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post #2821 of 2914
I'm interested to hear Bill Maher's take on it, just because I enjoy his show. Wonder if it's still on my friends' Tivo? (we are tv-free right now, and I rarely miss it.) I used to complain that Bill Maher shouldn't talk about children because he said such rubbish, and he doesn't have any, anyway... until the time he had a New Rule about no more videos aimed at babies, and he ended it with "And besides, think about what they have to compete with..." and showed a great big picture of a very happy baby nursing!

All the negative press is just more attention to the Secret, more attention to the Law of Attraction. The critics are focusing lots of energy on what they don't want.... guess what they are going to get?

I have gotten better at noticing when I flinch at something that sounds materialistic, and then thinking about why. I take a minute to sort out what is my reaction and what it is they actually are saying. Like when I listened to the James Ray Masters of the Secret interview last night... some of what he was saying early-on, about how he can tell a person isn't really spiritual if they are in a bad financial state... I'm still pondering that. They sounded pretty elitist with some of that conversation, to me. I think there are plenty of people who are happy and don't have lots of material wealth, and plenty of people with lots of money who are miserable. James Ray and Bill Harris obviously really enjoy their businesses and making lots of money, which is cool. But I don't presume to judge who is spiritual and who isn't. I had enough of that growing up among some very judgmental fundamentalists.

OK, done rambling, now.
post #2822 of 2914
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Originally Posted by Zannalyn View Post
Like when I listened to the James Ray Masters of the Secret interview last night... some of what he was saying early-on, about how he can tell a person isn't really spiritual if they are in a bad financial state... I'm still pondering that. They sounded pretty elitist with some of that conversation, to me. I think there are plenty of people who are happy and don't have lots of material wealth, and plenty of people with lots of money who are miserable. James Ray and Bill Harris obviously really enjoy their businesses and making lots of money, which is cool. But I don't presume to judge who is spiritual and who isn't. I had enough of that growing up among some very judgmental fundamentalists.
I agree with you.

To add: I think there is a huge distinction between someone who *knows* they could have material wealth and choose not to, finding their happiness and sense of spirituality within.....there are also a lot of other people who believe they cannot be both financially abundant and spiritual. Therefore they choose spirituality and sometimes they can be very judgemental about that too. I think the difference for me is knowing you could and choosing not to, and thinking that it has to be one or the other.

I think James Ray was talking more about the latter than the first. I don't believe for a moment they would have considered Mother Theresa less because she chose not to accumulate wealth. But, I also believe that she knew that if she wanted that, she could manifest it for herself at any time.
post #2823 of 2914
I didn't see it myself, but I think what was most likely meant was the difference between choosing to live simply and being in severe debt. Being in a bad finacial state is not living simply.
post #2824 of 2914
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Originally Posted by MsChatsAlot View Post
To add: I think there is a huge distinction between someone who *knows* they could have material wealth and choose not to, finding their happiness and sense of spirituality within.....there are also a lot of other people who believe they cannot be both financially abundant and spiritual. Therefore they choose spirituality and sometimes they can be very judgemental about that too. I think the difference for me is knowing you could and choosing not to, and thinking that it has to be one or the other.
Good point! I learned at a young age that having money does not make happiness. (I was told this and believed it; we didn't have much money, though we had a home and food, heat, etc.) I think I also internalized an unspoken corollary that if I had money, I wouldn't be happy. Well, I'm ready to get over that one!
post #2825 of 2914
I watched the Bill Maher episode. Yes the panel, specifically Rosanne and the Repub guy on the left were the ones that bashed the materialism of it. Although it was pretty clear that they had not read the book nor seen the movie since they kept talking about how it was all about visualization and assumed no actual action was required. So they don't know what they are talking about anyway.

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Deepak Chopra has a problem with people being profit-oriented with their spiritual products? Now that would be the pot calling the kettle black. (If I understand correctly. If he's taking issue with people using the loa primarily for material gain, that's less ironic but still somewhat.)
He didn't comment at all on materialism and the Secret. He did say that it was important for people to feel all their emotions and that it wasn't in human nature to be positive all the time.

