Pulled my gun... - Page 5

[mamajama]

Well then Moose, why don't you respond to some of the points ShaggyDaddy brought up then. :

[mamajama]

Originally Posted by Moose

I need to address a couple of little things thou...and I admit this is probably a bad idea.. CANADIANS and EUROPEANS, Your welcome. You have the ability to live as you chose because the USA is here to protect you.

You think that it is because of the US that every country in Europe has freedom? That's a really interesting concept. Tell me, what did all these countries do before they gave birth to the US a very short time ago?

[Irishmommy]

Originally Posted by Moose

You have the ability to live as you chose because the USA is here to protect you. The only superpower on the planet has "got your back". Please read "Of Paradise and Power: America and Europe in the New World Order".

Lets see. Ireland was overrun by the British. The US did nothing to help, we got free on our own. As did India, among others. World War I started in 1914. The US didn't enter the war until 1917 when a US ship was sunk. World War II started in 1939, but the US didn't enter the war until 1941 when a US base was attacked. The US lost in Vietnam, and guess what - they also lost when the had a war against Canada. You know, that country above you that has gun control.

And the current debacle in Iraq has got nothing to do with protecting the world and everything to do with oil for the US.

[Irishmommy]

And the current debacle in Iraq has got nothing to do with protecting the world and everything to do with oil for the US.

[mamamoo]

Irishmommy!!! I can not believe people actually think we are protecting anyone anywhere. The only think the government in the US is interested in protecting is it's income, and the big corps. I really hope people know that there are many, many people in the US that know it is WRONG!!

[mamajama]

Originally Posted by Moose

Anyway......I wanted to know from the DADS if any of them carry? How there wives feel about it? Etc...

Slightly off topic: What's with the lingo anyway? Carry WHAT? When referring to guns, why is it that the noun is just kind of left out. Is it because the gun is concealed?
Anyway, I'm sure you'll find plenty of Dads on Mothering Dot Commune that have their wives sew handy little cloth holsters onto their baby-slings. That way you can carry a gun and your baby at the same time .

[Moose]

Sigh.....

Originally Posted by mamajama

Well then Moose, why don't you respond to some of the points ShaggyDaddy brought up then. :

Fine.

1) You left the safety of your vehicle.

2) You drew your weapon when it would not be ok to fire it.

First:
I opened my door, step out and turned around to face the other car. I had the bulk of my vehicle between myself and the other car. Vehicles are not safe. Your are surounded by glass and sheet metal. You could destroy a car with a can opener and a rock.

Second:
The assumption is I pointed it at the driver. I did not. I don’t point my firearm at anything I don’t intend to shoot. The pistol was pointed in the air and made easily visible. If the situation had called for me to discharge my weapon I would have shot both front tires of his vehicle and put two round in his radiator. The rounds I carry are high expansion glazers. They are specifically designed to expand quickly and dissipate upon impact, no ricochets. There by incapacitating his vehicle so I could leave and not be followed


Lastly:
I am an EMT! I dont take this lightly! I have had people DIE in my arms due to gun related wounds. Anyone else?...

This particular situation felt bad, gut feeling bad. I'm a big guy and very easy going. This night it just felt wrong. And I'm telling you right now If you cant defend yourself when you feel threatened then you WILL become a statistic.

[mamajama]

Originally Posted by Moose

Second:
The assumption is I pointed it at the driver. I did not. I don’t point my firearm at anything I don’t intend to shoot. The pistol was pointed in the air and made easily visible. If the situation had called for me to discharge my weapon I would have shot both front tires of his vehicle and put two round in his radiator. The rounds I carry are high expansion glazers. They are specifically designed to expand quickly and dissipate upon impact, no ricochets. There by incapacitating his vehicle so I could leave and not be followed

What if he had a gun?

[Mavournin]

Originally Posted by Moose

I need to address a couple of little things thou...and I admit this is probably a bad idea.. CANADIANS and EUROPEANS, Your welcome. You have the ability to live as you chose because the USA is here to protect you. The only superpower on the planet has "got your back".

: Oh please.


And I'm really surprised at how many people on this board support what you did - which is in essence committing a crime of gun violence. You threatened to hurt/kill another human. I've been in the position of being followed before and I never felt the need to be carrying a firearm. A cell phone can dial 911, and by not driving to your street you could have found a gas station, a convenience store, a fire station, a police station, an all night drugstore etc etc. Any of those places would have had other people around and you would have been able to find help without resorting to violence.

And with your DD in the car. For shame. What if she had woken up at your yelling and saw her father flashing a gun. Or worse, if those teenagers had a gun themselves and shot her father. What purpose does that serve? You can call yourself an excellent shot, but there is always someone better.

[Moose]

What if.....

Originally Posted by mamajama

What if he had a gun?

If he had gun, and if he had pulled it, and if he had pointed it at me. I would have shot him.

