Healing the Gut Tribe ~~ July! - Page 26

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by Annikate

Question re: lactose intolerance:

I am learning (through studying dd's stool analysis results) that people w/lactose intolerance do not produce lactobacillus.

This makes sense. DD has NO lactobacillus.

Does this mean she should not be having the 24hr. yogurt? Should I switch her to goat yogurt? OR . . should I get her some L. acidophilus too?

DD actually was HIGHLY sensitive to dairy in my diet when she was ebf.

She has not had cow's milk in forever but eats cheese EVERY day.

???
24 hr yogurt does not have lactose and does have acidophilus if you are using a yogurt culture with it included.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by Annikate

maybe. . .

We'll see how the next year goes.

I betcha AmyD would do it... !

[Annikate]

Originally Posted by JaneS
24 hr yogurt does not have lactose

oh yeah. Well, that's confusing then. Where in the heck is all dd's lactobacillus going?

[Annikate]

Originally Posted by JaneS
We'll see how the next year goes.

I betcha AmyD would do it... !

Now that would be fun(ny).

Anybody here a filmmaker? We'd have to make a documentary out of that one!

[JaneS]

Haven't a clue!! These kids are some tough nuts to crack.
How much yogurt is she eating?

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by Annikate

Now that would be fun(ny).

Anybody here a filmmaker? We'd have to make a documentary out of that one!

[Annikate]

She eats at least 1/2 c. a day. Then again, she wasn't eating it EVERY day right before the test. I was supposed to have stopped it all together before testing but didn't want to put her through another bout of painful constipation (which is what would have happened.)

[Annikate]

RE: Yeast

For those of you who are battling yeast, here's a very interesting link.
Read on the front page under "About Me" and at the bottom is a picture of what it can look like in the stool.

I'm posting this because I swear dd2 has had these before and I just thought they were undigested grapes. ( I cut them into tiny little pieces for her since she only has a few teeth.)

YIKES! Looks like we're dealing w/this form of yeast.

Here's the link:
http://www.sashasrecovery.com/about_me.html

[Emilie]

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.... I am off to the health foods store tomorrow for some proiotics,,, and I am just so confused....
I am sure ds hasencopresis....
I am so sad for him,.... I am addressing this is a whole new way ASAP.
Thanks so much...
Emilie

[Pattyla]

Annikate- DD had the same result. I have decided that the result means nothing since it also said that she had 0 yeast and she obviously has a yeast problem. We have decided to not do the oat test but instead rely on the symptoms that all point to yeast for her and me.

[Kundalini-Mama]

Originally Posted by JaneS

We'll see how the next year goes.

I betcha AmyD would do it... !

: : : :

Oh man, do you know me or what

Me: Honey, I think I've figured out a way to heal our DS's gut
DH: the diet?
Me: Well yes, but more than that
DH: the probiotics right?
Me: yes, probiotics. But not via mouth, you see.
DH: intravenous probiotics? I've never heard of that.
Me: No dear, actually inter-anally. You see, JaneS and I are going to kidnap a lil' amish kid, you know there is a whole community of them around Lancaster, PA, and we are going to take his poop and put it into each of our children. I've read its a pretty messy procedure, but we'll rent a hotel so we don't have to get our stuff dirty and we'll rent some DVDs to keep them intertained and I'll make some of that cashew cake for us all to enjoy while the procedure is happening.......

:

But seriously, there is a community of people in my neighborhood. The Twelve Tribes. All healthy, organic, WAP people, yk? No vaxes and such. A good friend of mine was a member for some time and we talked about the autism connection. They have tribes all over the world and talk frequently and such and really know the general ongoings w/other members worldwide. She knows of 2 autistic cases. TWO.

So maybe I could recruit some of them for a fecal donation, I'm sure they would help me out, we are on friendly terms and all, and then Jane and I wouldn't have to do that whole kidnapping thing....

[Kundalini-Mama]

So DH just came home. I told him about the transplant.

DH: So you are going to stick s*** up your a**.
Me: No, we are going to stick s*** up DS's a**.
DH: And you wonder why I go out after work

[bigknitwit]

chronic constipation

Can I join the conversation here? I've been hesitant to join because the 26 pages of reading in this thread is a little daunting. Forgive me if this has allready been covered many times.

I am frustrated, angry, and worried all at the same time for my oldest ds. He is chronically constipated. We have been treating him with miralax for a few months, and yet I don't feel like the situation has gotten much better. I'm worried about taking him off the Miralax, as his ped-gastro doctor assures us he must stay on it or he will regress. His rectum is somewhat stretched, and so the doctor says that once it returns to normal shape, he will be ready to be taken off the laxative. He has bowel movements daily, but they are more indicative of a blockage/impaction (which is what he had to begin with). He has had 4 abdominal x-rays and while I'd like to get another one to see what's going on in there, I'm hesitant to do so. Too much x-raying is not good either...