Bill Maher actually didn't seem to be too negative either. He brought it up as a "What do you think of this" and kind of let people say their opinion. He did say something about "if you believe the food won't make you fat then it won't" being totally stupid idea and Chopra agreed with that.
post #2826 of 2914
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Like when I listened to the James Ray Masters of the Secret interview last night... some of what he was saying early-on, about how he can tell a person isn't really spiritual if they are in a bad financial state... I'm still pondering that. They sounded pretty elitist with some of that conversation, to me. I think there are plenty of people who are happy and don't have lots of material wealth, and plenty of people with lots of money who are miserable. James Ray and Bill Harris obviously really enjoy their businesses and making lots of money, which is cool. But I don't presume to judge who is spiritual and who isn't. I had enough of that growing up among some very judgmental fundamentalists.
ITA about judging who is spiritual. I have to say that I haven't been too impressed with James Ray as of late. I liked some of the stuff he had to say in the Secret movie but I wasn't impressed with him on Larry King at all.
post #2827 of 2914
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Originally Posted by MsChatsAlot View Post
I agree with you.

To add: I think there is a huge distinction between someone who *knows* they could have material wealth and choose not to, finding their happiness and sense of spirituality within.....there are also a lot of other people who believe they cannot be both financially abundant and spiritual. Therefore they choose spirituality and sometimes they can be very judgemental about that too. I think the difference for me is knowing you could and choosing not to, and thinking that it has to be one or the other.

I think James Ray was talking more about the latter than the first. I don't believe for a moment they would have considered Mother Theresa less because she chose not to accumulate wealth. But, I also believe that she knew that if she wanted that, she could manifest it for herself at any time.

I think what James may be referring to is the difference between a person with very little money who lives and breathes contentment, joy and love,

and a person with very little money who bashes wealthy people, discusses how money is evil, spends a lot of energy on hating materialism etc.

I mean if materialism turns someone off, that's understandable. If their life has unpleasant aspects due to lack of money, that's not fun. But if someone spends so much focus and energy on how much they hate money/materialism when they could be focusing on love and peace, that's something else.

Because if they are so negative, they are bringing negativity into the world.

I have the cards based on the book Ask and it is Given and one card reads in part,
"My financial decline will not elevate the impoverished. "
post #2828 of 2914
Didn't read all the post's but where is the best place to buy this dvd.I really want to see it
post #2829 of 2914
http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Extende...3700539&sr=8-1

http://video.barnesandnoble.com/sear...22638960&itm=1

http://thesecret.tv/

It's starting to be in some B&M stores, but I think it's still pretty hard to find. I was able to buy a copy for my brother this weekend at Borders for $21 with a 30% off coupon. The Borders closest to me didn't have it, but the one near my mom's did. I've also heard that some Barnes and Noble stores have had it. Definitely call first if you want to buy it at a B&M store.
post #2830 of 2914
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Originally Posted by hula View Post
http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Extende...3700539&sr=8-1

http://video.barnesandnoble.com/sear...22638960&itm=1

http://thesecret.tv/

It's starting to be in some B&M stores, but I think it's still pretty hard to find. I was able to buy a copy for my brother this weekend at Borders for $21 with a 30% off coupon. The Borders closest to me didn't have it, but the one near my mom's did. I've also heard that some Barnes and Noble stores have had it. Definitely call first if you want to buy it at a B&M store.

THANKS!
post #2831 of 2914
Did anyone see Canfield on Montel?

They had a few people on as success stories. One was a mom who became a personal coach after her husband, a wealthy doctor, went to jail for selling meth. She makes one tenth what he used to make, but that's not what matters, it's her feelings of empowerment, loving her new job as a personal coach etc. She is a success.
post #2832 of 2914
i caught the last bit of it on montel. i didn't know her husband sold meth to make the 400K!!!! they said she made less but was happier and better off with a lot less money, though. i like jack canfield. he just always seems so smily and warm. and he doesn't get to talk much when he's on with all the other gurus because they're more vocal and outspoken and "take-charge" that he seems to be.
i just love it that this is getting everywhere. it has CHANGED my life since i saw it a few months ago and i am so thankful that i found out about all of this stuff.
post #2833 of 2914
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Originally Posted by crunchyconmomma View Post
i caught the last bit of it on montel. i didn't know her husband sold meth to make the 400K!!!!
I'm not clear on whether that figure was from his job as a surgeon or included the drug money. Not sure about that.

Jack was very smiley.
post #2834 of 2914
My mil just bought the book and read it on the drive to FL. Maybe when she's ready I'll lend her my dvd.