[Mavournin]

Originally Posted by Moose

If he had gun, and if he had pulled it, and if he had pointed it at me. I would have shot him.

Hmm... where I come from, committing a crime like that in front of a child guarantees that CPS would take your kid and never return them. But I guess if that is a risk you are willing to take... :

[Moose]

So what happens...

IF you cant find help? IF your cell phone doesnt work?

I am really glad that people do feel safe and secure in the kindness of the general public. And the reliablity of cell phones. Those same people must never read a paper or watch the news.

[mammastar2]

Moose,

I understand you would now like to talk to DADS only, who own GUNS, and I don't qualify in either respect, but since you happened to pop in the quote re the Australian experience (source?), I thought you might find the following interesting - seems the US gun lobby has been treating the public to some misinformation on the Australian stats:

http://www.guncontrol.org.au/index.php?article=32

I'm glad your daughter wasn't hurt or frightened. I don't think I could say much more about it than what has already been pointed out.

If gun control is 'off topic' in your view, I certainly won't bite on the whole 'U.S. global power' thing.

Cheers!

[mamajama]

Originally Posted by Moose

IF you cant find help? IF your cell phone doesnt work?

Difficult to hypothesise when you tried neither of those other methods.

[Canadianmommax3]

Originally Posted by Irishmommy

Lets see. Ireland was overrun by the British. The US did nothing to help, we got free on our own. As did India, among others. World War I started in 1914. The US didn't enter the war until 1917 when a US ship was sunk. World War II started in 1939, but the US didn't enter the war until 1941 when a US base was attacked. The US lost in Vietnam, and guess what - they also lost when the had a war against Canada. You know, that country above you that has gun control.

And the current debacle in Iraq has got nothing to do with protecting the world and everything to do with oil for the US.

[mamajama]

Originally Posted by Moose

If he had gun, and if he had pulled it, and if he had pointed it at me. I would have shot him.

Didn't you say you were aiming your gun up in the air?

[deleria]

I need to address a couple of little things thou...and I admit this is probably a bad idea.. CANADIANS and EUROPEANS, Your welcome. You have the ability to live as you chose because the USA is here to protect you. The only superpower on the planet has "got your back". Please read "Of Paradise and Power: America and Europe in the New World Order".

You REALLY believe that? Someone may have had an idea and written a book and had it published, but that doesn't make it true. Heck, Ezzo wrote a book about CIO and got it published, too. It doesn't take a rocket scientist or even a good idea. Just something that will sell books and make the publisher money. Still, I like to keep an open mind. I'm going to find the book and read it. It's written by an American, though. So I'm leaning towards a gradiose trip down Patriot Lane. "Look how great we are! We protect everyone!!'

America is a country with a lot of muscle, but most of it is spent overseas fighting an illegal war. A war that, in my opinion (and the opinion of many) isn't protecting us from anything. If anything, it's enraging people all over the world and probably breeding more terrorism. It's frightening.

Oh, and to stay on topic: I fully support protecting one's child. I don't support owning weapons for 'protection'. But hey, I'm Canadian so I'm sure this isn't shocking

[allgirls]

Originally Posted by Moose

are on.

I need to address a couple of little things thou...and I admit this is probably a bad idea.. CANADIANS and EUROPEANS, Your welcome. You have the ability to live as you chose because the USA is here to protect you. The only superpower on the planet has "got your back". Please read "Of Paradise and Power: America and Europe in the New World Order".



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all I have to say is this...I have read the book...lot of interesting opinions in there that I entirely disagree with...but it is an interesting way of looking at things.

Being a superpower carries a lot of responsibility.

If (big if)US protection is the reason Canada and Europe can live safely the way it does then why does US protection not afford that luxury to it's own citizens? Why don't Americans have the luxury of US protection? Shouldn't they have even more peace and ability to live the way they want? I mean it's their government doing the protecting.

If I were American I would be livid that people outside the US could live peacefully because of us, not having even remotely the threat of violence that they have within the protection of their own borders. If this is the case shouldn't the American government be focussing inward instead of outward.

When I think of all the money that has gone to fight a war in Iraq that could have been spent within America to promote peace within the country instead of violence outside...well it just seems so wrong. If I were American I would be just plain angry...well, I guess many of you are.

[Moose]

4 Dads

Well just to keep track so far, as of the 97 posts to this point, 4 posters have been Dads. So much for hearing from my peers...

I know everyone has a opinion. On everything. And thats great. But I would like to just hear from the Dads. On this subject. Is that possible?

[mamamoo]

Originally Posted by Moose

Well just to keep track so far, as of the 97 posts to this point, 4 posters have been Dads. So much for hearing from my peers...

I know everyone has a opinion. On everything. And thats great. But I would like to just hear from the Dads. On this subject. Is that possible?

ON Mothering? I doubt it.