Looking back, his constipation started around the time he was no longer getting milk while nursing (I was pregnant and we tandem nursed later). Before that we had no issues. I hate giving him the Miralax. I'm considering giving him a magnesium supplement instead, but too much magnesium has it's consequences too, doesn't it? I am truly at a loss as to what to do next, and it's literally keeping me awake at night (that's why I'm up right now).

[Annikate]

Originally Posted by AmyD
So DH just came home. I told him about the transplant.

DH: So you are going to stick s*** up your a**.
Me: No, we are going to stick s*** up DS's a**.
DH: And you wonder why I go out after work

We are all here aren't we?

[Annikate]

Kirsten,
Read a couple of pages back - - I posted about dd1's constipation issues. She's had it for almost her whole life and was on a stool softener for TOO LONG.

When I started her on the SCDiet and 24 hour yogurt things improved. BUT she can have NO "illegals". I mean not a trace or she'll regress.

Read the sticky at the top of the health and healing page that JaneS posted about healing the gut. That will help a lot.

It IS a lot of information to take in but the ladies here are great and will help you along.

[sparkletruck]

I posted a biggy last night and then mdc wouldnt put it through - ARGH.

I read the cheat sheet yesterday and now would like to find people to talk to who have actually done some of the things. MY problem is candida. 2.5 wks ago I miscarried and had a d&c : which I now horribly regret b/c I apper to have a yeast overgrowth problem now. Never have hadone before. I certainly ate and craved a lot more carbs during those 2 wks, but I figured it was depression begging for sugar. Then I started noticing last week my abdomen pooching out quite a lot, sometimes with cramps sometimes not. I looked on the web and diagnosed myself with yeast (antibiotics for a week following the d&c, and high levels of estrogen/progesterone which apparently yeast like, and all those carbs). I did take some acidopholus last week, but not until I realized what this could mean did I crank that up several notches, and cut the carbs wayyy back. yesterday was my first day of no carbs at all and it was hell. I was (AM) hungry, cranky, and SAD about all this. I saw my accupuncturist friday and she prescribed an herb combination anti-fungal after seeing the yeast on my tongue. I have definitely had headaches and felt not myself, but then again, I have been seriously grieving so its just too hard to tell what is coming from what.

My questions are about the specifics of the anti-yeast regimine. What has your experience been with specific probiotics (Ive read that lactobacillus S.... [cant remember the wor except its the only one starting with S] is the best for taking the place of the yeast). Ive *just* been taking acidophillus which seems to be not nearly enough - is this true? My candida diet does not allow yogurt.... And haev any of you ised enzymes that you've noticed a difference with. I have never had food allergies (knock wood) or digestion problems or immunity problems, so otherwise ont think I need them, but I read that a certain kind help break the shell of the yeasts in the gut to then make the AF's work better. How do these enzymes even make it to the gut? How do they make it through the stomach and pancreatic acid? Do I believe this b/c I want to or has anyone had experience? That FAQ sheet also mentions that it takes about a month for every year you've had it to get rid of. Is this one of the things JaneS you dont believe? How long should I expect to do this so hard core if ive been infected for 2 weeks? I wish there were an answer like the diet, af's, probiotics, enzymes and diet hard core for 2 wks Its really not funny. If we do want to ttc again, I dont want to with this. Your thoughts? And the last thing is the diet, I guess. I can suffer through this, but for how long? The Yeast connection (which Ive only read blurbs of on the web) says you can introduce fruit again in 2 weeks.

Anyway, I just really want personal help. How do I wade through all the *theories* and choose a protocal that I can have faith in? Why dont I just take lamisil with all the other stuff and knock this sh** out? Ugh. Im about ready to go to pennsylvania with you!

Thanks
jess

[ericaz]

Who's going to Pennsylvania?? Must've missed that post I'm in PA!

Sorry to hear about your m/c, saskiasmom. I can relate...I had one in Feb/March (I didn't go in to have a D&C and I ended up having a missed abortion meaning that the entire embryo didn't come out all at once....it went on for an entire month!) and can relate to feeling depressed and crappy and frustrated. My symptoms also came back after the m/c (I suspect because I took pain killers which caused leaky gut which caused the yeast) but I have experience with conquering yeast/leaky gut in the past. It's a hard pill to swallow having to completely revamp your diet/lifestyle and it can be sooooooo overwhelming.

As for the beneficial yeast, are you talking about Saccharomyces Boulardii?

Eliminating sugars, carbs and any other yeast-promoting foods usually can last for months, if not years. I can't imagine anyone with a true yeast overgrowth simply eliminating them for a few weeks and feeling better for any stretch of time.
Do you have any other symptoms aside from the bloat and cramps?

