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post #1 of 60
Thread Starter 
Why do some say it is a mothers right to have an elective section? Then they begin to compare it to say that well if you dont think its safe the same can be said about homebirth ARGHHHHHHHHHHH!

Michele
post #2 of 60
I dunno. Personally I think mothers should be able to birth however they want, be it elective c-section, hospital, home, or swinging from a trapeeze. Of course I feel some options are FAR better than others...but noone should tell anyone how they MUST birth.
post #3 of 60
Thread Starter 
It concerns me to think that more choose csect for the reason of avoiding pain. They are choosing a major surgery over a normal physiological response.


insurance rates are rising and by the time my DS1 is older i wouldnt be surprised if more then half were c sects and vaginal birth was the minority

SO many babies can have sensory issues etc from not going through the normal birth process ( squeezed through birth canal etc)
michele
post #4 of 60
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Originally Posted by ArlyShellandKai
It concerns me to think that more choose csect for the reason of avoiding pain. They are choosing a major surgery over a normal physiological response.


insurance rates are rising and by the time my DS1 is older i wouldnt be surprised if more then half were c sects and vaginal birth was the minority

SO many babies can have sensory issues etc from not going through the normal birth process ( squeezed through birth canal etc)
michele
Michelle,

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post #5 of 60
yeah but people are less enthusiastic about a womans right to home-birth or uc.
post #6 of 60
I think it's a response to the way "typical" hospital births go- the mother is totally disempowered and usually ends up with perineal trauma from routine episiotomy. We all hear the horror stories from our mothers and friends our whole lives. When I found out I was pg all I knew was that I didn't want to be strapped to a bed flat on my back, spread eagle for all to see with some Dr. cutting my vagina. I considered C-sect. but thankfully I found homebirth instead!
post #7 of 60
Thread Starter 
It just doesnt make sense and maybe it is pure ignorance on my part however ( and i am not totally talking about true medical conditions, true emergencies.. Im talking to posh to push and so on)

How is it that its ok and a Dr may call it a womans right to choose to have a csect/induced because of scheduling, avoiding pain etc however if a dr decides He would rather do a c sect for one reason or another.. ( let see i have heard of someones dr going on vacation and was going to induce mother so the dr could deliver and if it wasnt in time then csect)

then why is it so wrong when a mother chooses to go for a second opinion, knows the statistics etc and she possibly has CPS at her door... I know this is rambling however its all flowing out of my prego head


Michele
post #8 of 60
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I considered C-sect. but thankfully I found homebirth instead!
WOW lovechild talk about two opposites...


I remember when i was prego with DS#1 and i told family i was NOT having an epi my sis said Everyone has them and my mom added that she was drugged....

Michele
post #9 of 60
Think they want all women to be drugged and births to be c-secs anyway(domination), they just jealous and don't like women to have strength, not saying you don't need lots strength to have c-sec specially if its emergency, but imo most of em are done for non-medical reasons and probly make docs feel important and useful. Women who choose to have c-sec when theres no reason to have one are imo scared and just not into v-birth. Like there is something inherently distasteful about natural birth and possibly some stretch issues.
post #10 of 60

VENT: I just have to share this story with you guys

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Of course on monday, by accident I was in pre-registation office when a woman was pre-registering for her 2nd birth. Anyway, her mother and her oldest (daughter) were there. So, she had a primary c-section with her oldest daugther because her doctor said that she had a problem, mostly likely it was made up and this daughter was a repeat because of the doctor. The doctor of the hospital's Centre for Childbirth. So, of course I couldn't keep my mouth shut that because I was having trouble installing Lunix on my computer. So, I started asking her if she this her questions about is she getting a section and is it her 1st as well. Then, I said why can't you have a vbac and so on. Started to explain, but of course the BA (Business Associate) who was pre-registering said to me that you can't bring this up and the woman didn't mind or her mother, but of course with hippa, and everything else. Of course, I do understand, explain I'm not myself that day and exactly it was the whole week last week. I know the ba does care, but she can't do anything about the rules and etc. The woman seemed that she wanted aginal birth/s, but of course she follow her doctor's orders. After they left, I asked if I can do anymore to ba and so on and of course she was like no way you can do it here. One of the nurses that I'm friendly, not as much anymore, and other one as well. I did changed her mind, but still of course she followed her doctors orders no matter what. She breastfed her 2nd baby, but stopped because the baby was allergic her milk and bought up didn't you change you diet, but of course she no, and didn't know how explain she should.

