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post #201 of 216
Milk kefir is a traditional weaning food in Russia... I think you'd have to use your mama intuition on that, I haven't seen specific research on it.

The reason why healthy bf babies (the norm) are bifidobacterium dominant is that breastmilk has a special kind of lactose that favors its development, in addition to the mammary gland secretion of bifido. Babes do have lactobacillus strains. So it's possible that he is bifido dominent anyways due to what he is eating. Does his stool smell like curried yogurt?

Yes, I have read about "putting probiotics in the other end" ... and also injecting human stool of a healthy person too! There is a clinic in either NZ or AUS that has success with this and colitis/IBD patients. Just how important the gut flora is only beginning to be discovered. But I digress...

I don't think it's determined whether probiotic enemas definitely work, since there is peristalsis to deal with, and in adults large intestines and small intestines are colonized by different probiotic strains (bifido is dominent in large intestine in adults, lactobacillus in small).

Whether probiotics taken by mouth survive to reach the intestines seem to be determined by stomach acid, a growth medium and hardy strains. I have read to have food in the stomach to be a buffer against acid, not take prob. between meals ...and then vice versa, you should take between meals. I seem to be reading with the more researched strains, with food is better. Basically follow manufacturers testing. With babies, they have less stomach acid anyways. And make sure the probiotics are a good quality strain. I agree with CP, get an infant one such as Natren Life Start, Natren Bifido Factor or Pharmax Neonate. The latter two are dairy free.
post #202 of 216
Wow, neat~I didn't know my mamary glands were secreting bifido. Yay!

And yes, his poo smells like curried yogurt I think, dh thinks its more like curry brie!

I am think about giving his some milk kefir, or even bits of milk kefir grains--maybe I'll cross-post around and get a consensus...I do have a good feeling about it...I had rubbed a little kefir on when he had a little diaper rash once and it seemed so soothing, so I think it agrees with him...
post #203 of 216
what if the poos smell like vinegar?

They are also green and full of mucous, just in case that info is relevant.
post #204 of 216
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Originally Posted by Calm View Post
what if the poos smell like vinegar?

They are also green and full of mucous, just in case that info is relevant.
It could be an overgrowth of yeast. Are you giving allergy-free probiotics? I'd probably start there.
post #205 of 216
http://www.medindia.net/news/view_news_main.asp?x=15120

Kefir, a traditional fermented drink, is generally used as a weaning food. The researchers found that it has "friendly" bacteria that may function in obstructing the pathway involved in allergic responses.

This milk drink also prevented the antigens found in food to pass through the intestinal wall.


http://www.foodsciencecentral.com/fsc/bulletin-ff-free

Russians give their babies milk kefir diluted with water when they're as young as 4 months old.


"Milk kefir and soymilk kefir may be considered among the more promising food components in terms of preventing food allergy and enhancement of mucosal resistance to gastrointestinal pathogen infection."
http://allergy.immunodefence.com/200...lp-f.html#more


'Feeding babies kefir may help to protect against some food allergies.'
ETA: http://www.bio-medicine.org/biology-...ergies-3993-1/



Pat
post #206 of 216
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Originally Posted by WuWei View Post
http://www.medindia.net/news/view_news_main.asp?x=15120

Kefir, a traditional fermented drink, is generally used as a weaning food. The researchers found that it has "friendly" bacteria that may function in obstructing the pathway involved in allergic responses.

This milk drink also prevented the antigens found in food to pass through the intestinal wall.


http://www.foodsciencecentral.com/fsc/bulletin-ff-free

Russians give their babies milk kefir diluted with water when they're as young as 4 months old.


"Milk kefir and soymilk kefir may be considered among the more promising food components in terms of preventing food allergy and enhancement of mucosal resistance to gastrointestinal pathogen infection."
http://allergy.immunodefence.com/200...lp-f.html#more




Pat
This is really fascinating. Do you know if milk kefir and water kefir produce the same type of bacteria and yeast? I just wonder if water kefir has the same effect on the body (IgE and IgG, etc.). I keep meaning to buy some water kefir grains and start drinking this. I'm feeling much more motivated now!
post #207 of 216
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Originally Posted by Chinese Pistache View Post
This is really fascinating. Do you know if milk kefir and water kefir produce the same type of bacteria and yeast? I just wonder if water kefir has the same effect on the body (IgE and IgG, etc.). I keep meaning to buy some water kefir grains and start drinking this. I'm feeling much more motivated now!
The short version is that water kefir has about 30 microbials. Milk kefir about 37. Kombucha has about 27 microbials. Coconut (young Thai coconut) water kefir has additional benefits from enzymes and other micronutrients (from the coconut water), etc. Goat's milk kefir is most easily digestible after coconut milk kefir, from my understanding. I could search for 15 minutes and find references. But, that is the gist.

The studies regarding obstructing allergic gut leaking were done with milk kefir. They don't know what aspect of the kefir is beneficial yet.

Pat
post #208 of 216
Bumping.

