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post #41 of 64
My mom had natural birth...

but my grandmother had 5 twilight births....

If you don't know the details of what being knocked out during birth is you can look up "twilight sleep"...

Summary...pretty much it is 2 drugs were given...
1 was for pain relief (morphine)
the other was for amnesia...(Scopolamine)

So the mom would really wake up not remembering anything...

When my grandmother gave birth not only was she put into "twilight sleep" but the babies were also sent to the nuns for a few weeks and would come back sleeping through the night and on a perfect schedule... Pretty sad....
post #42 of 64
My Mom gave birth to my sis in 62, brother in 64 without pain meds, with our Father at her side and was given her babies immediately to BF BUT Dr. Dick Bradley was her OB

She moved from CO to AZ before she had me and as a nurse learned who she did and did NOT want to be her OB. She gave birth to me in 69 drug free but my Father was not allowed in the room as it was illegal in AZ at the time

Consequently, my Mom has been very supportive of my birth choices including homebirth

post #43 of 64
Originally Posted by kerikadi
She gave birth to me in 69 drug free but my Father was not allowed in the room as it was illegal in AZ at the time
ILLEGAL? Are you sure? Or is that just what the nurses told people to cover their butts for not allowing the fathers to be present? I've heard "it's illegal" about homebirth, vaxing, homeschooling, etc, when it's really not and I find it very hard to believe that it would be illegal for a father to be in the room during a vaginal birth. How could they justify a LAW like that? Hospital policy, maybe, law, no.
post #44 of 64
Originally Posted by minkajane
ILLEGAL? Are you sure? Or is that just what the nurses told people to cover their butts for not allowing the fathers to be present? I've heard "it's illegal" about homebirth, vaxing, homeschooling, etc, when it's really not and I find it very hard to believe that it would be illegal for a father to be in the room during a vaginal birth. How could they justify a LAW like that? Hospital policy, maybe, law, no.
Who knows really whether it was illegal or just policy at the time? My Dad actually punched out an orderly that was trying to keep him out of the room and my Mom finally just told him to let it go, she would be fine. Thankfully she was an experienced birther.

post #45 of 64

Laura, Momma to Kaitlyn 3/03 & Megan 10/04 -After 9 mths of exclusive pumping - we have established nursing We never gave up


Completely OT, but Laura... Wow! Congrats!!!

post #46 of 64
My mama's mother had all 4 of her daughters while she was *asleep* and was told absolutely to not b/f. In fact she always thought that it was disgusting . She said that she went to the hospital and woke up 3 days later and they handed her a baby each time. (I always knew my aunt didn't belong, they probably switched her )
With my sister (76) my mom was due 5-14 and she was born 6-24. Mom knew exactly when she was conceived and the doctor always said that a baby would come when it was ready. She finally went into labor and 3 hours later she was born.. shaved, enema, epi.
I was born in 79. I was due 9-13 and born 10-1. When her water broke Carson was almost over (1230ish?). She had to wait on my grandmother, aunt and dad to take showers since she had a 4 hour labor last time and they knew that they would have time. Mom didnt' b/f us because my grandmother told her not to.
When she got to the hospital, after her shaving and enema, she needed to have another BM but couldn't get a nurse to come in. TMI warning: She climbed up over the rails and squirted the whole way there and back. Took off her gown and wiped it off and got another one. When the nurse came in.. whoops! She fell right on her butt! (guess mom missed a spot!) Mom explained what happened. The nurse said, "no honey, that's the baby pooping"! I was breech and Mom didn't even know it! I was born at 136am. Not much of a labor! I did have some hip problems which were *corrected* by swaddling me up really tightly for a couple of months!
My other grandmother's water broke on Monday morning. They called the doctor and he came and said that she wasn't in labor. That Friday she went into labor and my dad was born butt first too! I just tried to call her to find out if she had any procedures done to her.. I guess I have to find that stuff out!
No dads were allowed with any of the above. Now you guys have me calling everyone I know that had babies back then!!
post #47 of 64

My mom refers to my "extraction"

I was born in '69.

MOm was afraid the doctor she hated was on duty the night she went into labor, so she stayed home as long as she could. Her vague thought was that she'd wait until it was so late that she' dhave to go to the nearby hospital that no longer did deliveries and have the ER docs deliver me.

She got to the hospital and was put in a room to wait, because she was a first-timer and there was a woman there having her fifth. She went through transition alone in that room (with dad waiting outside when he coudl have been with her for that). The nurse came in, checked her, discovered she was completely dialated, and told the doc Mom was ready to go...

And the doc said "Put the primagravida on ice for me while I deliver this one."