Then, yesterday, I saw the woman's mother in hall by the nursery, watching her new granddaughter in one of nurseries in her bassinet, and of course the mother is bottlefeeding again. We start to talk and of course I didn't I kept my mouth shut on the c-section and etc and also I followed the hospital protorcall, spl, but at the sametime I said, if it was up to me I would let her in, but couldn't, she understood that as well.

For sorry for them and I'm hoping after the woman (her family, plus her, and their friends as well after she realizes or come to terms to how she came birth or whatever you can think of with this subject), that I talked with will change will change her mind, do research, and so on for her future pregnancies/births/parenting because if she doesn't she will be in the same position as her 1st 2 pregancies/births/parenting.
post #11 of 60
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Originally Posted by ArlyShellandKai
Why do some say it is a mothers right to have an elective section? Then they begin to compare it to say that well if you dont think its safe the same can be said about homebirth ARGHHHHHHHHHHH!

Michele
Perhaps because they RESPECT a woman's right to CHOOSE what she feels is best for HER body and HER baby, even if they don't agree with her ultimate decision?

There are risks to elective c-sections that are certainly not present in a midwife attended homebirth (assuming all goes well with the homebirth of course). However, there are also risks to homebirth that are not present for an elective c-section that cannot be ignored. The risks are different. Pretending they don't exist is not useful IMO.

A mother should have the choice to birth her child however she feels safest doing so. It appalls me that insurance companies often do not cover licensed midwives for homebirths, yet that is not a birth choice I would *ever* make for myself.

You don't have to AGREE with a choice, but if you expect others to respect your choices, it only seems fair that the same respect be shown in return.

I support any method of birthing a child where mom knows, understands, and accepts the risks inherant to that particular choice. Again, the risks are going to vary depending on which type of birth mom chooses, but there are risks REGARDLESS of whether or not she squats by herself in the back yard or heads straight to the OR table at 38 weeks.

What *I* feel comfortable with risk wise isn't going to be the same as every other woman on the planet. Why that concept seems so hard to grasp for some people is what truly mystifies me.
post #12 of 60
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Originally Posted by rmzbm
I dunno. Personally I think mothers should be able to birth however they want, be it elective c-section, hospital, home, or swinging from a trapeeze. Of course I feel some options are FAR better than others...but noone should tell anyone how they MUST birth.
post #13 of 60
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Originally Posted by LoveChild421
I think it's a response to the way "typical" hospital births go- the mother is totally disempowered and usually ends up with perineal trauma from routine episiotomy. We all hear the horror stories from our mothers and friends our whole lives. When I found out I was pg all I knew was that I didn't want to be strapped to a bed flat on my back, spread eagle for all to see with some Dr. cutting my vagina. I considered C-sect. but thankfully I found homebirth instead!
Same for me
post #14 of 60
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Originally Posted by rmzbm
I dunno. Personally I think mothers should be able to birth however they want, be it elective c-section, hospital, home, or swinging from a trapeeze. Of course I feel some options are FAR better than others...but noone should tell anyone how they MUST birth.
: Very well said.
post #15 of 60
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Originally Posted by wifeandmom
Perhaps because they RESPECT a woman's right to CHOOSE what she feels is best for HER body and HER baby, even if they don't agree with her ultimate decision?
The thing that bothers me the most about this statement is that they do not TRULY respect a woman's right to choose what she feels is best. Obviously, there are a few exceptions in the OB world (my last OB included), but overall, obstetrics is the one of the specialties whose practices and protocols are the LEAST evidence-based. Sure, they'll respect a woman's right to choose a c/section because it's convenient for them and so far there haven't been enough malpractice suits resulting from MRCS.

