Healing the Gut Tribe ~~ July! - Page 15

[JaneS]

And I do have a username change coming but NOT because of that laugh post!

Edit: I meant to say "last post"!

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by bluets

has anyone tried "Pure Radiance C" as a form of vitamin C with bioflavonoids?

http://www.synergy-co.com/pages/pure-radiance.html

Yes of course I have it! Eh, it's good I guess. Didn't make me automatically 10 years younger or anything like that. Expensive little bugger.

There are 2 amla powders/capsules at www.papanature.com that are filler free I think, we have Paradise Herbs.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by pumpkinseed

Hello!
Thank you, Moonshine for directing me here!
This is really a great thread-I am learning so much and am new to all of this. I have a question regarding CLO. How much do you take? And do you also give it to your little ones? I was reading some information that was saying NOT to take CLO in the summer months due to possible Vit D toxicity? Also that infants/toddlers should not take CLO? Just a little confused. How does this compare to just fish oil or flaxseed oil-benefits/disadvantages?
Thanks!

Yes, vitamin D without vitamin A should not be taken during summer months. But if you are taking high vitamin cod liver oil, there is not a concern. The two vitamins work in tandem to prevent each other's toxicity, this is very important and has been studied to death by the Weston Price foundation. Their most recent newsletter had a huge tome on it but it's not published online at their site yet, the issue has not sold out. It's at www.greenpasture.org under the title "Vitamin A on Trial"

This is probably the sole reason Mercola saw toxicity with his patients he was treating with vit. D. He didnt' give CLO or vitamin A. He gave D only.

And now he's hawking krill oil

Dosage and brand recs here:
http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnut...fications.html

[JaneS]

Infants should get their CLO thru breastmilk, with the mama taking at least 1 tablespoon IMO.

Toddlers there is no issue unless they have a reaction.

CLO is vastly superior to flax since the EPA/DHA is already converted so the body can use the fatty acids, plus the vitamins A and D that are essential for so many things. Spend some time reading at the WAPF site.

Fish oils become oxidized if vit. A and D is not present when the fatty acids are absorbed into our cells. The article, "Dioxins: A Case for Vegetarianism?" on WAPF talks about this b/c it actually shows how superior nutrition allows our bodies to filter out toxins. Plus many fish oils are of poor quality and they are already rancid. Capsules subjected to heat processing especially. (and why CLO in capsules is not recommended.)

CLO and fat soluble vitamins are one of my favorite things to blab about! Once I read Weston Price's book "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration" how could I not be enamored of it.

I'm in a weeeeird mood tonight. I think I need to go watch Project Runway or something.

[caedmyn]

JaneS--were you taking Houston enzymes at the beginning? Maybe I need to get some of those instead as I'm not sure mine are helping me much if at all.

[Siana]

Oh Gawd, I feel like a total mess

SCD is going well, but for some reason over the past 3 days, I've developed a terrible back-ache. As it gets worse, so does a headache that I seemed to have got at the same time. I've not done any lifting etc. out of the ordinary.

I used a hot compress on my back tonight and while it relieved the pain somewhat, my head still hurts and a few minutes after the compress cooled off, my back started hurting really badly again.

Any ideas what this could be, and what I can do about it?

If it helps, I'm going in to the drop in clinic tomorrow to get me B12 injections, so I can request other tests/procedures while there.

Oh why does it just seem like it's one thing after the other with my health? It almost seems like this might be something much larger than I expect

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by JaneS

Um... poop quality.

For someone who had spent the last 4 years in the bathroom multiple times a day or moaning the fact that I was NOT going at all ... it was so nice to just go in and be done with it quickly, easily and dare I say it ... comfortably. In and out, nothing really to um, wipe off afterwards. My food was obviously getting better digested.

My moods and sleeping improved noticeably, even better than the better I thought was better. (Follow that? )

And my s&*t finally didn't stink.

I know you are : but I'm serious!! There's normal poop smell and then there's SMELL. You really can tell all by that in adults not just bf babes.

I heard Oprah did a whole segment (no pun intended) about poop quality. And just as you describe was the ideal poop. Now we all know that your *hit doesn't stink.

Here! I found a review of the show! http://www.hawaiistories.com/kane/2005/08/

And another one! http://www.oprah.com/health/yourbody...tion_101.jhtml

Pat

[Logansmom]

Is this OK for SCD intro?

We started the SCD yesterday and my DS wouldn't eat any of the foods but the jello. This is what I was afraid of since he is such a picky eater. So this morning I made some chicken in the oven with honey drizzled on it and he ate it like it was the best thing ever. I am hoping the honey is ok since you can have the cheesecake which has honey in it.

