and snickers.
post #122 of 168
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Originally Posted by lizc
I can not afford to buy my own book. Is there anyone that would be willing to let me borrow theirs? I can pay you for shipping (media mail).

Please please please!
Thanks!
Liz
Pm me, please.

Liz the book isn't for sale..pm MT and if she had any left she will mail one to you.
post #123 of 168
mine arrivied!!!! yippie!!!!!!!!!!!!! *bounces around* i didnt get a fig leaf though
post #124 of 168
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Originally Posted by Momtezuma Tuatara
Besides which I know you will all tell me I can't spell colour, programme and a whole lot of other things right anyway so if I "corrected" them all I'd be here forever...
lol

Im LOVING this book, btw... im halfway through reading it!! and you are beautious.. i love seeing pics of people i talk to online... its cool!!!
post #125 of 168
I'm about 3/4 of the way through. It is an amazing book.
post #126 of 168
Fig leaf acquisition is now a lottery.

2 babybees, they can snicker all they like. Just offer them all your booster shots free, on top of their own.
post #127 of 168
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Originally Posted by Momtezuma Tuatara
American marketters told me that I couldn't market the book in the USA, because its title was "indecent".

Allegations of small crown jewels are not allowed. :

That was before we decided not to "market" it at all.

omg!! i LOVE the title!! its great.... stupid american marketers!!!
post #128 of 168
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Originally Posted by moneca
Have you ever thought of Arthur Krigsman MD who started Thoughtful House along with Andrew Wakefield and seconded the connection between MMR and Autism? We actually had an appt. with him in NYC before leaving and found him very open to alternative "out of the box" thinking. I told him that in my mother's heart I knew 100% that my child would have been autistic if she had received her 12 mo shots and he responded "yes, the MMR would have done her in." He still uses conventional methods of treatment, but he may be open enough to consider your findings. Just a thought.
If you e-mail me his address, I will send him one.
post #129 of 168
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Originally Posted by dooldad
I finished the book, it is a great book, easy to read and very emotional and informative. I couldn't wait to get to the next chapter.
This was a hard choice to make. I mean, its easy for them to accuse you of emotional blackmail. Never mind that they use that very tactic themselves, but somehow its alright for them, but on the other side, its a sign of lack of credibility.

The reality is that the reason the issue is so hard is because its so emotional. I know how emotional it is, because people come here in melt-down about it all the time, so that is why I decided to show the "human" side of decision-making, and how hard it can be if you are really alone.

I think one thing that many here don't appreciate the value of, is the fact that as of today, this board exists. The early years that are covered in the books... we were completely alone. We had to stand our ground with no support whatsoever.

Those of you who go to babyfactory . com will know how it feels to be set upon by snarling frothing pro-vaccine rottweillers. Yes, that's an emotive term, but it's true, and I'm not backing off of it at all.

You guys need to value places like this, but realise that (prediction here) they won't be here in the future. The issue is far too important to allow the nose of the camel to become more than that. I predict, and I mean it, that places like this will not be allowed. Therefore, we also need to get out there in the community and form an in real life community, so that when Big Brother shuts down places like this (IF).... we aren't all stranded.

And even if my prediction doesn't come true, that community still needs to be formed anyway, because out there, IRL, is where the real world is, and its about that world out there, that I write.

Not this world in here. But.. value this corner of sanity in the cyber world too.

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I'm sure there were times when you wanted to have a normal life and you kept on, I'm glad you did.
I still do want a normal life. I would love to be able to drop this, and just walk off. There are many times I am that close to frustration, that all I do is : and it gets no better.

People are by and large sheeple, and even whey you try to open their eyes, more often than not, they have a self-lock on the blinds.

It's only when things turn to custard that the most blind pro-vaccine people start to grow a spine.

You are lucky that you grew one before you needed to Dooldad.

So, what in my experience wakes people up the best? Not SIDS. Because the possibility that vaccines contribute to that, is too much for them to bear, after all, it was "their choice".

However, being arrested for murder, for SBS, is usually enough to wake some people up. Even if they lose the case.

It is sad to me, that some people have to lose a life, and face losing their own freedom, in order to look the issue in the eye.

But even sicker, is a medical profession that takes on the role of relentless"Pusher and Shover" and compliance demander. They are the people who can make my bp rise high and fast.

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I've always told my wife I feel like someone(God?) has put things in front of me, or guided me to people to hear what they have to say(on the radio, in person, in books).
I believe God puts those things in front of everyone, before they need to make a choice, even in small ways, but that its a choice to see the pointers, to listen to the inside voice. I don't believe that anyone can stand in front of God and honestly say "I never had any gut reservations, or hesitations about vaccinating"

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I know you don't have a clue who I am, and wouldn't now me on the street. Must be strange to have so many people know you and consider you a friend, even though you have never met most of them)
Yes it is, and its daunting. I often walk the streets of somewhere, and someone comes up and says "Oh, hi, remember me? We talked on 14th January 1989, and you must remember" and I stand there : wondering which of the thousands of people i've had contact with, this person is.

Thing is, to them, I am one person. People sometimes forget, that I'm one person, but they are a multitude, and that I had trouble enough remembering a few people let alone a multitude.