[sparkletruck]

Not really, but its hard to tell. I actually allowed myself forbidden food on thursday and friday b/c I was so pissed and just didnt care, and didnt feel bad, I just get a big belly. Ive actually been more depressed in the past two days than in the last week. I felt like I was coming along well in mourning and moving on and then this, and it brings it all back again. "If only..". So the symptoms I have are too hard to separate from the loss, because when I read that yesterday about taking a month, suddenly I felt great. My tongue looks better, so Im using that as a guide too. I dont know. Thanks for responding. Ironically (is it irony?) my dh is an md, and he isnt too worried about this, he says to have faith in my immune system. I wish I could and go get a bran muffin for breakfast instead of eggs eggs and more eggs (hurl). So what have you done to heal it in the past?

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by saskiasmom

I posted a biggy last night and then mdc wouldnt put it through - ARGH.

I read the cheat sheet yesterday and now would like to find people to talk to who have actually done some of the things. MY problem is candida. 2.5 wks ago I miscarried and had a d&c : which I now horribly regret b/c I apper to have a yeast overgrowth problem now. Never have hadone before. I certainly ate and craved a lot more carbs during those 2 wks, but I figured it was depression begging for sugar. Then I started noticing last week my abdomen pooching out quite a lot, sometimes with cramps sometimes not. I looked on the web and diagnosed myself with yeast (antibiotics for a week following the d&c, and high levels of estrogen/progesterone which apparently yeast like, and all those carbs). I did take some acidopholus last week, but not until I realized what this could mean did I crank that up several notches, and cut the carbs wayyy back. yesterday was my first day of no carbs at all and it was hell. I was (AM) hungry, cranky, and SAD about all this. I saw my accupuncturist friday and she prescribed an herb combination anti-fungal after seeing the yeast on my tongue. I have definitely had headaches and felt not myself, but then again, I have been seriously grieving so its just too hard to tell what is coming from what.

My questions are about the specifics of the anti-yeast regimine. What has your experience been with specific probiotics (Ive read that lactobacillus S.... [cant remember the wor except its the only one starting with S] is the best for taking the place of the yeast). Ive *just* been taking acidophillus which seems to be not nearly enough - is this true? My candida diet does not allow yogurt.... And haev any of you ised enzymes that you've noticed a difference with. I have never had food allergies (knock wood) or digestion problems or immunity problems, so otherwise ont think I need them, but I read that a certain kind help break the shell of the yeasts in the gut to then make the AF's work better. How do these enzymes even make it to the gut? How do they make it through the stomach and pancreatic acid? Do I believe this b/c I want to or has anyone had experience? That FAQ sheet also mentions that it takes about a month for every year you've had it to get rid of. Is this one of the things JaneS you dont believe? How long should I expect to do this so hard core if ive been infected for 2 weeks? I wish there were an answer like the diet, af's, probiotics, enzymes and diet hard core for 2 wks Its really not funny. If we do want to ttc again, I dont want to with this. Your thoughts? And the last thing is the diet, I guess. I can suffer through this, but for how long? The Yeast connection (which Ive only read blurbs of on the web) says you can introduce fruit again in 2 weeks.

Anyway, I just really want personal help. How do I wade through all the *theories* and choose a protocal that I can have faith in? Why dont I just take lamisil with all the other stuff and knock this sh** out? Ugh. Im about ready to go to pennsylvania with you!

Thanks
jess

I would guess you probably had yeast issues before, but maybe they weren't apparent, and the antibiotics just made things bad enough for them to be apparent. That's just a gues, though, since it seems the vast majority of people have gut issues (not necessarily digestive problems, but things related to gut flora imbalance) these days.

Enzymes for in between meals for yeast killing contain cellulases (for breaking the outer yeast coating) and usually proteases, also (for mopping up the dead yeast and reducing die-off symptoms). Some common brands are Candex, Candidase, and Candizyme.

There is a yahoo group specifically for yeast with a specific protocol--it's called candidasupport. That the protocol I am doing right now. It has four steps--diet, supplements (vitamins basically), anti-fungals, and probiotics. It uses a natural probiotic food, cabbage rejuvelac (made with cabbage and water--really easy to make).

As far as how long you'll have to do an anti-yeast diet, you kind of have to go by personal experience. Get to a point where you feel kind of stabilized (ie not so awful and your symptoms are better or gone--BTW you sound like you're having die-off, which is a good sign). Then after a bit try adding something like a little fruit and see how you feel. If you feel terrible or yeast symptoms return, you aren't ready for that food.

[ericaz]

Originally Posted by saskiasmom

So what have you done to heal it in the past?

God, what didn't I do?
What was key for me (after spending $$$ on massive amounts of supplements and practitioner appts) was to have a CDSA through Trent Nichols (I posted about him with a link a few posts up). From there I took prescribed antifungals (had been on long term Diflucan before but apparently my yeast was resistant to Diflucan) in conjunction with anti-fungal herbs. I had already been on a refined carb-free/dairy free VERY pure diet for months so I'm sure that gave the treatment a kick start.

While CDSAs are not always accurate, I think it's a good idea to have one done, especially if your main problem is digestive.