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post #1 of 21
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Gah. This probably isn't the most appropriate forum for my frustration, but it is related so bear with me

We were at a party last night, where we met for the first time the wife and baby of one of DH's partners. (Well Dh had met them before but I hadn't...)

The baby is only a few weeks younger than Eden. When I got to the party, Dad was sitting at a table, with an older woman standing by him rocking the baby, who was S-C-R-E-A-M-I-N-G. I was wondering where mom was, and went to find her to let her know the baby was upset.

I found her in the kitchen warming up a bottle, introduced myself, and told her the baby was crying its head off, and she says "Yeah, some strange lady is holding her...but I don't care!"

Well, I couldn't handle that poor little baby screaming like that, so I took her from the lady and comforted her (in about 2 seconds I might add) until her mother came out with the bottle.

The bottle obviously had breast milk in it, and I thought maybe she was uncomfortable NIP (she's a first time mom), so when she went out to feed baby, I sat down next to her and nursed to give her a little confidence that it was ok

Then later we were talking and she tells me that the baby screams for hours every night (colic, I guess?) and she's planning on calling the pediatrician tomorrow to ask if she should switch to formula :

So I tell her that's the WORST possible thing she could do, and suggested some elimination diets. I ask her how nursing was going, and she explains she's EP, because the baby didn't like to nurse When I questioned further, it sounded like she had over-active let down, so I suggested pumping through let down and then putting baby to breast.

And she says, "No, I like doing it this way, it's so convenient." WTF?

So I couldn't resist adding, "well, if you change your mind let me know, I can help you put baby back on breast"

Then later the baby starts to get fussy (I will give mom this, she held and carried baby all evening), but mom was TOTALLY detached from it. She bounced her on her knee and talked over the increasingly loud crying. Didn't seem to notice baby was in obvious pain and distress.

I finally took baby from mom, comforted her, calmed her down. I could tell the noise of the party was making it worse, so I took baby upstairs.

Yes! The mom let me! A practical stranger walks out of a room in a strange house and goes upstairs...and she didn't stop me?

I take Baby upstairs, and it is clear the little thing is DESPERATE to nurse. Rooting and clawing at my breast .

It took everything in me not to nurse that poor little thing.

Then I figured out that tummy rubs relieved her belleh pain! So I laid her flat on a bed and rubbed her belleh and pumped her wee little legs and she was sooo happy.

Mom didn't come to find us for 1/2 hour

And the second mom picked up baby, she started crying again

I KNOW it's tough being a new mother, and I'm glad I was able to help...but I worry about them. Mom didn't seem very attached, and I give her a month before she switches to formula instead of EP. Because, you know, it's so much more convenient :

Gah.
post #2 of 21
Oh that must have been so tough to see. I'm shocked that she let you take off with her baby, but I'm also glad you were able to calm the baby down. It sounds like this mom needs some help. I bet she was relieved you took her baby and speaks volumes about what's going on with her in her head. I feel bad for both mom and baby. Good for you for stepping up and helping out!
post #3 of 21
I don't know how comfortable your DH would be saying something to his partner, but this sounds like an ideal situation for *someone* to step in and say, "listen, we noticed that DW seems overwhelmed, it's totally normal to feel that way postpartum, here's a phone number to get some support..."

(Here in NJ the governor's wife had battled PPD and I know that there was a campaign last year to bring awareness to the various resources in this state, I don't know what's available elsewhere. Of course, as an aside, the NJ news channel ran a few stories on PPD without mentioning how breastfeeding can help, hormonally -- so that was *my* lactivism, writing letters and citing studies. )
post #4 of 21
That must have been SO hard not to nurse that little baby. That was very nice of you to take her and comfort her though. I would have done the same thing!!
post #5 of 21
Oh wow, that sounds heartbreaking. You did a wonderful job. I hope she remembers your kind advice if she decides she needs to find help.
post #6 of 21
I'm sorry.

Maybe in a couple of days you could give her a call and suggest going out for a walk or something together? I bet that she could use all the support she can get, and maybe you could provide that (and reinforce that bf-ing can help with her emotions, etc.). I bet that she would be more open if you would call her rather than waiting for her to call. Good luck, and kudos to you for nurturing that baby.
post #7 of 21
It was nice that you could help, but I wonder if Marisa had the right idea, in passing along a hint through the dad. Everyone is different, of course, but I can't imagine letting any stranger, or even most friends, walk off with my baby! I'd go into immediate Paranoid Hovering Mode. But maybe she's just overwhelmed. The idea of feeding EBM exclusively because it's "so convenient" seems very odd to me, too. The poor mum!:
post #8 of 21
it's so sad to see someone without maternal instincts. I could imagine myself ever ever doing that.