There are a lot of women out there who want a VBAC because it's what they feel is best for them and their babies, but cannot get an OB or hospital willing to "let" them have a VBAC, despite the fact that evidence has shown VBAC to be safer than RCS. Women are scared and bullied into c/s every day (just take a trip to the ICAN list, lurk and listen to some of the horror stories). They've been lied to and coerced into major abdominal surgery that carries more risks than vaginal birth. No, I do not believe that OBs truly respect a woman's choice. I do believe it is a woman's choice, but her physician is obligated to give her true informed consent, and that's not happening either.
post #16 of 60
Interesting topic. I have mixed feelings about it. But I also don't believe that people should have the right to tell women how they should birth. Meaning, I guess a woman should have the right to an elective c-section (completely non-medical reason for it). However, I do not believe that insurance companies should pay for it. I also don't think insurance companies should pay for RIC. I don't think insurance companies should pay for elective surgeries done for absolutely no medical reason.
post #17 of 60
Women as far back as biblical times have worked and earned the right to make choices that concern their bodies. It just seems to be a step backwards to say that a woman should not have the right to have an elective csection but believe that a woman should have the right to choose UC or homebirth. The same can be said for any reproductive choice, including abortion.

And why should anyone care how one particular women gives birth? Why do we must always assume that if a woman chooses homebirth she is naive and ignorant and then say the same for a woman who chooses an elective cesarean? It is so double standard to me. Women SAFELY delivery EVERY DAY by various methods, each poses its own unique risk, and each woman has her own unique story (and possible risks) herself. I give women enough credit to make their own decisions, own choices, and do what is best for their families -- even if its not my ideal.

I've had three cesarean births. One not by choice because it was an emergency, but it was needed as did the following two. However I did make the choice to electively choose the time, place and day. I had virtually pain free cesarean sections, that were empowering and personal. My last two "births" meant as much to me, and were as empowering to me as any woman who has had homebirthed or US, in my own right.

Just because you don't believe in the method, or the reason behind it doesn't make it wrong.

Kim, the Cesarean Goddess x3
post #18 of 60
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Originally Posted by ColoradoMama
Interesting topic. I have mixed feelings about it. But I also don't believe that people should have the right to tell women how they should birth. Meaning, I guess a woman should have the right to an elective c-section (completely non-medical reason for it). However, I do not believe that insurance companies should pay for it. I also don't think insurance companies should pay for RIC. I don't think insurance companies should pay for elective surgeries done for absolutely no medical reason.
Then insurance should not pay for any form of birthcontrol, any infertility treatment, etc. If women want to fight to have homebirth covered on insurance (and some are) then elective csections should be covered as well.
post #19 of 60
My insurance covered my HBs only because it saved them quite a bit of money (HBs were not covered, and I had to take my appeals all the way up the bureaucratic ladder ) I'm not don't sure that an elective surgery would be treated the same way. As far as insurance companies go, at least in my experience, it was ALL about the money. Not about risk, choice, safety, etc. Bottom line cash money in their pocket.
post #20 of 60
All my babies are c section births! Yep, I'm a section mom !!!I think it doesn't matter how a baby comes into the world...just as long as its a happy, healthy baby. Thats what losing a baby does to ya...not worrying about "whats right" and "whats wrong" TO ME. I can sit here all day saying "Donna shouldn't have a " " birth" But at the end of the day, when Donna is holding her baby in her arms, nothing else matters, nothing at all. My c sections are all due to a small pelvis (tried delivery my son and he got stuck and had an emergency c/s..). But no matter how my kids got here, I love them all. That, to me, is whats important. There are definately risks associated with c/s..as with being pregnant and giving birth period! you lose blood, can lose mom, baby, alot of things can happen. being informative can help you understand your risks and the big decision you have to make for yourself and your baby.:
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