what is the problem with vax? - Page 2

[spero]

The first problem with vax is that vax-induced "immunity" is never as effective as natural immunity.

The other problems stem from there - vax ingredients and their side effects, disease mutations, etc. etc. Not to mention the flat-out denial of & underreporting of adverse reactions/deaths (it boggles my mind to think how many infant deaths labelled SIDS were actually vax reactions ) and the outright lies, misinformation, and scaremongering passed by many medical professionals.

And of course there is the almighty dollar. Vaccines are a huge $$$ industry. Hands in pockets everywhere - politicians, doctors, researchers, bazillionaires. The vaccine industry is a greedy one.

[chrissyfwb]

holy crap I didnt even know the half of it! I was so in the dark about everything.. thank you guys so much I am still going to do research, but the hard thing is my husband thinks that everything on the internet is all lies or something and I am sure that when I ask her ped. he will say that it is "for the best" and then he is going to think I am a crazy woman and just over reacting, and possibly placing our child in harms way..

so I am going to try to find some real doctors that arent pro vaccinations to talk to my husband and see what I can find out from them..

oh and the ingredient list that you gave the link for made me sick! I cant believe that I just put that in my little 2 month baby and then again at 4 months.

I was supposed to get her shots today at 7 am and I never went!

[spero]

Originally Posted by chrissyfwb

so I am going to try to find some real doctors that arent pro vaccinations to talk to my husband and see what I can find out from them..

Good luck finding any ...

If I'm not mistaken, even the almighty CDC admits that there's more chance of a vax reaction, than of actually catching a disease. And don't they regularly contradict themselves, on their own website?

[cr2005]

This thread has been so informative. I have bookmarked several of the links given and plan on doing a lot of research on them. I have a 4 year old and a 10 month old. I think for now I will tell my pediatrician that I am going to delay anymore vax's until I have done more research. I really just started looking into the possibility of not vaxing and giving my boys the mmr shots was my original concern. Now I am not sure about any of the shots.

[forthebest]

you've come to a good place Chrissyfwb, many people on here are very,very knowledgeable about vaxes. It stuns me sometimes how parents think they have to vax but not surprising really cos of the aggressive campaigns to do so. I love this site and hardly been on anything else since discovering it,had been to docs with ds who needed stitches and I was very nearly cajoled into tetanus.This made me realise that I know very little about it all though my family are not vaxed at all. Now I am learning! imo a lot of the pro-vax agenda is guilt-tripping parents, none of us want our kids health compromised imo vaccination does just this, good luck.

[EVC]

so I am going to try to find some real doctors that arent pro vaccinations to talk to my husband and see what I can find out from them..

If you need a doc's opinion to legitimize it to your husband, pick up a copy of "How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of Your Doctor" by Dr. Robert Mendelsohn--there's decent vax chapter in there. By a doctor

[aira]

Here's a fun thread:

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=430925

[CrunchyKat]

Originally Posted by Plummeting

The change was that they removed thimerosal from some vaccines, or decreased the amount of thimerosal in other vaccines. Many of the childhood vaccinations contain aluminum, which is a neurotoxin that has been linked to alzheimers and other diseases. Many of them contain formaldehyde, which is carcinogenic.

The live virus vaccines (MMR, Varivax and the new RotaTeq) contain animal viruses, which are passed onto your child. No one knows exactly what some of these viruses do once inside the human body. Some of them cause cancer in the animals which they naturally infect. In the 60's millions of people in the world were given polio vaccines that contained a monkey virus called SV40. For decades they claimed SV40 was harmless in human beings. They now know for a fact that SV40 causes cancer in humans. The ony reason SV40 is found in human beings is because those millions of people got it from the polio vaccine. Unfortunately, they've passed it on through blood transfusions and God knows how else, because it's being found in children too young to have received the contaminated vaccine. Given that fact, do you really want to inject animal viruses into your precious baby, not knowing what they might do once inside? Some people feel that it's worth the risk, and while I'm glad they have the right to make that choice, I disagree with them. It isn't worth the risk to me.

This is great information! Where can I get more info about the MMR vax and the animal viruses it has? I've never read about this before, but EEK how scary. It just makes me more confiedent in my decision NOT to vax.

[Plummeting]

Originally Posted by CrunchyKat

This is great information! Where can I get more info about the MMR vax and the animal viruses it has? I've never read about this before, but EEK how scary. It just makes me more confiedent in my decision NOT to vax.

This doesn't specifically discuss any particular vaccine, but here is some info:

http://www.biosafety.be/CU/animalcel.../mainpage.html

and here is some more:

http://www.homestead.com/vonhapsburg...amination.html

I used to have a link to transcripts of a CDC or FDA meeting that discusses the problem in depth, but a few months ago I had to restore my computer and had never bothered to have a hard copy of anything, so I haven't found it again yet. I KNOW MT and a couple others here know what I'm talking about, so I'll ask them if they have it. The meeting notes are a lot more informative and they're also better because they're directly from the gov't, therefore can't be classified as "anti-vaccine propaganda" or whatever.