I try to remember, and also try to treat everyone as a friend, but please don't anyone be offended if sometime we meet in the future, and I haven't a clue who you are.
post #130 of 168
I've only got through the introductions, but I find it amazing that you came to NZ on the rahuine and your husbands first wife died in the antarctica flight.......I remember watching documentorys on it when I was a kid around the anniversarys of it.

so far its a fabulous read! I think it means more for me knowing the places you are talking about
post #131 of 168
I'm about half way through (I'd be done in a night if it wasn't for 4 kids) and just in awe. So much more info then I thought would ever be available. And it scares me to think how much more information is out there that you can't get to, MT. My DH has expressed some of the same sentiment of "missing" me when I'm doing so much research. Thank you to both of you for this book...I'd love to see a copy in every medical "professional"s hands.
post #132 of 168
Synthea, not one medical person who gives vaccines would either read it, or could cope with it, because it would be interpretted as criticising them personally, and their profession.

and yes, there is a price to pay if you are researc mad.
post #133 of 168
MT -
I sent you Krigsman's address. Was wondering... you mentioned using sodium ascorbate with children who were vaccine damaged. I've always wondered if the Hep B caused my dd's issues. What is the dosage per kg? Do you give this 3 times per day?

Many thanks,
post #134 of 168
MT, may I ask how you cured your arthritis? I thought I read in your book that you used vitamin c. I can't find it, though. My firend's 9 year old child has RA in the knees. Now he has it in his spine.
post #135 of 168
I would really love to read this book now, if there are any left MT I would pay for one, or if anyone is in Arizona and wanted to lend it to a visiting English girl (who promises she won't run off to England with it) it would be really really appreciated.
post #136 of 168
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Originally Posted by moneca
MT -
I sent you Krigsman's address. Was wondering... you mentioned using sodium ascorbate with children who were vaccine damaged. I've always wondered if the Hep B caused my dd's issues. What is the dosage per kg? Do you give this 3 times per day?

Many thanks,
Moneca, without knowing a lot more about the situation, its impossible to advise you. Yes, when there is an immediate reaction vitamin C is used, amongst other things, in order to keep the macrophages and lymphocytes in top working order (if they run out of vitamin C they stop in their tracks) and also clear out any endogenous endotoxin, or similar issues from vaccines. It also supports the liver and helps the P450 pathways to work properly, so its probably the bowel equivalent of a massive dose of bran, licorice and prunes in another sense.

Yes, we've used it much later as well, but only where specifically indicated, and its use isn't routine. It's child specific.


Dingo
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MT, may I ask how you cured your arthritis? I thought I read in your book that you used vitamin c. I can't find it, though. My firend's 9 year old child has RA in the knees. Now he has it in his spine.
My RA was very specific in origin. It resulted from and antigen/antibody complex created between the rubella vaccine virus and my immune system. And with an immunodeficiency, it appeared my body just couldn't cope. The vitamin C was calibrated by Dr Kalokerinos to match my needs, using C-stix to monitor urinary spill-over so that we knew how much I needed. I had to run a fridge chart to keep track of it. The first few days I was taking 60 GRAMS a day with no urinary spill-over. Gradually, as the vitamin C dealt with the antigen/antibody complex and kept the immune system running better, the RA decreased and by the end of the third month I had no arthritis and was on 12 grams a day. It took another year to get down to 8 grams a day, and maybe another year to get down to 5 grams a day (assuming that was a quiet nothing doing day.

A few years later, I stopped taking it, and within a few months the elbows and knees needed a grease and lube again.

BUT.... I am arthritis reactogenic to other things to. Pycnogenol supplements will reduce me to a screaming heap as I get arthritis symptoms through the hips. Vitamin C helped that as well, but nothing helped "more" than stopping taking pycnogenol. Everyone is amazed when they hear pycnogenol did me in, but I was a good scientist and did the three time trial, and every time it did it again. however, I regretted doing it the third time, as it took months to get rid of it after that. So I'm really careful what I put into this crock system of mine.
post #137 of 168
Thanks MT.
post #138 of 168
MT, thanks for opening my eyes. Now I just have to convince my partner that not vaccinating from now on is the way to go.

Agree with the others - a great book, very easy to read.
post #139 of 168
non-vaccinating was the way to go for us, and still is, but I can never say that its the way to go for someone else. Everyone has to sit down and closely evaluate their family situation and what "life" means to them.

There is also the area of consistency. Because Nikki Turner was right in a way in something she said about parents "snacking" on the system, but not in the way she meant.

Once you decide that one "snack" isn't right for you, you have to look at all the "snacks" which might also include schooling/education, and, horrors of horrors, alternative medicine as well.

Because hard though it may be to hear, there are as many charlatans in alternative therapies as their are in mainstream medicine.

So the key to our working it out was working it out across all areas for us. We found that not vaccinating, meant we didn't have to fully consider some areas, since the "problems" everyone else had, didn't happen for us, but there came a time where we had to assess that anyway as a pre-emptive medicine, and we rejected a lot of alternative modalities, because they didn't "sit" right with us.

But we weren't about to go into that. The point of the book was to suggest that in all areas of life, it is important for you to work out what is right for you. And, if like us, you are Christians, we had to work out if that is part of what God wants us to do, so we had to be prepared to listen to what he had to say as well. We found that God was actually a lot more "radical" than we were in some areas of life.
post #140 of 168
MT,

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Synthea, not one medical person who gives vaccines would either read it, or could cope with it, because it would be interpretted as criticising them personally, and their profession.
My dh, a surgeon, *is* reading the book. Although he doesn't give routine childhood vaxes or pneumonia or flu shots to patients in his practice, he does order tetanus vaccines for his trauma patients. Not because he believes in them, but for fear of being sued.
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