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post #41 of 314
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Well

First off the whole situation sucked. : I had my daughter sleeping in the back seat, "what if this is a car jacking? what will they do with my child?" and the what ifs continue till the cows come home.
I had to make a some quick calls. I didnt want to have this person know where I live and I wanted to be in control of the situation as much as possible. I still feel I made the right call. The situation ended quickly and no one was hurt. Hopefully I can go another 18 years.

For the record. I am an EXCELLENT shot. I practice action target shooting. I have qualified on 2 types of rifles and 2 types of pistols. Most of my guns are stored off site. My side arm is kept in a Biometric gun safe. I am the ONLY human that can open it.

My wife was pretty anti gun until I had to pick her up from work during the WTO riots in seattle a couple of years ago.

Thanks to everyone for your support and comments.

Happy 4th everybody. Enjoy the Liberty and Freedom that the gun has made possible.
post #42 of 314
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Originally Posted by cletus
Guns scare the crap outta me.

There's always a creative solution.

Driving in the slow lane and letting people pass you is not an admission of weakness. It gives you time to think.
Creative solutions do not always work anymore than having a gun to pull always works. It is possible the other driver had a weapon and it is possible he didn't. The OP did what he felt to be necessary in the situation and we can speculate til the cows come home about what we would have done in a situation where we felt threatened (not to mention our child). Some have CCW and some don't, those who do in our state have to go through several hours in the firing range as well as safety classes to receive their permit.

As far as the slow lane goes....it was a residential area so I doubt there was more than one lane of traffic. I have been in more than one situation where I have been in the slow lane and the person still won't pass me. I had a couple of teens who looked about sixteen pass me on an old country road several years ago. My oldest son was about six months at the time. They would slow way down (as slow as 15 mph) and when I tried to pass them they would speed up so I couldn't pass. They did this several times before pulling down a long lane which I assumed was their house. It took everything I had not to follow them down the lane and confront them. The way they were driving was dangerous to all involved. I would have loved to let their parents know what they were doing. In the end, I chose to keep going. My choice in the situation. The OP has a right to make his own decision about how he handles a situation we were nowhere near and cannot possilby know all the details from.


I agree with what the OP did. I am keenly aware of who is behind me at all times and I will bypass my house if I think I am being followed.
post #43 of 314
I'm in Canada, where we have gun control and WAY fewer deaths due to gun violence. Like, exponentially lower. And to me, all of y'alls reasons why you "need" your guns sound ridiculous. Get some gun control, and some decent social programs, and I'll bet your deaths due to gun violence will go way down too.
post #44 of 314
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Originally Posted by thismama
I'm in Canada, where we have gun control and WAY fewer deaths due to gun violence. Like, exponentially lower. And to me, all of y'alls reasons why you "need" your guns sound ridiculous. Get some gun control, and some decent social programs, and I'll bet your deaths due to gun violence will go way down too.
What kind of gun control laws do you have in Canada? Just curious.
post #45 of 314
Er, I don't really know. I know you can have a handgun if you are a cop, and you can get a rifle for hunting with a permit. But you can't have a handgun in your house, and you sure as hell can't carry a concealed weapon.

And whadda ya know? We have way way way way way less gun violence.
post #46 of 314
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Originally Posted by thismama
Er, I don't really know. I know you can have a handgun if you are a cop, and you can get a rifle for hunting with a permit. But you can't have a handgun in your house, and you sure as hell can't carry a concealed weapon.

And whadda ya know? We have way way way way way less gun violence.
I am not disputing the need for some regulations for gun ownership. I just wanted to point out that in the U.S. the bulk of the crimes committed with guns are by people without illegally obtained weapons or weapons that are not registered.
post #47 of 314
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Originally Posted by Houdini
I am not disputing the need for some regulations for gun ownership. I just wanted to point out that in the U.S. the bulk of the crimes committed with guns are by people without illegally obtained weapons or weapons that are not registered.
Thus the problem is with the vast number of guns produced in this country, not what gun laws we do or don't have. We are or are close to being the number one arms producer in the world. Nice.

As for the OP, I wouldn't second-guess, and I'm glad it turned out ok.
post #48 of 314
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Originally Posted by Houdini
I am not disputing the need for some regulations for gun ownership. I just wanted to point out that in the U.S. the bulk of the crimes committed with guns are by people without illegally obtained weapons or weapons that are not registered.
Well here too, but interesting that our numbers are HUGELY lower.
post #49 of 314
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Originally Posted by the sunshine
Thus the problem is with the vast number of guns produced in this country
ITA. And IMO it is caused by the desperate situation in the US, with the huge gap between rich and poor, and the lack of social programs and universal healthcare. IMO y'all have a brutal country going on there. No wonder your gun violence is brutal too.
post #50 of 314
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Originally Posted by thismama
Er, I don't really know. I know you can have a handgun if you are a cop, and you can get a rifle for hunting with a permit. But you can't have a handgun in your house, and you sure as hell can't carry a concealed weapon.

And whadda ya know? We have way way way way way less gun violence.
http://canadaonline.about.com/od/gun...unregistry.htm

I found this site about gun registry in Canada and it seems that there are permits to carry a concealed weapon available or am I : Am I reading this correctly??
post #51 of 314
Moose.

