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post #21 of 85
I can't begin to answer that question. They are all just equally inexcusable in my estimation.

Deir, why on earth would you keep that thing?

I'd toss it and either tell MIL why, or if you just can't do that, tell her it broke.

You don't have to put anything in your house that makes you uncomfortable. It's your sanctuary!

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About the Pearls... Let's not forget that they actually advise to set babies up to be hit too. Entice them with interesting things, and... then... >whack!<

There's just nothing productive that can be said about this.
post #22 of 85
Yeah, a prominant member of our community gave me "To Train Up a Child" by the Pearls. I decided to read it with an open mind. Oh MY GOODNESS!!!!! I about died! Put your glasses down in front of your child and switch them with a stick until they don't touch them anymore!!!!!!! Also, let your baby cry so that it learns not cry. Yeah, the Pearls get my blood boiling! (I think they should be switched for everything and see how THEY like it.)
post #23 of 85
They all make me ill. I just want to go grab my kids and hug them when i think of everything these people are teaching.
post #24 of 85
Check out www.stoptherod.net

Ugh
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post #25 of 85
OMG, clearly the Pearls have NOOOOO understanding about child rearing, child development or child psychology AT ALL. It just disgudts me how many children have been emotionally scarred through the years due to the teachings they have!!! I know so many Christians who really believe spanking is required of them by the bible, which is really not the case at all unless you twist the interpretation of certain verses. I am just sick to my stomache..... We lived with a family with 6 kids and the parents got on me CONSTANTLY cuz they beat thier kids with a belt. It was how they obeyed God. I* am sorry, but my children are precious gifts of God, last time I checked God didn't go around whipping ME so what gives me the right to be that way????
post #26 of 85
Quote:
Originally Posted by aira
I can't begin to answer that question. They are all just equally inexcusable in my estimation.

Deir, why on earth would you keep that thing?

I'd toss it and either tell MIL why, or if you just can't do that, tell her it broke.

You don't have to put anything in your house that makes you uncomfortable. It's your sanctuary!

-----

About the Pearls... Let's not forget that they actually advise to set babies up to be hit too. Entice them with interesting things, and... then... >whack!<

There's just nothing productive that can be said about this.
I totally agree. How about I set a big pile of money or something in front of you and then punch you when you reach for it?! HOW does that teach a child ANYTHING???????
And my MIL trid to give me this plank thing that she joked was to hang on the wall as a visual reminder to my kids.... I told her it was disgusting. Some grandparenst might get on you about spoiling your child but you'd think they would be happy you were not hitting thier precious grandbabies. KWIM?
post #27 of 85
Tonia, I went to that site you posted - - - omg...I can't believe anyone would BUY something like that. Ugh. Is there an emoticon for "puking til my head explodes" - - that's how I feel about that stupid thing.
post #28 of 85
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Deir, why on earth would you keep that thing?

I'd toss it and either tell MIL why, or if you just can't do that, tell her it broke.

You don't have to put anything in your house that makes you uncomfortable. It's your sanctuary!


oh geez......My MIL doesn't advocate that stuff!! "train up you children" was a bible quote before it was a title of a sadistic book! She's fairly religious and I think she wishes we were too!!

Wow- i gotta be careful here on MDC!
post #29 of 85
My last post was weird..I tried to put in a quote from above oh well.. still getting the hang of this!


Anyway- My dh and I were just so disgusted reading pearls' stuff and Dobson is horrendous too!! Sick.
post #30 of 85
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deir
oh geez......My MIL doesn't advocate that stuff!! "train up you children" was a bible quote before it was a title of a sadistic book! She's fairly religious and I think she wishes we were too!!

Wow- i gotta be careful here on MDC!
Uh, I just meant that you said it made you uncomfortable... "sick" is how I think you described it?

Regardless of MIL's intentions, I was going by what you said it made you feel.
post #31 of 85
Train up isn't actually in the original language.

What was translated, "Train up," is the Hebrew word, "Channuk," which means, "Dedicate."

The only place in the Bible in which, "Channuk," is translated, "Train-up" is in that one verse, every other time the word, "Channuk," is translated, it is properly rendered, "Dedicate."

If you look at the Biblical mandate as "dedicate your children," instead of the more punitive, "train-up," it lends itself to a more grace-based approach.

Sort of what we want for ourselves.
post #32 of 85
Quote:
Originally Posted by DebraBaker
Pearls are the worst thing out there (slightly worse than Fugate, Bradley, and Lessin.)
Bradley?
As in Bradley childbirth method Bradley?
post #33 of 85
IMO, Dobson. As others have said, most people look at the Pearls and Ezzo with revulsion, but Dobson is insidious - the way he has lured people with spiritual blackmail is disgusting.
post #34 of 85

Thumbs up for Sears while we're bashing these folks

Ladies, Ezzo and Dobson aside, I like Dr. William Sears----I have most of his books. He doesn't believe in spanking and has a healthy Christian perspective on attachment parenting without being too pushy.
post #35 of 85
Quote:
Originally Posted by rockinmama
Bradley?
As in Bradley childbirth method Bradley?
I'm thinking she's probably meaning someone like this guy, who I found through googling "bradley child discipline".

While I have my own issues with THE Bradley's teachings, I don't think he had any official thoughts on raising 'em after they were birthed.
post #36 of 85
Um...what she said, Reb Bradley (the name should give a clue, I'd expect a Confederate flag on the back of the truck with a
Getrdone sticker.

If he wasn't Fundie, some truck testicles.
post #37 of 85

off topic

Quote:
Originally Posted by DebraBaker
If he wasn't Fundie, some truck testicles.
Oh MAN, what is up with those things?

At first I sort of giggled when I saw them, but now it's just gross. And causes me to think VERY belittling comments about the anatomy of the male owner of those trucks....not quite what they were going for, perhaps?
post #38 of 85
I'd never even heard of these people until I checked out this thread. I'm crying after reading Georgia's link. The Pearls are sick people...I'm so disgusted right now.:
post #39 of 85
Dobson is scary because he seems so "loving" and benign at first blush, especially if you're an uniformed parent. He can suck you in.

Ezzo is just Satan himself. No, Pearl is. No, Ezzo. No, Pearl....: ...they're going to bunk together in hell, that's all I know.
post #40 of 85
I agree with others that although Ezzo and Pearl are much worse in terms of what they advocate, Dobson is more insidious because he's more mainstream. Dobson actually has a few good ideas mixed in with the crap, so I think he draws in more people. And Dobson is very politically influential; his lobby controls most of Congress. But he isn't even close to the evil advocated by Ezzo/Pearl. I suspect that most Dobsonite parents love their children and sincerely believe that they're doing what's best for them. I don't think that's true of the hardcore child-torture fetishists like Pearl.
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