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BS really *does* work as a laundry detergent!

post #1 of 366
Thread Starter 
I read in a post that someone uses strictly BS with some TTO and vinager to wash their clothes. I thought there was no way that really worked, so I tried it. I just checked my laundry and it is actually clean, smells great (I sniffed socks and underwear and no stink!), and doesn't fell stiff or icky.

Does anyone else do this regularly? Just curious. I'm very impressed.

Shannon
post #2 of 366
Ohhh whats TTO... I'd love to stop buying over priced detergent!!!
oh and whats the amount of the bs and tto..?
post #3 of 366
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Originally Posted by mommaToThree
Ohhh whats TTO... I'd love to stop buying over priced detergent!!!
oh and whats the amount of the bs and tto..?
Tea Tree Oil. can you buy it at walmart!!!
post #4 of 366
It was 1/2 cup of baking soda and 5 drops of TTO.

Here's the original thread:
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=473097

Thanks for reporting back, Shannon. I was gonna try that this weekend and was a bit apprehensive. I also read somewhere about using Borax and baking soda for the dishwasher with vinegar where the jet dry goes and am getting ready to try that as I just found Borax.
post #5 of 366
That sounds like a great idea! I have used BS as an addition to my laundry soap when washing whites (it gets them super white), but have never tried it by itself. Lately it has been so humid here that our clothes stink all the time--even after we have just washed them. . .hopefully this will work and we won't have to be stinky anymore.
post #6 of 366
What part of the cycle did you use the vinegar? Along with the baking soda? Or during the rinse cycle?

I found an article that recommends using baking soda only and adding tea tree oil or lavender oil:

http://www.webnat.com/hi/HomeSafe1.asp


Also, I can attest to using baking soda and white vinegar in the dishwasher.

I do use Palmolive (a little less than usual amount unless I have a super dirty and full load), which has the lowest phosphate rate out of most of the dishwashing detergents I've seen, but I always sprinkle baking soda on the bottom since we have hardish water in Atlanta. I also pour white vinegar in the dispenser (mine is a screw off cap where you'd put the Jet Dry). I have cleaner and shinier looking dishes, no water spots on my glasses and definitely NO etching whatsoever. I LOVE IT!
post #7 of 366
Hmm. Now that we're talking about all this...can I use baking soda only for my dishwasher? I'm not thrilled with the idea of Borax or washing powder in my house (too high pH, not non-toxic - if I sprinkle a little on the floor or something, I don't want my dog licking it up and getting sick). I would want to feel safe that baking soda is doing a thorough job of cutting grease and getting rid of bacteria. Perhaps baking soda and tto here too?

The Palmolive I use is liquid and it stays in the cabinet, so that doesn't spill or anything.

I can't stand the thought of bacteria. Let me know if this works and is sanitary.

For some reason, I'm more willing to not have super sanitized clothes (even though I did some loads of laundry with baking soda only and it looked and smelled great) than having undersanitized dishes, stemware, and glasses (yuck!). Though it's been argued that baking soda just masks odors in clothes and doesn't really clean, I've seen other articles that say baking soda just turns the oils in your clothes into soap and then washes away gently (which baking soda does - it's like a mild alkali that turns grease into soap). In either case, I guess I'm okay with it. I would hate to think that the baking soda is just masking the muck and my clothes aren't really clean. But they have lifted off messes before...

Editing again: I've tried baking soda only in my dishwasher before, but made the mistake of just putting it in the soap container with lid (it hardened and didn't even come out during the washing). Even if you were to use baking soda only or the borax mix, do you put it on the bottom of the dishwasher to keep the powder from caking in the dispenser tray?
post #8 of 366
Thread Starter 
Well, last night I did a large load of laundry and only used a 1/2 cup of BS with some TTO. I added the vinager to the rinse cycle. We have had a lot of problems this summer with stinky clothes, too, even if I take them out of the washer and dry them right away, but these clothes sat for some time before I dried them and they still smell great!

I don't have any lavender oil right now, but when I get some I'm definately going to try that!

If anyone else tried it, let me know. I hope it really does work and it wasn't just a fluke!!!

Oh, and thanks for the BS/vinager idea for the dishwasher. My DH is getting mad at all the money we're spending trying to find a good alternative to harsh chemicals!!!

Shannon
post #9 of 366
Shannon, I added more stuff above - any thoughts?