So they saddle-blocked her up to the gills, made her totally numb so she couldn't even push, and then came back in an hour and pulled me out. The OB pulled me out so hard he pulled mom's butt off the table -- and then yelled at her when she couldn't drag her numb butt and legs back onto it. She was given a shot to stop her milk without asking.

It's funny -she went through the most painful part of labor unmedicated, but she was so worried when I told her I was going to go sans drugs that the pain would give me post-traumatic stress But then she reflected and said "actually, it wasn't that bad, and it was over really quick." My labors were both a LOT like hers. Except that I had good midwives (CNMs) and a jetted hot tub (hospital).

She also says that a year after I was born, one of her friends had a baby. Natural childbirth AND she breastfed, and she rmemebers watching her friend nurse with the feeling of "No one even told me that was an option." She really regretted not having the chance to try, and was VERY supportive of my nursing -- read up on it and sent me articles!

One of my grandmothers nursed -- literally because they were too poor not to, and it was somewhat of a mark of shame in an aspiring white-collar family. The other grandmother was all sporty and modern for 1940, married to a scientist, and "formula" was considered the wave of the future. But her husband also was deeply involved in baby care, and actually taught a class in baby care for dads at the local hospital!
post #48 of 64
I was born in '71. I know that I was screaming before I was all the way out and they used forceps. After I was born the nurse tried to hand my mom a glass of water. After she said, "I can't take that, -- I can't move my arms." everyone got nervous. I guess she was over medicated. Later he Dr. asked whether she'd like to breastfeed and she said she didn't know, so he just gave her a shot and said that it was messy or a hassle or something.
post #49 of 64
how sad!!

My grandmother gave birth in twilight to her three sons after laboring for hours alone! She remembers a housekeeper who kept her company and helped her through contractions with her second son. With her last baby, a girl, she refused all meds and said that the doctor was robbing her of the best part. She delivered a girl and her remark was, "Isnt' she beautiful!" Unfortunetly, breasfeeding was not the thing to do, instead she gave them whole cow's milk.
post #50 of 64
My mom had me in '74. My water broke at home, I'd guess about 10:00pm since she said she woke up at night thinking she was sick from supper. Don't know exactly what happened since she doesn't talk about things like that, but my guess is she had an epi as soon as she got to the hospital since she thinks her body has never had contractions. I know I was pulled out with forceps at 3:30am (I still have indentations on the sides of my head : ). She said she ASKED to be knocked out since she just wanted to "get it over with". She's happy how it went, I guess, since she's not very supportive of natural birth. She told me that "You came out OK" . With #2, she was 2 weeks overdue and the doctor did pelvimetry and told her he was too big so she got to have a C-sec. As crazy as she is concerning ideas about birth, she did bf us both for nearly a year.
She doesn't know about our homebirth plans. She keeps asking me if my midwife has ever been in prison since all she knows about are the trials on Court TV . She asked me if I've seen her credentials (I'm in Illinois where they are illegal), umm yeah mom, she's a CNM (she's a DEM).
post #51 of 64
My mom was also unconscious when she delivered her babies. She had 3 babies: one in 1967, one in 1968 (me)and one in 1970. She has always said that it was like the stork brought the babies. She when into the hospital and was knocked out. When she woke up, she had a baby. It was almost like she didn't give birth.

My youngest brother was born in 1970 and she barely made it to the hospital. He was born within 5 minutes after she arrived at the hospital. She was mad because they still knocked her out.

At least she got to see my delivery. I think she was fascinated by it. She kept telling my husband to look when Cory was crowning. DH wasn't very thrilled, he looked very begrudgingly.
post #52 of 64
I also wanted to say that my mom tried Bfing my older brother and always said that he rejected her. After that she didn't try to BF either me or my younger brother. I was worried that my child might "reject" me also. When I was pregnant and people asked me if I was going to BF, I always said if I can.

Well, I had problems with a weak latch and a sleepy baby. I pumped for 1 month before I got him to latch on. I was very determined and had a great LC and I am still BFing 2 years later.

My mom has since talked more about the problems. I guess my brother was nursing great at the hospital, but wouldn't nurse when she got home. My dad's mom tried to help (her mom didn't BF), but it didn't help. She went to her doctor about it, but he was no help. She wanted to contact LLL, but never did. I think she regrets it now.