You were a good "stranger" to her, I hope you can help her
post #9 of 21
that poor baby:-(. I hope you can get some help to the mom--she sounds like she needs more support.
post #10 of 21
It sounds like she may need you as a friend! You could give her great tips on helping her deal with her baby's colic. Like the other mamas said, you should probably get in touch with the dad, to see what is up and it is also less confrontational. I have to applaud you as well, for giving a babay you never met such tender loving responsive care. I bet you are an awesome mom!!!
post #11 of 21
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Originally Posted by Joannarachel
And the second mom picked up baby, she started crying again
That is really weird. Was it from the change in position so her tummy started to hurt, do you think?
post #12 of 21
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by sapphire_chan
That is really weird. Was it from the change in position so her tummy started to hurt, do you think?
I think so....I don't think the baby didn't LIKE the momma, it was clear from the way she smiled at her while on her back getting her tum rubbed that at least BABY is attached to MOMMY.

But I was sort of..."aaagh, it took me all this time to make the baby happy and now look!"

Of course I did NOT say that!
post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by mighty-mama
it's so sad to see someone without maternal instincts. I could imagine myself ever ever doing that.

You were a good "stranger" to her, I hope you can help her
mighty-mama,

, on your reply on this topic.

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Originally Posted by Joannarachel
I think so....I don't think the baby didn't LIKE the momma, it was clear from the way she smiled at her while on her back getting her tum rubbed that at least BABY is attached to MOMMY.

But I was sort of..."aaagh, it took me all this time to make the baby happy and now look!"

Of course I did NOT say that!
Joanna,

oh my god, that mom is definetly a horrible mom so far. Most likely shes very mainstream so far. Most likely had an induction that led to emergency c-section or scheduled c-section. Also, most likely the hospital she had the baby at, postpartum part of the stay was horrible as well. Plus, her family/dh's family and their friends most be mainstream as well.

I for how you handle the situation.

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Originally Posted by marisa724
I don't know how comfortable your DH would be saying something to his partner, but this sounds like an ideal situation for *someone* to step in and say, "listen, we noticed that DW seems overwhelmed, it's totally normal to feel that way postpartum, here's a phone number to get some support..."

(Here in NJ the governor's wife had battled PPD and I know that there was a campaign last year to bring awareness to the various resources in this state, I don't know what's available elsewhere. Of course, as an aside, the NJ news channel ran a few stories on PPD without mentioning how breastfeeding can help, hormonally -- so that was *my* lactivism, writing letters and citing studies. )
to what Marisa said about maybe shes suffering from PPD. Heres the link to the thread on Brooke Shields memior Down Came the Rain: My Journey though Postpartum Depression

Hopefully, she gets her act together or gets professionaly help for bfing and ppd if she needs it of course. Also, asked her for her email so you can send her the link to MDC and give her your old issues of magazines like Mothering or others like Mothering as well.
post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by teagreenribbons
my god, that mom is definetly a horrible mom so far. Most likely shes very mainstream so far. Most likely had an induction that led to emergency c-section or scheduled c-section.
C-section equals horrible mom? Niiiiiiiiice.
post #15 of 21
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Originally Posted by teagreenribbons
oh my god, that mom is definetly a horrible mom so far. Most likely shes very mainstream so far. Most likely had an induction that led to emergency c-section or scheduled c-section. Also, most likely the hospital she had the baby at, postpartum part of the stay was horrible as well. Plus, her family/dh's family and their friends most be mainstream as well.
Wow, that's a lot of assumptions! I wouldn't call her a horrible mom. I'd call her a confused mom who may be suffering from a mental illness. That woman sounds like she needs support not name calling.
post #16 of 21
Thread Starter 
Teagreenribbons...is it possible you've misinterpreted what I've said? I certainly didn't think she was a horrible mom

She obviously loved her dd, but there was a lacking attachment, I'm not sure why.
post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by Joannarachel
Teagreenribbons...is it possible you've misinterpreted what I've said? I certainly didn't think she was a horrible mom

She obviously loved her dd, but there was a lacking attachment, I'm not sure why.
Joanna,

Mostly, I likely I misinterpreted on what you said about her.
post #18 of 21
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by teagreenribbons
Joanna,

Mostly, I likely I misinterpreted on what you said about her.
Oh, ok!
post #19 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by teagreenribbons
oh my god, that mom is definetly a horrible mom so far. Most likely shes very mainstream so far. Most likely had an induction that led to emergency c-section or scheduled c-section. Also, most likely the hospital she had the baby at, postpartum part of the stay was horrible as well. Plus, her family/dh's family and their friends most be mainstream as well.
Would you please please please reread what you wrote?!? That is an awful lot of assumptions not only about how good or bad this mom is, but about all the circumstances in her life. Not one of these things necessarily implies any of the others. Some of the most attached moms I know are also moms who had c-sections that they are NOT happy about. And while I personally do very little that is "mainstream," just because a particular practice is mainstream does not automatically make it bad or even non-NFL/AP!!! I mean for goodness sakes, using carseats while driving and putting clothes on your kids in the winter are mainstream practices, are they not?

You might want to rethink some of that post, because it was so over the top at first I mistook it for satire.
post #20 of 21
I wonder if some of the disconnect is from the tummy issues that are making the baby scream. I could see it being very difficult to bond with your baby if they scream when you hold them. Are you close enough to the mama or her friends to suggest she talk to a doctor about GERD?
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