I'm still doing research into using baking soda only in the dishwasher. Usually people suggest baking soda along with regular detergent or making your own detergent with borax and baking soda.

To be continued...
post #10 of 366
Thread Starter 
Hmmm. I guess I've only heard of BS cleaning, not just masking odors. I did put some clothes in there that had some blood on them (I get bloody noses with this pregnancy and use my shirt sometimes to stop the bleeding! ) and some that had dirt on them (from DH). The dirt and blood were gone, but does that mean the bacteria in them were gone too?

I will be doing more research on this, too. I think, maybe, for now I will add BS to my regular detergent until I can get a solid answer on whether or not my clothes are truly clean, and don't just smell good!

Also, with the dishwasher, I'll need to know for sure that the bacteria is gone before I use BS, but doesn't the hot water in the cycle kill bacteria? Okay, spastica, between you and me we can figure this out!!!

I'll be back later to post more. I have to get my kids in the bath!

Shannon
post #11 of 366
Shannon, sounds like a plan. I am so obsessed with baking soda, I'd love to use it all over the house and more. I do think the tea tree oil takes care of the bacteria problem, so maybe that part is essential for laundry.

But like you, I'm a bit skeptical about using BS and TTO for the dishes. We'll figure it out.

Psst, I just posted on the Curly Hair Tribe forum, if you want to go read it.

My name is Gina, btw but I definitely don't mind my online nickname of Spastica or Spazzy (even my boyfriend knew me as Spastica before we started dating.... ).

I was trying to be cool and come up with an online or DJ alter-ego in college for a radio show - I liked bands like Metallica and Elastica, so I came up with Spastica.

Boyfriend is Italian, and he says that Spastica means "Crazy girl" in Italian. He thought I named myself that on purpose. It's fitting....
post #12 of 366
: I love this board, you guys rock!
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post #14 of 366
Vinegar goes in the rinse cycle. It's supposed to take care of any soap or other residue. It's also great in killing bacteria as is TTO.

I'll report back periodically too. I haven't tried the Borax/baking soda yet because I run my dishwasher usually in the mornings and DH works from home and will unload the dishes and I won't be able to inspect the results. I'm gonna try it this weekend.

I don't know if Borax is that toxic. It's still used in food in some countries, I think in caviar in France. Supposedly the toxicity is almost equal to table salt.

Even if the Borax and/or baking soda don't work, they are supposed to be great for stretching out your dishwasher detergent.
post #15 of 366
Interesting...

Borax as I know has a high pH. But here is some info I found:

Connoisseurs prefer fresh malossol, which contains a maximum of 5 percent salt by weight. Borax, which acts as a preservative, is added in France to caviar with low salt content (not in the United States, however, where borax is an illegal food additive).

And here's where it covers the toxicity, as you mentioned

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borax

Borax is also a food additive in some countries (it is banned in the United States), with E number E285. Its use is similar to salt, and it appears notably in French and Iranian caviar. Despite its use as an insecticide and reputation as a toxin, the LD50 toxicity of borax is about the same as that of table salt (both are around 3,000 mg/kg body mass).



I was mostly concerned with handling of borax, due to high pH, and what would happen in my dog licked it up if I spilled it. The pH is 9-10.5, where baking soda is only 8.1 (7 being neutral; same as water).

Washing soda is pH 11! Drano is an 11.

http://www.borax.com/detergents/pheffect.html
post #16 of 366
Good links:

http://www.oldfashionedfamilies.com/...ad.php?p=41877

http://housekeeping.about.com/od/env...dishwasher.htm

http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7018


Cute and informative science fair project by an 11 year old on different detergents on stain removal. She found out OxiClean did better than other detergents for removing stains:

http://www.selah.k12.wa.us/SOAR/SciP...tml#conclusion

Oxiclean is made from Sodium percarbonate and Sodium carbonate, mostly.
post #17 of 366
Thread Starter 
Hey! Just wanted to tell you, Gina, that I'm glad I know your name and can call you by it. I get kind of weirded out always referring people to their user names (although I like that Spastica means "crazy girl" in Italian!!!).

Thanks for all those links. I haven't had time to look at them, though. I'll probably have to do that tonight after the kiddos go to bed. I've kind of been a bad mommy lately and have been super lazy with them, so I need to do a little more quality time since I'm off work this week! I'm 32 weeks pregnant, so I feel like sitting on my couch all day. Bad, I know...