It's a shame. If she had more education, she might have BF all of us.
post #53 of 64
I was born at home, but wanted to comment on what was given to mom's - they were given scolopamine and morphine in order to make them forget their births (scolopamine has this effect). Scolopamine is also a psychoactive drug, however, and tended to make birth nightmarish for the women and act like complete lunatics - they were paranoid and crazed, often recounting their deepest, darkest secrets, but being quite confused all the while. It sounds like complete torture to me, especially since they were generally strapped down to a table during all this. Episiotomies and forceps deliveries were standard.
post #54 of 64
Speaking of scopalomine -- I was watching "Guns of Navarone", a WWII movie, and the Nazis gave an American soldier scopalomine to make him tell all his secrets. Interesting.
post #55 of 64
My MIL had six babies between 1952 and 1962. She knocked herself out with ether all six times and woke later to be handed a baby several hours old, not knowing how the baby got out. I questioned her and she did have stitches for all six babies so I'm assuming large episiotomy, forceps and someone jumping on her stomach most likely. <shudder> The first baby she saw brand new was her daughter's baby.

My mom had three babies between 1981 and 1988. I was her first baby, she had a spinal at the recommendation of her step-MIL and hated it. Because of the spinal, there were forceps and episiotomy involved. My middle brother was born in 1987, mom waited as long as she could to go to the hospital but still ended up with an episiotomy. My youngest brother was born in 1988, she was induced at 43 weeks and had a quick labor which the doctor almost missed (didn't believe her that it was almost time), again she was given an episiotomy. You should hear my dad preach against episiotomies.

Both MIL and my mom were at my first birth at the hospital and then at my two homebirths and they are both pro-homebirth. I wonder why?
post #56 of 64
I forgot to mention that the enema, shave etc routine was given to my mom all three times. How degrading.
post #57 of 64
*goes and makes a spinoff thread*
post #58 of 64
Originally Posted by busybusymomma
I forgot to mention that the enema, shave etc routine was given to my mom all three times. How degrading.
My mom also talked about the shaving. Her and my aunts (her SIL) all had babies around the same time and they all complained about the shaving.
post #59 of 64
Oh, I saw the othe rpost before this (and I haven't read replies yet but intend to)

My mom talks about all of her births, a lot. I can tell you my birth story and that of my siblings in great detail. I'm glad that she has done this for us. Her first two were born in the mid-60s under twilight-anestheia. She had VERY short labors, her longest being 4 hours. She was awake and alert for those first two births the entire time EXCEPT pushing! When she was ready to push she heard "knock her out". This was done and a baby came out. She was awakened immediately following the expelling of the baby. Made absolutely no sense why thye did that. My first brother was born with forceps @ around 30 weeks, my big sister was born at around 34 weeks. She had generous episiotomies for both of them which I'm sure were necessary considering she was unconcious.

She doesn't feel as disconnected as many women I have spoken to that have epxeirneced this. I think that some has to do with the length of time she was under. For one of them, she was put under, pushed a baby out. Was awakened and soon after they decided she needed a D&C so she was knocked right back out. She was only out an hour for the D&C at most. So she was able to experience her labors completely, just not the actual emergence. She is sad for that. She did not wish this to occur and asked for it to not occur. She does say "that's just whaet they did" but not because she's okay withit or disconnected from it, but rather because it's a matter of fact. That IS just what they did. She's not happy about it and she's glad to see this has changed. My little brother and I were born drug-free and she will tel you the birth difference was night and day and the only real difference was being "there" when we emerged. In fact, had she not been awake or even drugged in any way for my little bro's birth, it could have ben much worse. He was breech and she really birthed that baby! He was STUCK and she knew it. She didn't want instruments or anything so she told the doc she'd push if he'd pull gently. So she pushed like the woman she is and he gently pulled and out he came. She loved being a part of those two births.

Namaste, Tara
post #60 of 64
My grandma has just started talking about her births (4 between '43 and '50), and I've been shocked and so sad for her.

She had twilight births with all of them, and then didn't see any of the babies for two weeks. She didn't breast feed any of them, and she said she thinks they were fed water, since she doesn't remember formula being around.

Water, for the first two weeks, and nothing else. I was like

My mom was considered radical, because she refused all drugs and did it natural for all of us ('72, '74, and '77) in the hospital. Also, my dad was in the delivery room, which was almost unheard of. They had to take special classes for him to be there.

She even had me and my sister (twins) vaginally. But that was mostly because we came really fast, there was no time to c-section. The doctor actually yelled at her for delivering me right after my sister. It's like, with a natural birth, you can't stop the pushing process. : The doctors she had treated her like crap, for all of us. I said, why didn't you find someone else, and she said, that wasn't done.

She's said, now, that she wishes she'd been brave enough to try homebirth. I'm sorry she couldn't, I think she would have done really well.
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