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post #421 of 554
Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneS
The gold standard for yeast/bacteria is the OAT, but it uses first AM urine... hard to do in little ones.

My ins. pays for the CDSA. We have BC/BS PPO which is the best one can get I think, fairly liberal with allowances.

Whether it's useless I don't know. The Environmental/DAN dr. we are seeing now thinks they are helpful but he always does the full CDSA, not just bacteria/yeast. So I'm actually doing one on DS this week.
Both my boys are out of diapers, so it is a non issue. Should I request both, or is that overkill?

ETA:both tests, not both boys
post #422 of 554
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Originally Posted by bluets
I lucked out and found a family physician who actually reads the alternative medicine literature. When I mentioned leaky gut to her, she asked if I was taking glutamine for starters.
Thank you, bluets, I am buying some glutamine today! And thanks for the articles- they will certainly be of help to me, and we'll see if I even keep seeing this a$$ gut doc (who still hasn't called me, btw: ) if I have the ovaries to hand him a bunch of info. (I've had really bad experiences with 'overstepping my boundaries' with docs and other medical staff [the whole lot of them are idiots, I'm convinced].)

Glutamine glutamine off to buy some glutamine....

ETA: Forgot to ask- what dosage is recommended??
post #423 of 554
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Originally Posted by MommyofPunkiePie
My theory is that they don't want to believe in Leaky Gut, because if the cause is eliminated so are the symptoms. And if the symptoms are eliminated, so is the need for the doctor...
Great minds.... I was thinking this exact thought!!

Thank you for the hug, I needed that!
post #424 of 554
Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneS
Anyone in UK or ROI here?

I'd love to have The Inside Out Diet book and packet from Gut Week:
http://www.gutweek.org.uk/
Found the diet here:

The Inside Out Diet
(free if you register)
http://www.insideoutdiet.co.uk/

Will be reading today... download with me and let's discuss.
post #425 of 554
Quote:
Originally Posted by AmyD
Both my boys are out of diapers, so it is a non issue. Should I request both, or is that overkill?

ETA:both tests, not both boys
I think so re: overkill, follow the links to both tests from the Cheat Sheet.
post #426 of 554
Greeeeat... DS is off enzymes for testing this week... just woking up screaming from his 1 hr. short nap. :
post #427 of 554

Yougurt cultured with kefir grains?

So my yogurt failed again!

One issue is that my oven thermometer is not as accurate as I thought. It seems to make the best yogurt at ~95C. Also, it takes a long time to register the temp.

Going with 95C however, I find it a pain in the arse to get my oven to stay at that temp - I tried propping the door open, turing the light off or on depending. The stove/oven is one of those models where if I wanted to replace the bulb temporarily, it would be a laboured process :

So I'm not sure what I'm going to do now.
Plan A: Buy a new oven therometer
Plan B: Buy a yogurt maker (apparently Yougourmet has a great one).

In the mean time, can I take this yogurt and add kefir grains to it and ferment it at room temp.? Any reasons why I shouldn't do this?
post #428 of 554
Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneS
Found the diet here:

The Inside Out Diet
(free if you register)
http://www.insideoutdiet.co.uk/

Will be reading today... download with me and let's discuss.
I skimmed it...I'm not too impressed. Seems to be the traditional "healthy SAD"--low fat (especially saturated), little red meat, whole grains.
post #429 of 554
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Originally Posted by caedmyn
I skimmed it...I'm not too impressed. Seems to be the traditional "healthy SAD"--low fat (especially saturated), little red meat, whole grains.
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post #430 of 554
Quote:
Originally Posted by Siana
In the mean time, can I take this yogurt and add kefir grains to it and ferment it at room temp.? Any reasons why I shouldn't do this?
Do that. It should work.

Short of buying a yogurt maker, you can try the cooler method. Just add some warm water to the bottom of the cooler and keep the cooler in a warm place (but not too hot in summer). I cover it in a blanket for further insulation. You might need to change the water once for 24 hour yogurt.
post #431 of 554
I finally figured out my yogurt situation for the summer.

Heat raw goat milk to 110 degrees. Add starter (I ran out of progurt so I've been using buffalo milk yogurt available at my co-op). Place in mason jars & place on top of wool army blanket. Place heating pad on LOW on top of jars & wrap the wool blanket around. It is working great.

Note, keep the heating pad on low unless you want 6 quarts of goat cheese : Use high setting in the winter
post #432 of 554
OK, this is OT, but DH is getting deployed at the beginning of next year. He will probably be required to get some vaxes before being deployed. Anyone have any suggestions on things he can do before and after the vaxes to minimize any damage? Anything to be done before needs to be something that can be done long-term as he may not have any advance notice, so he would just have to do whatever every day. He eats somewhat healthy (mostly whole foods, but lots of diet pop). I was thinking I would have him take some sodium ascorbate every day (maybe 5 grams?) plus extra after the vaxes. And maybe some CLO afterwards...I don't think I can get him to take it every day before.
(I did post this in the vax forum but thought I might get some answers here, too.)
post #433 of 554

Beginning fermenting questions

Hi,

I'm interested in possibly fermenting some veggies for Evan to see if he'll eat them that way, and I am also interested in trying water kefir. I don't know anything about this. I read the cheat sheet but I have some questions.

For the veggies, can anyone recommend where I can get a starter culture that is casein-free, and was not grown in any dairy medium ? (And how is the starter culture different from a capsule of probiotic that contains 3 lactos, 4 bifidos, and streptococcus thermophilus ? Is is possible to just use probiotic as a starter culture ?)

For the water kefir, grains don't sound very appealing. Is there any sort of powder I can use that is casein-free and can work for water kefir ?

