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post #1 of 12
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First, here is the reason we started potty training before DS was showing much interest.

Oh, this potty training thing sucks. I am so very tired of battling with DS over this, I cannot even tell you. He deliberately holds the pee in when we are within waving distance of the toilet, then he will go pee in the kitchen the minute we turn our backs. He is unmoved by toys or external motivators, and taking him at timed intervals rarely works because he will just hold it. I have never seen a kid who can hold pee for so long. He will wake up in the morning dry and wait 45 minutes to 1 hour before he actually pees. How does he do that?

Because of the terrible rash and the diaper changing battles (referenced in the thread above) I am loathe to just put him back in diapers. The diaper changes were getting downright violent, and I really don't see how going back to diapers will be any kind of improvement.

We have been doing this for two weeks, and DH is so frustrated. He thinks my approach is all wrong and insists that we have to scold DS when he pees on the floor. Of course, I am adamantly against any kind of scolding. DH is rarely home, but when he is home, I really feel under the gun because if DS pees on the floor DH yells at him. This last Thursday night DH came home early and told me that he was going to yell at DS if he peed on the floor, so I became the potty warden and literally spent hours in the bathroom trying to get DS to go. Finally I gave up and sat down for a break, and DH and I were arguing mildly about the fact that DS needed to pee and that DH wanted me to take him again, for the 1000th time. I told him I would go in a minute. Of course in that minute DS peed on the floor, DH yelled at him, and I totally lost it. I ended up going to bed and just crying my eyes out. I have had it with both of them and this whole potty training debacle.

I talked the whole thing over with my mom and we agreed that DS will have to be in diapers or pull-ups when DH is home due to the scolding. DS only sees DH for an hour and a half each day except for Tuesdays and Thursdays, when DH comes home early. Then they are together for about 3.5 hours until I get home. Hopefully spending a few hours in diapers won't derail our whole process.

Does anyone have any suggestions about what to do about reluctant potty trainers who are also reluctant diaper wearers? I have no desire to go back to the diaper rashes and the diaper changing battles, but the whole potty training thing is about to drive me to drink. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
post #2 of 12
Ok, this is off-the-wall, but Dr. Phil (I know, I know) has featured some potty-training program designed to teach mentally disabled adults. He advocates using the methods on regular toddlers, and claims it is successful. I have one friend who followed this program, with fairly good results. I have no personal experience, though.

http://www.eztrain.biz/drphil.html

HTH
post #3 of 12
hugs mama. It really sucks that your dh wants to scold him. Have you tried comparing it to learning something else....like riding a bike? You wouldn't yell at a child for falling when learning to ride a 2-wheeler for the first time!

I don't know if you are already doing this, but my ds seems to go to the toilet better when he's naked, rather than having underwear on. Also, I've had better success in saying "we're going to go pee and then have a snack" or something like that, rather than "do you need to pee before we eat?".

I hope it gets better for you!
post #4 of 12
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Originally Posted by smeta
hugs mama. It really sucks that your dh wants to scold him. Have you tried comparing it to learning something else....like riding a bike? You wouldn't yell at a child for falling when learning to ride a 2-wheeler for the first time!

I don't know if you are already doing this, but my ds seems to go to the toilet better when he's naked, rather than having underwear on. Also, I've had better success in saying "we're going to go pee and then have a snack" or something like that, rather than "do you need to pee before we eat?".

I hope it gets better for you!
DH is just a butthead about certain things. I don't really see him often enough to make any kind of a dent in his thinking. Because he is barely home, I wish he would just defer to me, because I actually do spend hours researching parenting stuff. Sigh.

If he's naked, he just pees wherever. The whole (carpeted!) house is his own personal urinal. At least when he is wetting his underwear/clothes there is a minor motivator in that he hates having wet clothes. The clothes also contain the poop, and I would realy prefer to keep poop off the carpet if we can. So he has no more success when he is naked rather than clothed.

post #5 of 12
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Originally Posted by lisac77
Oh, this potty training thing sucks. I am so very tired of battling with DS over this, I cannot even tell you. He deliberately holds the pee in when we are within waving distance of the toilet, then he will go pee in the kitchen the minute we turn our backs. He is unmoved by toys or external motivators, and taking him at timed intervals rarely works because he will just hold it. I have never seen a kid who can hold pee for so long. He will wake up in the morning dry and wait 45 minutes to 1 hour before he actually pees. How does he do that?
So my kid is not the only one who does this? Strange thing is, sometimes when we are out, he will actually ASK to go and GO! But most of the time at home if I want him to go, he does the holding it in thing too! I have tried both underwear and pullups, and get the same results. Would your DS do better if HE had some control over changing himself? Like make him take off the diaper/underwear? Can't offer much advice, but plenty of sympathy! :
post #6 of 12
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Originally Posted by jillmamma
So my kid is not the only one who does this? Strange thing is, sometimes when we are out, he will actually ASK to go and GO! But most of the time at home if I want him to go, he does the holding it in thing too! I have tried both underwear and pullups, and get the same results. Would your DS do better if HE had some control over changing himself? Like make him take off the diaper/underwear? Can't offer much advice, but plenty of sympathy! :
I'm so sorry! I think the scolding is making it worse. Could you use diapers just sometimes? Enough to give you a break and when dh is home until he realizes that kids have accidents sometimes. Then when you guys are at home relaxing,, you can take the diaper off to let him air out and practice? I didn't go read the rash thread yet. I will check it out.
post #7 of 12
okay i have a couple of questions

how long as he been peeing all over the floor? my son peed on the floor for 2-3 weeks after we moved here like he didn't care worth a doodle. I thought i would lose my mind but I knew to give it 2-3 weeks and then he started using the potty again. He doesnt like diapers.