I need to feel better. What direction do I take toward healing? Just general cold/cough/mucus-ness..... any affirmations out there?
post #2835 of 2914
Thread Starter 
transcripts of larry king..

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...08/lkl.01.html

just to give you a vibe..

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KING: An e-mail question from Jess in Winnipeg, Manitoba: "How does The Secret explain tragedies like September 11th and Katrina?"

ASSARAF: I think whenever we have tragedies like September 11th or Katrina, we have to look at the higher order of how the universe operates. Number one, the universe operates by exact precision and law. And that is something in between god and the universe.

What we have to understand is when we're looking only at the physical event, OK, we're missing something that's a much bigger organism at work, and that's the natural laws of the universe. And there are both good and there's bad in everything, in every way. So we can't just look at the one side of it. It's not a mono- dimensional universe we live in.

KING: So if you were focused, if you were into the attraction...

ASSARAF: Yes?

KING: ... but you were on the 103rd floor of the World Trade Center, that didn't mean anything?

ASSARAF: Absolutely it didn't mean anything. And what I'm not suggesting is that the people that were in the World Trade Center, which was an atrocity -- willed that upon themselves. But in the bigger scheme of how the universe operates -- if you look at every other species on Earth, we live, we die, we have birth and death. And that is just part of life. And sometimes things happen in ways that are not to our tastes and not suitable.

KING: Did you mean they willed that upon themselves?

ASSARAF: No, no, absolutely not. No, no.

KING: They did not will that?

ASSARAF: They did not will that upon themselves. But in life, in general, there are things that happen that aren't great. And we have to look at a higher order of how the universe operates, and let's go to a higher understanding, is what I'm saying.
post #2836 of 2914
That's cool.

Thanks Tracy.
post #2837 of 2914
hey guys. i dont seem to wantto try to keep up on the other secret threads, i hope its ok to post an update here. please let me know if i should move , though , and i will suscribe to a new one. I admit this is the only one i have been subscribed to. it feels overwhelming right now for me to read the others but i am very glad they are there.

anyway remember a week or so ago i said something like " and now i just have to manifest that i am not getting recurrent strep"

well i had just finished antibiotics and my tonsils were begninng to re-inflame, and looked very white and not good news. plus i was starting to get achey again. i did positive visualization, upped my acidopholous, and realized i needed to *stop looking at my tonsils* in order to imagine healthy ones, because the freaky image of theunhealthy ones was too powerful. i also gargled with grapefruitseed extract a few times, but not very habitually. so who knows what worked, but my tonsils are healed, with no further intervention.
post #2838 of 2914
Awesome stirringleaf!

You are always welcome to jump in or add anything to the weekly LoA. There are some of us who are regular posters there...but there are lots who just jump in now and then. It changes every Sunday though.
post #2839 of 2914
I own The Secret and have watched it about 5 times so far.

It's worked for me in various ways.

But I feel a lot of doubt regarding two things specifically and I ask for some support:

body image, food, exercise (PHYSICAL HEALTH and FREE TIME): I want to lose 30 lbs by June. I want someone to watch and/or keep my kids occupied in the morning so dh and I can walk for an hour straight, and then again during the day so I can have about 1 hour block of time completely to myself to work out.

To "pump up" my belief that I can do this, and diminish my doubt of being able to lose the weight and have alone time to work out while being a SAHM and have quality time with dh, what do I do? I am trying to see it but keep blocking it out!

Please give your input. Thanks so much!
post #2840 of 2914
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Originally Posted by AmyMN View Post
I own The Secret and have watched it about 5 times so far.

It's worked for me in various ways.

But I feel a lot of doubt regarding two things specifically and I ask for some support:

body image, food, exercise (PHYSICAL HEALTH and FREE TIME): I want to lose 30 lbs by June. I want someone to watch and/or keep my kids occupied in the morning so dh and I can walk for an hour straight, and then again during the day so I can have about 1 hour block of time completely to myself to work out.

To "pump up" my belief that I can do this, and diminish my doubt of being able to lose the weight and have alone time to work out while being a SAHM and have quality time with dh, what do I do? I am trying to see it but keep blocking it out!

Please give your input. Thanks so much!
well, for starters you can come onna over here to this little ol' thread:
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=590106 It's "LOA: Manifesting Love for My Body?"
see you there!
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