Anyway, the one thing I did want to tell you is that I use Oxiclean for stain removal and I really like it. I usually just put a little on the stain, wet it, rub the stuff around on it a bit, and toss it in the laundry. Sometimes I do a load with a scoop of Oxiclean in it. I never looked at the ingrediants to be honest with you, because I thought it would be so toxic it would stop me from using it (isn't that sad?).

Okay, off to play with the kiddos. Talk to you ladies later.

Shannon
post #18 of 366
This is awesome!!! I've been trying to figure out how to cut out all the horrifying chemicals (not to mention support of huge corporations) around the house. Laundry has always been a sort of a sticking point as DP is very skeptical about the effectivness of baking soda in that regard and a stickler for super cleanliness. Can't wait to try this out!
post #19 of 366
Me again... I use BS (just dump a couple of tablespoons right on the door of the dishwasher before I lift it up so it goes right in there) and vinegar in the rinse 'thingy' and my dishes are fine and we haven't gotten sickies from anything yet. Hot water can kill bacteria, but vinegar has antibacterial properties also.
post #20 of 366
I just took a trip to Walmart (I know, I know, but that's the only place that carries large boxes of baking soda, which they were out of, ugh, and affordable tea tree oil).

I was being a total nerd and looking through all the chemical ingredients for standard cleaning products, including OxiClean.

OxiClean, as a lot of internet sites say, is Sodium Percarbonate and Sodium Carbonate. Sodium Carbonate is just washing soda and sodium percarbonate, when mixed with water, forms hydrogen bubbles. Hydrogen is unstable, so it kind of blasts stains off of things.

I have read that hydrogen, because it's unstable, isn't good for skincare like they thought it was years ago, because over time, the instability (or free radicals) can harm your skin and wrinkle it. But for our purposes here, I think hydrogen peroxide based cleaning is okay.

Again, I would strongly caution for everybody to use gloves when handling borax or washing soda. Both are highly basic in pH. It should work very well for cleaning for that reason - you need either a high base or acid for things to get super clean

As for other products I saw -- dishwashing powder has sodium silicates and sodium carbonate (washing soda). Sodium silicate I saw again in Drano and it was explained on there that it's an anti-corrosive agent (so it doesn't wreck your pipes). That makes perfect sense because washing powder AND Drano has a pH of 11, which can corrode a lot of stuff. This is why gloves are a must - think of what such a high pH can do to your skin!

I held a box of washing powder and one of borax ones, and just the residue of the box (since it's in plain cardboard like baking soda is) made my hands feel super dry.

Anyway, washing soda seems to be the common element in dishwashing and for laundry (at least if you're talking about OxiClean or SUN Oxy cleaner type products). Based on the little kid's research (link posted earlier), she found that OxiClean lifts stains better than other detergents.

My deduction? Washing soda can be used for all kinds of cleaning. HOWEVER, baking soda is so much more readily available and the pH is lower. It's environmentally friendly and - dingdingding - it's NON TOXIC.

Sodium Bicarbonate (baking soda)
http://www.explainthis.info/ba/baking-soda.html

Sodium Carbonate (washing soda)
http://www.explainthis.info/so/sodium-carbonate.html

ALSO: Because Washing soda is so high in pH, it can wear the fibers of your clothes out over time (especially cloth diapers and elastics). I wouldn't use it on floors because it takes the wax off of flooring. Baking soda may irritate your eyes or if you inhale it but washing soda is very toxic if inhaled over time (because it's stronger): http://www.cutofcloth.com/article_bakingsoda.asp

http://www.cutofcloth.com/article_bakingsoda.asp

Perhaps the baking soda will not pack the punch of washing soda but they're similar enough that I think baking soda is probably a safer version of washing soda. But I think it's a good thing to try out. Perhaps we can all use the baking soda for our dishwashers and laundry unless we have something SUPER DUPER soiled and then we have to use regular detergent or washing soda. Washing soda removes lipstick and grease from garage floors, for pete's sake. Most of us don't need that much grease cutting power in EVERY wash.

Here's somebody who used washing soda in their dishwasher, results were positive, posted on the bottom of the page: http://www.thenewhomemaker.com/node/10148

More recipes: http://www.checnet.org/healthehouse/...sp?Main_ID=564
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