How is the pooping going? Since poopy changes were the big problem in the rash thread, I was wondering if he has been pooping on the potty?

How do you feel about pullups part time? Will he clean up his accidents himself? I hope your dh comes around...I'm guessing he is just frustrated as are you. I let my son wear a diaper when we went places, for sleeping, and if he just had a bad day and I couldn't handle it anymore. I don't think it hurt his progress at all.

I'm sure you tried all this but... a different potty? peeing outside? peeing on a cheerio? peeing in the bathtub? big praise for using the potty but acting like accidents are no big deal?
post #8 of 12
my only suggestion is naked time. I would keep him naked all day long maybe even outside....(less stress about misses).. and I would diaper him in the evenings. Any scolding is going to ruin any progress you make with him during the day. My dd trained this way at 2 years old. We spent a month of partial naked time, me cleaning up as much mess as I could handle and hten diapering her when I would get kind of irritated at all the mess so that I wouldnt get upset with her (just a few hours of naked time a day). When she would pee or poop on the floor I would bring her to the toilet and sit her on it, very nicely tell her pee pee and poo poo's go on the potty, clean her up and send her on her way... if she pooped on the floor i would pick it up with toilet paper and have her watch me put it in the potty and flush and say bye bye poo poo's!!. She started to get it after a month and then was naked all the time for a week, then we added clothes, and she was fully trained a month later.

oh also, lots of water to drink. the more times he has to go, the more practice he gets, the quicker he will get it. but be ready for lots of misses for a while. my friend has a pee bush outside for her training 2 year old....
post #9 of 12
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The only time he's been scolded was that one time. Then we took a break the next day my mom came over and watched him for a few hours, DH was at work and even she said she was frustrated by the end of the day! He's just really resistant to the whole process.

He's been peeing on the floor for a few months now. I started letting him go diaperless at home then diapering him when we went out. Since we go out a lot, what generally happened is that he would just hold the pee until we went out, then he would pee in the diaper. Or he would pee on the floor.

He will only poop if there is something covering his bum, like a diaper or underpants. So we're not having any luck with the poop issue either. At least he tells us now when he's gone... that's an improvement in the whole diapers v. underwear scenario. The rash is completely gone since we switched to underwear.

He cleans up all his accidents and removes his own wet clothing. I handle the poopy underwear because of the extreme mess factor. He is quite happy with this scenario.

I think I will offer up my services to the local high school as an advertisment for birth control. That way I can get the teenagers to come over with their energy and vitality and they can be frustrated for a few hours. It's a win-win!
post #10 of 12
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Originally Posted by lisac77
The rash is completely gone since we switched to underwear.
yay! that is awesome about the rash. also, i'm glad he helps you clean it up. that is better than the tackling forceful diaper changes your were describing.

good luck. i know it is frustrating!
post #11 of 12
We never felt like we did the 'potty training' thing. We always have an open door policy when going to the bathroom ( well not really but im sure you kwim).

Since DS was 9months we bought him his own potty since he was always in there when i was going to the bathroom. He would then sit on it clothed and play with a toy then when he was naked ( lots of naked time which he loved) if i saw he was about to poop i just placed him on it. He had a few pee pee accidently when he was little on the floor ( we have terrazzo which is great) i would just clean it up and sometimes say 'thats ok' or something short especially since he was so little or 'pee pee goes in the toilet' thats as much as we ever would say. He always kept his awareness and at probably 9 months would take off his CD when he had to poop and would try to get to the bathroom on time, go to the room with the potty ( it traveled around the house) or i would help him get there. We never forced, scolded, did big rewards etc..We were laid back about it and made it as something natural that he is bound to learn to do.

When we were out and about or leaving then i would say "lets make pee pee before we leave or what do we do before naptime/bedtime and he says "PEEPEE and goes. If he really says he doesnt then i leave it as that.
We still at 2/5 yrsold carry a potty in the back of our car though sometimes if we need to we will just stop on the side of the road or use a public restroom and i hold him up so his penis can aim in the toilet.

At 17 months DS was out of diapers night and day.
and even those times he just wanted to get out of the car and would say he had to pee pee we would stop. Of course now that he is older we know if he is saying he has to really go or not

michele
post #12 of 12
I couldn't do the "naked time" thing. I couldn't stand constantly cleaning up pee and having the whole house stink. My couch smelled like a toilet.: He even peed into his toy box a few times, and I had to clean every single dang toy.
He was also very difficult having his diaper changed.

We had the best luck with pullups, and a few selected moments of naked time a day. Ds felt uncomfortable enough when the pullups were wet that he didn't want to keep them on, and he learned quickly to change them himself. I think it helped him take responsiblilty for his own bodily functions, even if he wasn't using the potty, kwim? Without you worrying about accidents. Then when they start using the potty they can also pull them up and down themselves.

The choice given was to use the potty/toilet, or use the pullup.
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