That must have been hella scary for you. I'm glad you and your precious dd got home okay.
post #52 of 314
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Originally Posted by thismama
And IMO it is caused by the desperate situation in the US, with the huge gap between rich and poor, and the lack of social programs and universal healthcare. IMO y'all have a brutal country going on there. No wonder your gun violence is brutal too.
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post #53 of 314
This link is somewhat dated, but interesting:

http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/.../19-1/d_e.html

At that time, the murder rate with handguns was 15 times higher in the US than in Canada. Only about 50 Canadians had permits to carry concealed handguns, having had to basically prove that their lives were in danger in order to do so. Handguns were permitted only to collectors, gun club members, and hunters. I know that currently there is much discussion of further restrictions.

I lived in the US a while and found the more casual attitude towards firearms really, really disturbing and all-pervasive. Makes me feel queasy.

Back to your regularly scheduled thread...
post #54 of 314
OP, I'm sorry you felt scared, but I have to say I think your response way totally out of proportion.

You pointed a gun at someone's head.
For tailgating and following you.

There are a million things you could have done besides get out and aim your weapon at that guy's head. You could have stayed in your car, and shouted 'I have a gun. You'd best leave" if the others got out of the car. I know hindsight is 20/20 and that you now have other choices you'd make, but I worry about your willingness to point a gun at someone in an uncertain situation. I support you defending yourself, but it hadn't gotten there yet.

And frankly, if the people in the other car HAD intended you harm, you made yourself an excellent target. A passenger with a gun could have had you dead as you exited your car. Likewise, they would have had to leave the cover of their car to get to you, providing you time shoot or drive away like a madman.

You felt safe enough to drive to your street. You felt safe enough to get out of your car.

You were pissed, and used the gun as punctuation.

- - -

My intent isn't to bash you. But I do think you need to look honestly at your actions. Guns are serious, and provide an "easy" out. If you're going to carry a concealed weapon, you have the responsibility to not take the easy way.

Stay safe!
post #55 of 314
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Originally Posted by Houdini
I am not disputing the need for some regulations for gun ownership. I just wanted to point out that in the U.S. the bulk of the crimes committed with guns are by people without illegally obtained weapons or weapons that are not registered.
I think it's a complex problem. First off, you have so many gun stores down there. So many gun manufacturers. A gun-accepting culture. Actually, in many cases not even gun accepting, but gun celebrating. For example, this line written by our buddy 'Moose', the gun-totin' road-rage dad:
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Enjoy the Liberty and Freedom that the gun has made possible.
That is a very scary concept to me but I know that it's common and inseperable almost at this point, from the mainstream American ideal. It seems that in the States, Guns=freedom. The right to bear arms is as important to many (most?) Americans as the right to vote.

In Canada, I believe we have a greater sense of the social contract. We elect leaders who protect us and we are willing to give up some freedoms in order to have that protection. It's a two-way street though. We (for the most part) are always keeping our politicians in check and are aware that they work for us, and in turn we can, in good conscience, relinquish a bit of control. More Americans balk at that concept than any other population on Earth (I'll hazard to guess). The population in U.S. seems much more into individual aquisition of property and the logical next step---protecting that property at all costs. Often that aquisiton of property (and its protection) is labeled "freedom". I prefer to label it "capitalism".
post #56 of 314
I am not a dad, however, I could not resist reading the post and all the responses. While I fully support a person's right to carry a gun, I can't help notice that no one posted about how a gun can be removed from you, if in a confronation and then you will have no way to protect yourself or child.

There is a weapon that can never be taken away and that is with you always, your hands and feet. Ever thought about taking martial arts, very efficent way to protect oneself and those around you. Also there could have been another way to deal with that situation, even though you did not know where the police station was. Hope you consider everyones comments and think of altenatives, as you might be presented one day with a similar experience. Happy INTERDEPENDANCE day!!!
post #57 of 314
As far as your child getting hurt, I was thinking more about ricochets. I've seen the aftermath of bullets skiping around and literally doing 180s, or flipping out of water like a skipping stone. There's a lot of force involved and when glass and metal come into it, the bullet is a very unpredictable thing. Kind of like people. Still, I'm glad no one died or was hurt. It was simply a bad situation and I hope you never have to face one like it again, Moose.
post #58 of 314
Great sig, Redbreast.
post #59 of 314
I had a good friend at church who was driving home late at night after closing his business up for the evening. He had his teenage son with him. A group of teenage thugs threw some beer bottles at his car and continued to harass him as he drove down the highway. Eventually he pulled over and got out of his car. The teenagers hit him with a bat several times in the head and left him unconcious on the side of the road. His son witnessed it all and called 911. The cops found the teenagers and arrested them. My friend spent several weeks in the hospital recovering from his injury.

I'm glad that your situation turned out all right. I think you handled it pretty well. My friend's situation didn't go so well, but I think he let his testosterone get in the way when he should have used that cell phone to get the cops there before he ever pulled over in the first place.

I don't want to get into the gun debate though. The whole thing sucks. It sucks that bad guys have guns and do stupid things with them. The bad guys are always going to have weapons though unless there was a Hitler-esque round up of all guns in the country. It would be quite an undertaking, and not a freedom I would be willing to part with. I wish there was an easy answer though.

I'm just glad that you kept a level head and your situation had a happy ending.
post #60 of 314
ITA with your whole post, Mamajama. I wish I knew how to communicate as well as you do.
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