Pat
post #209 of 216
Does anyone want to point me in the right direction to make some soy milk or coconut water kefir?
post #210 of 216
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Originally Posted by Aletheia View Post
Does anyone want to point me in the right direction to make some soy milk or coconut water kefir?
We do raw Guernsey cow's milk kefir and grape juice kefir with milk kefir grains. Neither of my guys who are intolerant of dairy have an issue with those.

Making water kefir is a bit trickier, but I haven't made it. The "Kefir_Making" yahoogroup is my resource: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kefir_making/

Also, the "Got Kefir?" thread here is amazing. It has a bunch of recipes for using kefir also. http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=203282 It has everything you ever wanted to know about kefir. And links to the King of Kefir: Dom in AU: http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html

You can get kefir grains (water and dairy), or yogurt starter (no yogurt maker required) from Dogmom, an MDC member. http://www.culturesforhealth.com/zen/

There are many current threads about making kefir on the Tradional Foods forum.
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=997581
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=997319
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...ht=water+kefir
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...ht=water+kefir

Store bought raw, organic kombucha has signficant quantities of Saccharomyces Boulardii which helps to recolonize the gut and displace candida. Consider it also for a healthy gut. Or make homemade kombucha, but again that is trickier.

For ease, dairy kefir can be done by a child of three years old even. I like simple.


Pat
post #211 of 216
I find water kefir very easy. Any fruit or flavoring and a sugar can be used. Favorites are a water kefir lemonade with just lemon juice and sugar. Gingerade, with fresh ginger. Vanilla with vanilla extract and sugar, which is nice blended with sparking mineral water when it's done to make vanilla soda. These are ideas from Eat Fat, Lose Fat. There is an MDC mama in the Traditional Foods forum that sells water kefir grains, perhaps she has some more easy ideas.

I am very anti-soy milk with its processed isoflavones/plant estrogens.
Huge amount of research study references here:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...s_/ai_n6110588

Soy and Male Development
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/phytoestrogens.html
post #212 of 216
http://www.celiac.com/articles/21685...ase/Page1.html

Gut Bacteria (and vitamin D) Linked to Celiac Disease (and oral tolerance)

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Fecal micrflora from both active and, notably, treated, symptom-free celiac children caused a significant increase in pro-inflammatory cytokine production and a decrease in anti-inflammatory IL-10 production in the peripheral blood mononuclear cell cultures compared to the fecal microflora from healthy children. However, cultures co-incubated with the Bifidobacterium strains exhibited a suppression of the pro-inflammatory cytokine production and an increase in IL-10 production. IL-10 is a cytokine which promotes immune tolerance.

The scientists concluded that the makeup of the gut flora of celiacs may contribute to pro-inflammation in celiac disease, possibly in a synergy with gliadin, and that certain strains of Bifidobacterium appear to suppress and reverse pro-inflammatory effects and offering therapeutic opportunities for the treatment of celiac disease.

It would have been interesting if the scientists had also investigated the effect of adding vitamin D to the fecal microflora and the peripheral blood mononuclear cell cultures. It is likely the addition of vitamin D might also have resulted in a suppression of pro-inflammatory cytokine production and an increase in IL-10 production. This is borne out by experiments with Mycobacterium tuberculosis and its culture filtrate antigen in peripheral blood mononuclear cell cultures where the addition of vitamin D resulted in a suppression of pro-inflammatory cytokine production and an increase in IL-10 production.[4] It is possible that celiac disease may be entirely prevented in infancy by routinely administrating prophylactic doses of vitamin D and probiotics containing specific strains of Bifidobacterium before gluten is introduced into the infant's diet. The vitamin D and Bifidobacterium strains may provide an IL-10 anti-inflammatory environment in which the immune system learns to respond tolerantly to gluten, forever preventing the onset of celiac disease.
post #213 of 216
Jane, what about other soy products, such as those used in Japanese food? Is it just the milk? I've been trying to get my husband off soy for years, but he needs a good push and that study you linked might be the trick.
post #214 of 216
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post #215 of 216
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Originally Posted by JaneS View Post
http://www.celiac.com/articles/21685...ase/Page1.html

Gut Bacteria (and vitamin D) Linked to Celiac Disease (and oral tolerance)

Yes, but, baby gets bifidum bacteria from mama's milk at birth and (if) mama has vit D stores or exposes baby to adequate sunlight, baby gets vit. D. From everything I've read, vit D is stored in the bones and available to baby.

Are you suggesting that nursing mamas refrain from gluten exposure and that by consuming gluten, that triggers the celiac? Is celiac less common at the Equator?


Confused.


Pat
post #216 of 216
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Originally Posted by Calm View Post
Jane, what about other soy products, such as those used in Japanese food? Is it just the milk? I've been trying to get my husband off soy for years, but he needs a good push and that study you linked might be the trick.
Everything that I've read is that only fermented soy is ok. A lot of Japanese soy foods are fermented, I believe.



Pat
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