I'm hoping that including cultured foods can get us off this plateau we are stuck on with DS's healing, and also maybe reduce the amount of money we have to spend on his probiotics. I need everything to be casein-free because he is so incredibly allergic and reactive to it.

Thanks !

Linda B.
post #434 of 554
Thread Starter 
My dd's CDSA results said borderline yeast. The reference range goes up to 7.0. Hers was 7.0

I did not take her off of yogurt or enzymes for 3 days prior to testing though even though the test said to do that. I figured I wanted a picture of what's happening right now, not what WAS happening before we've made this little bit of progress.

Here's what I can't figure out:
Under Analyte - Digestion/Absorption

Putrefactive SCFA's (simple chain fatty acids) she's waaaay out of reference range. Hers is 11/3 (range is from 1/3-8.6)

I don't understand this at all. I mean I know what putrefactive means and I know scfa's are related to the digestion of protein but that's it. The test results do not explain anything but they do give lists of anitbiotics that can be considered "helpful or not to much."

She has lots of e.coli bacteria (under beneficial bacteria) so that's good - has enough bifidobacerium but NO lactobacillus species AT ALL. What do I do about that? Shouldn't the 24 hour yogurt be giving her this too?????

I'm so confused. :

Jane, want some practice interpreting dd's results so you'll be an expert at ds's when his come back?

I actually found out about a naturopath in this area I didn't know about before and am going to call tomorrow to see if he'll see dd and perhaps help me interpret. Don't know if he sees kids though. It's slim pickin's in my area.

Oh and no for the yeast. Well, actually borderline as a "Potential Pathogen" so I'm guessing that means we've gotten it under control somewhat.
post #435 of 554
Thread Starter 
BTW Linda,
There is a fermenting thread under nutrition somewhere. Now that the search function is working you ought to be able to find it. Lots of good info there.
post #436 of 554
Quote:
Originally Posted by llp34
Hi,

I'm interested in possibly fermenting some veggies for Evan to see if he'll eat them that way, and I am also interested in trying water kefir. I don't know anything about this. I read the cheat sheet but I have some questions.

For the veggies, can anyone recommend where I can get a starter culture that is casein-free, and was not grown in any dairy medium ? (And how is the starter culture different from a capsule of probiotic that contains 3 lactos, 4 bifidos, and streptococcus thermophilus ? Is is possible to just use probiotic as a starter culture ?)

For the water kefir, grains don't sound very appealing. Is there any sort of powder I can use that is casein-free and can work for water kefir ?

I'm hoping that including cultured foods can get us off this plateau we are stuck on with DS's healing, and also maybe reduce the amount of money we have to spend on his probiotics. I need everything to be casein-free because he is so incredibly allergic and reactive to it.

Thanks !

Linda B.
You don't actually need a starter culture for veggies, just the veggies, filtered water, and salt (and seasonings if desired). Some recipes call for whey, but you can omit it or use liquid from a previous batch of fermented veggies (ie liquid from sauerkraut made w/o whey). There is a powder for making water kefirs. I don't know if it contains casein or not--if you google it, or check the Body Ecology website, you should be able to find it. The water kefir grains are actually really cool--they look like little clear jewels. They're not all slimy like the milk ones if you've seen those.
post #437 of 554
Quote:
Originally Posted by caedmyn
I skimmed it...I'm not too impressed. Seems to be the traditional "healthy SAD"--low fat (especially saturated), little red meat, whole grains.
Yeah

Sorry I should have checked it before posting. I was just so thrilled to see some other diet for gut flora.
post #438 of 554
Quote:
Originally Posted by EBG
Also, mamas with yeast and eczema issues...
Is anybody getting better? I'm very very itchy......arghh
Last week after starting culturelle again after 6 months, it started getting better, I had like two spots altogether, now I'm covered again and it's as bad as it was before the diet and supplements. If it's die-off again,why is it coming back? Why I can't I get rid of this stupid yeast since last December?
I have tried:
candida diet, SCD, NT, combination,
probiotics - culturelle and SCD yogurt and kefir
enzymes -Digest, Digest Gold
taking CLO, butter, CO, garlic, multivitamin, extra zinc, vitamin C, folic acid, B12, cal-mag dolomite, glutamine,
No sugar, grains (except NT oatmeal occasionnaly), no fruit, honey, no raw veggies except occassional tomatoes, no cheese
lots of eggs, meat, veggies, butter, broth

I can't do EPO or borage or flax- they give me hives

please help!!!! I'm going crazy!!
What about enzymes between meals? Candex, Candidase... ?

Whoops, I just saw in another post you did Candidase with no effect. One hour before or two hours after eating? Morning and night? I've never used Candidase but it seems pretty high in proteases.

What about environmental issues? Mold in home?
post #439 of 554
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Originally Posted by Nolansmum
I found this article on the dangers of soy:
http://www.healingcrow.com/soy/soy.html

I am going to pass it on to many of my friends. I ate a lot of soy before going on SCD, I was convinced it was a healthy food.
Mothering actually had an article not too long ago:

http://www.mothering.com/articles/gr...soy_story.html

More info at www.westonaprice.org too.
post #440 of 554
Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneS
Found the diet here:

The Inside Out Diet
(free if you register)
http://www.insideoutdiet.co.uk/

Will be reading today... download with me and let's discuss.
I took a quick look. They want you to buy their probiotic product, that is the most important part of the diet . Not too much different from what everyone touts as the 'healthy diet'-low fat, whole grains, low fat milk products, lean meats, and lots of fruits and veggies. Ho-hum.

They did have nice pictures of poop
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