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post #1 of 43
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My husband and I spent the morning discussing this issue.

Many of you have privately and publicly suggested that JALP would be of use in certain quarters.

We have decided this.

If there is someone you think should read JALP, we would like you to first approach them either in writing or in person, and get a commitment to read the book. Preferably, in a sense, get that commitment in writing.

Tell us about it.

We will then send you a copy at our expense, not to give to them, but to LEND to them. Put your name in it. Let them know you will chase it up in a month, to get it back, which will put them on notice.

What we are concerned about is that there are limited copies, but we don't want to squash anyone's enthusiasm to rattle a few cages.

If you are really convinced, and prepared to do the spadework to make sure these people will read it, and want to know, and you will retrieve the book, then we will send books to you.

BUT to just post it to someone out of the blue won't work. It will be without a context, and no incentive to move on it, and be buried in a heap.

Think about it. You were only attracted to the idea of JALP in the first place, because poor Bestbirths and Gillie have to mod me . Who would want that job?

The rest of you probably just wanted to hear what else I'd have to say when my knickers weren't hung in public.

The context was that you knew me.

We can't send something to some who will just say "And who is that antipodean ant?"

IF a person has a relationship with another, as I do with you, then the context becomes more meaningul, and the recipient is more likely to take the issues more seriously.

So... what do you think?

Obviously I don't want to be sending out hundreds of copies given that its a hugely expensive exercise, but whatever copies we send out, ideally, we want kept moving to challenge people's thought processes.

So you'd need to get them back and keep them moving, if that something that you have the commitment to doing and want to do, .... or if there comes a time when there is no-one else to lend it to, then donate it to the library, providing they agree to catalogue it.

Please say if you need the figleaf .

We might consider running another figleaf print run...
post #2 of 43
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Please say if you need the figleaf
I may need another...the first one came in quite handy.
post #3 of 43
I don't get the whole figleaf thing...mine cover just had a dot on it.:
post #4 of 43
OK, yeah. I don't want to loan out my only copy. I will need it here. I would like to buy a copy of the index...if that is possible. OK...I will do some spade work...LOL...
post #5 of 43
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We never kept the index. the company did a quick trial one on their super duper programme to give us an estimate of pages, and we flagged it, so they didn't keep it.

Figleaf... well there is no search function, otherwise I would have put in figleaf and found the thread for you. When we were looking at marketting it commercially in USA, we were told by several marketters, that it wouldn't be considered appropriate in USA, because the title was obscene and offensive.

When my husband and I had finished laughing, we got annoyed, so had a figleaf made so that if any of you girls thought people coming to your house might be offended, you could stick it on it.

It looked like this:

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f7...on/figleaf.jpg

But we only did a short run, because we didn't think that more than 200 Americans would EVER want this book. When it became obvious we had miscalculated, my husband put them randomly in books that are prepacked. We have stacks of prepacked books still and no idea which ones have stickers in :embarrased:
post #6 of 43
I got a figleaf and don't need it. First person to PM me with their earthbound address will get it.

Deborah
post #7 of 43
I'm willing to do the spade work.

Do you mean with people we already know? Or the celebrities we talked about trying to get it to? I don't know any celebrities personally, but I would certainly try to write to them and see if they might be willing to read it.

In my ideal world, everyone I know would read this book. :
post #8 of 43
More fig leaves! More fig leaves!
post #9 of 43
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Originally Posted by mamaverdi
More fig leaves! More fig leaves!
... I don't know!!! You Americans.... :

Chasmyn, I mean people who matter in your state. Some of you have a hard road to hoe, and in the other thread some of you suggested people who if they read this book, might ask some hard questions for a change.

Already three people here have spoken to their doctors who are interested, so three have gone this week, to paediatricians.

Bestbirth thought Jon Stewart... but whoever you chose, I think first you need to find out if the people are prepared to read it.. chase them up on it.. If you think you can do this, then I'll send you another one as a loan copy, that you commit to keeping a tail on it, until you either feel it should go into a library, or it just keeps going around. But its up to you to keep it moving.

That way, you don't have to worry about the possibility of losing yours.

It's just an idea stemming from the discussion about Bill Gates and Oprah Winfrey. Neither of those fit the criteria. I mean, Bill would never touch it, and I suspect Oprah's schedule is such that why should she bother over such an insignificant issue in her scheme of things?

But there might be people you know who ARE interested. But who might not read it unless YOU approach them first.

KWIM?
post #10 of 43
Yeah, forget Oprah. She won't touch anything controversial. Many parents sent her the EOH book and emailed her about discussing it on her show. Nothing. It's too "negative" a subject.
post #11 of 43
Thread Starter 
Well, that's the nail in that coffin. If she wouldn't discuss a key issue in America by an American, why would she consider the overall issues from an ant under a long white cloud, suspended under the world?
post #12 of 43
MT I live in a college town witch is full of people who vaccinate becasue their religion tells them too. I haven't been able to buy one(college student and money, is that an oxymoron?) Any ways I'm teaching a Mommy Boot Camp for new moms and would love to have a copy of our book to loan out.
post #13 of 43
Thread Starter 
Funny sort of God they worship then. Who would want to trust a God who couldn't do much but sit back and let man do what he can't?
post #14 of 43

legislators

bumping this thread...

What about moms sending a copy to their Senator or Congressional Rep. or their legislators at the State level?

This would be especially useful when one's Senator/Rep. has been a sponsor or a co-sponsor on vaccine-related bills (the ones who support informed consent, that is). http://thomas.loc.gov contains a wealth of information about who has said what on the floor. Rep. Dan Burton (who knew Elizabeth Burt, a cofounder of SafeMinds) might be a good starting point (anybody here from his district?). Wasn't there some Congressional push for a study comparing autism in vax'd and unvax'd (read: Amish) children? The Congressional PTB behind that effort could also be offered the chance to borrow this book.

Jon Stewart would be a good choice as a media figure, but Jay Leno and David Letterman are both fathers and might have some interest as well.
post #15 of 43
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Again, I think we have to get over the issue that the book is written by nobodys from nowhere.

In your country, where branding is everything, that itself is the major hurdle IMO.
post #16 of 43
MT

I haven't received or read the book yet however I wonder if there is some credible research being done in say? immunology that can be referenced to your book and you get attention that way.
post #17 of 43
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Originally Posted by Momtezuma Tuatara
Again, I think we have to get over the issue that the book is written by nobodys from nowhere.

In your country, where branding is everything, that itself is the major hurdle IMO.
I haven't sent the moolah for my copy yet (ack!) but I was wondering if it was something that would work in e-book form? I would be totally willing to help market that. My dh's best friend is one of the top internet marketers in the world right now. That would completely cut production costs.
post #18 of 43
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First I have to shift another 4,000 copies.

Secondly, no-one I know wants to curl up in bed with a computer, or read printed out pages which fly all over the place.
post #19 of 43
Okay okay: just trying to help get it to more people and had a thought (actually the e-book biz is big biz)
post #20 of 43
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No it wasn't a : from me. I can't think anything until I have my house back . Why would anyone want to sit in a park and read an e-book?
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