When do die-off symptoms usually start? I don't really have any symptoms yet other than I haven't had a BM and I have what feels like indigestion. DS hasn't had a decent BM yet either just a really small one yesterday. He usually has at least 3 massive ones a day.

Do you usually give the supplements right from the start or wait until you are through intro?

I put shea butter w/ EPO in it on DS for his eczema, is it OK to keep putting this on him or should I not since shea is a nut?

Sorry for all the questions I just want to make sure I'm doing this right!

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by caedmyn

JaneS--were you taking Houston enzymes at the beginning? Maybe I need to get some of those instead as I'm not sure mine are helping me much if at all.

No, I did diet only for several months.

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by JaneS

No, I did diet only for several months.

I'm confused...did you feel like the diet alone was helping you? But then you saw positive improvements after you added enzymes? What enzymes were you using when you saw improvements, and did you see any difference when you switched to different enzymes?

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by scubamama

I heard Oprah did a whole segment (no pun intended) about poop quality. And just as you describe was the ideal poop. Now we all know that your *hit doesn't stink.

Here! I found a review of the show! http://www.hawaiistories.com/kane/2005/08/

And another one! http://www.oprah.com/health/yourbody...tion_101.jhtml

Pat

No way!!!!! I'm sorry I missed this... thanks for the links.

Dr. Oz is very wrong about gas though. It's not normal. The 14x/day must still be on a SAD diet with less than adequate probiotics. I hardly ever have gas now. Only certain raw vegetables once a great while. He recommended soybeans, argh, that would certainly produce a lot of gas. Artichokes too have a lot of a certain indigestible sugar.

And as usual he doesn't mention probiotics and instead relies on the mistaken assumption that unsoaked whole grains are beneficial to digestion and health. While they are "moving along digestive tract absorbing cholesterol and such" they are also preventing minerals from being absorbed and inhibiting digestive enzymes. And thus likely producing gas from fermentation.

The study of several native diets with no fiber (Eskimos, certain dairy herding African tribes) still resulted in perfect digestion. It's the intestinal flora, not fiber.

Baby aspririn, yeah THAT'S really great for your intestinal lining! NOT.
And coffee too! another mechanical means to get bowels moving but ignorant of the damage that occurs.

And don't forget medication too. Can't be healthy without that.

Sorry I'm being so negative!!!

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by caedmyn

I'm confused...did you feel like the diet alone was helping you? But then you saw positive improvements after you added enzymes? What enzymes were you using when you saw improvements, and did you see any difference when you switched to different enzymes?

Yes diet was enormously helpful! But I think using enzymes enabled me to heal quicker and go off SCD much shorter than the usual 1 year + timeline. I didn't have gas or bloating or bowel issues on diet (edit: unless I ate something before I was ready for it), but adding enzymes really kicked thinks up and healed me.

I used Houston's first. Had a nightmare of a time with Peptizyde but reintroduced very slowly. With meals, then in between. Then I moved on to other enzymes for all around product in place of Zyme Prime: Enzymedica. Thropps. Now I just take Thropps usually. Peptizyde once in a while but T. has a lot of proteases too.

Now I don't know if I would have had this experience without partway healing with diet too.... ?

And possibly the reason I had a good experience with SCD within a week or two is that before that I had seen some good results from raw milk kefir everyday ... ? And before that, Elmination Diet/Rotation Diet including no sugar.

So really I have been at this for a year or much longer. Just different successive regimes. I've tried everything!

[bluets]

Originally Posted by JaneS

Here are my stinky pit stories:

1. Upping my selenium from 100 to 200 mg gave me a week or two of smelliness.

2. Any kind of "killer" like tea tree oil doesn't work at all for me. This being summer I figured I'd try some natural deoderant with TTO. Peee-U! OMG I was so horrified at myself.

Went back to just using either Burt's Bees or Lush Silky Underwear powder after my shower and I'm fine even hiking in woods. Which is surprising b/c they are cornstarch based. But I wonder if it really is the skin flora deal, upsetting the balance does something.

i've been reading a bit about stinky pits and the most sensible thing i read (gah, misplaced the link now) is that it is likely a combination of detox and zinc deficiency.

[bluets]

healing your pet's gut

stupid unsearch function.... didn't somebody ask about healing your pet's gut?

i found an awesome article on cat and dog intestinal microbes: http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/reprint/134/8/2022S

[Pookietooth]

I make Creme Bulgare using the yogurmet starter, and its' yummy. Use it to make ice cream, as a topping, in NT recipes, etc. Now, if I could only stop getting migraines when I eat cow's milk, I'd be in heaven.

[EBG]

Originally Posted by Nolansmum

EBG-I live in the same area (Reston) and am wondering if you buy raw milk to make yogurt, and if you do where do you buy it? I was just reading about how in VA it is illegal to buy or sell raw milk. GRRR. I also read about buying 'shares' of a cow (it is legal to consume raw milk from a cow you own). Big thanks to my legislators for making healthy living easier.

Here are the Virginia resources:
http://www.westonaprice.org/localcha...Resources.html
Virginia
There's a contact for Reston, too. In principle you need to buy a cowshare, but it's really not a big deal and not a lot of money. The contact person might be able to help you without the cowshare, too.

Unfortuantely my DH doesn't let me get raw dairy so I use pasturized. Whole foods carries unhomogenized milk. They also carry Natural By Nature which is grass-fed but pasturized.

I'm still hoping to find something in the Mount Vernon area where I live...and hoping for DH to change his mind.

[EBG]

Originally Posted by Pookietooth

I make Creme Bulgare using the yogurmet starter, and its' yummy. Use it to make ice cream, as a topping, in NT recipes, etc. Now, if I could only stop getting migraines when I eat cow's milk, I'd be in heaven.

Do you use raw cream?
I have access to pasturized cream only. Would you boil that, too, like the milk, and then cool it down, etc...?

[Punchy Kaby]

Originally Posted by Pookietooth

I make Creme Bulgare using the yogurmet starter, and its' yummy. Use it to make ice cream, as a topping, in NT recipes, etc. Now, if I could only stop getting migraines when I eat cow's milk, I'd be in heaven.

Oh boy,I have had a mean headache ( I have suffered with migraines for years) for the past few days, wonder if it is the yogurt I started last Sunday. I love it though! I thought it may be due to more die-off. Shoot if it's not one thing bothering me it's another.

Sometimes I wish I was just normal, and ignorant. Ignorance=bliss?

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by Siana

Oh Gawd, I feel like a total mess

SCD is going well, but for some reason over the past 3 days, I've developed a terrible back-ache. As it gets worse, so does a headache that I seemed to have got at the same time. I've not done any lifting etc. out of the ordinary.

I used a hot compress on my back tonight and while it relieved the pain somewhat, my head still hurts and a few minutes after the compress cooled off, my back started hurting really badly again.

I love my chiro. He cured my husband's back/neck pain when he was being scheduled for surgery to repair it. Chiro says ice for 20 minutes on, as often as necessary, with at least 30 minutes ice off. This fixes a lot in about 24 hours. The adjustments help too. The headache may well be related to the back.

Pat

[sphinxie]

Hullo. Sometimes I feel out of place on this board cause I'm not following SCD. I'm seeing an ND and just trying to do everything she tells me to. I haven't asked her about SCD, but I doubt that I could do it given that I'm a vegetarian, have been allergic to eggs, and have old ED issues that make home cooking way more of a struggle. Not to mention the low energy from poor digestion, I dunno how you guys do it!

In an ideal world I'd like to undertake SCD, but given the way things actually are, I'd rather approach it in other ways. Is there anybody else around here working on healing their gut without SCD, or just somewhat guided by it?

My ND has come to the conclusion that what I have is mainly a parasite. Because I got a major YI despite being on significant probiotics, and am still having problems but my food allergies have diminished. So I'm starting a anti-parasite black walnut herbal combination along with my detox support meds. This is all over my head! Especially since the time I can ask questions is limited. I could email her a lot of questions but I would rather just follow her perscriptions.

My energy level is back to normal, with occasional dips. I had a month where it was really low most of the time, so that's finally over. My skin is a million times better, and my joints are quite reasonable, though I still have a ways to go. My digestion seems much better, as long as I avoid spicy foods and the (possibly rancid) oily-creamy things that have always bothered me.

Um, that would be my tummy-level-digestion which is better... on the poop level, it ain't so good. What exactly is causing the problem? My DP eats the same food as me, and he poops fine! (I'm still not quite used to discussing these things!) I'm not really sure what it is but it's as though it's too soft but with a hard core, or just random hard parts. And very small amounts. Hrm, TMI, whee. I'm taking a couple things to get it better for the time being, but when can I expect it to improve on its own?

I also have to keep working on drinking enough water. I do drink a lot more than I used to, though.

Has anyone gotten into juicing for this stuff? Now that my weight's back up, I'm considering it, but IME juicers are really hard to clean. Although the juicers I used were all old. Have things improved?

ETA: After saying that I checked a document on an anti-candida diet my ND sent me and it's remotely similar to SCD, mainly about getting lower carbohydrates. Oh boy!