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post #41 of 68
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I'm just going to play devil's advocate here, and say that not all kids that have this issue grow up to be poor speakers or have problems.
This is true, some people have no issues. My ds had the hardest time nursing and I was more willing to have his frenulum clipped than I was to switch him to a bottle. Those six months with bleeding nipples were absolute misery.
post #42 of 68
ds1 has it done at about 9 mos old. nursing was painful from day one, but when he got his 2 bottom teeth at 8.5 mos, and he was rubbing them on me while nursing, i went to an old school german naturo/MD my LC recommended. it took 2 seconds, he hardly cried, and there were just a few drops of blood. (he was vax before i knew better and he cried more from that. also, ds2 was circ b4 i knew better...i was there for it...there is NO comparison between circ and the tongue). unfortunately for me, i nursed ds1 in pain until he self weaned at 24 mons. oh, and his tongue didnt come out nearly as far as the babe in the pic.
post #43 of 68
I had my tongue clipped at age 14 for orthodontic reasons. It was no big deal at all, honestly. FWIW, I'd had a lisp all my life and really struggled to pronounce "s" sounds clearly. After the clip it was so much easier.
post #44 of 68
Crap...went to see the ENT today with ds (11.5 mos) and they want to put him under anesthesia to clip since he is such a monkey and it is deeper into his mouth than average. I did like the doctor for once, at least.

Comments, please.

We still are going to see the naturopath next week to see what she says and see if she can get into his mouth. Maybe we could hang out there and do it when he's sleeping or something. Seems SO freaking traumatic at this age no matter what! I also have an appointment with a ped dentist to see what he thinks. I do believe that he is having other effects, not just the breastfeeding casualty.

CRRAAAAAAAPPPPPP!!!!! WHY OH WHY DID NO ONE LISTEN TO ME WHEN HE WAS A NEWBORN??????????????

Thanks, mamas. Sorry for the vent.

--Adrienne
post #45 of 68
Waiting till he's asleep is an excellent idea, IMO. THe anesthesia is the only thing that's a big risk in this procedure. No anesthesia, very small risk.
post #46 of 68
Thanks for the link Adrienne (from our baby birth group).

Wendy - maybe this is why S has green poo? I saw the heart shaped tongue the other day! I'm going to have to investigate more. DH has it too, though.
post #47 of 68
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Originally Posted by Glamourfaust
Thanks for the link Adrienne (from our baby birth group).

Wendy - maybe this is why S has green poo? I saw the heart shaped tongue the other day! I'm going to have to investigate more. DH has it too, though.
Before Jake got his clipped, his poo was very green. I have no idea why tongue-tie would cause MORE oversupply problems, but that's what seemed to happen w/ Jake. He couldn't latch right, so my breasts basically shot the milk for him. Survival mechanism, I guess. lol

Have you had a lot of pain, etc? If not, he may not need clipped. Damien and Liam both had heart shaped tongues. Damien's looks normal now and Liam's is still heart shaped, but he can stick it past his lips, so I guess it's ok.
post #48 of 68
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Originally Posted by wendy1221
I know someone who clipped her own frenulum as an adult b/c she couldn't roll her R's adn founf out she was tongue-tied.
I can't roll my R's ... I've tried and tried but I just can't do it. There's no way I'm tongue tied though - I can touch my nose with my tongue.

Am I the only one on earth who can't roll my R's? *everyone* I know IRL seems to be able to do it!!
post #49 of 68
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Originally Posted by wendy1221
Before Jake got his clipped, his poo was very green. I have no idea why tongue-tie would cause MORE oversupply problems, but that's what seemed to happen w/ Jake. He couldn't latch right, so my breasts basically shot the milk for him. Survival mechanism, I guess. lol

Have you had a lot of pain, etc? If not, he may not need clipped. Damien and Liam both had heart shaped tongues. Damien's looks normal now and Liam's is still heart shaped, but he can stick it past his lips, so I guess it's ok.
Now that S has 6 teeth, he's become quite the little nibbler while nursing - maybe having latch problems? I only get mildly sore nipples when he has marathon sessions - no pain even when he was a tiny larva. Linnaea, though, owwwww!

I can't wait to show you S's tongue. It may be awhile until we get to another playgroup as we are having guests for nine crazy days or something.
post #50 of 68
I have a tongue tie, not as severe as my sister's is though. Neither of us had ours clipped at birth. Neither had problems nursing (so says my mom) and we both speak just fine.

I am so thankful that my daughter doesn't have the tie. I would have fought tooth and nail to get her clipped. I'm trying to get my own clipped. I don't have problems with speach, and obviously the nursing thing is no longer an issue, I can even roll Rs just fine. However, there are so many other things I can't do, like eating an ice cream cone. It actually causes me pain almost every day, and I have scar tissue built up where it used to get caught between my front teeth. And I can barely get dental floss between those teeth.
post #51 of 68
Oh, they do still do it when it is necessary. My dd just had her tongue clipped in May (while having a tonsilectomy for sleep apnea, so she was asleep). She had really bad tongue tie and we could only understand every 4th word she said (she was 3.5 at that time). She had a speech evaluation and the doc said she felt she really needed it done. It has helped immensly.
However, we did have breastfeeding problems. I had sore, bleeding and blistered nipples for 2 months.
One way to see how tongue tied he is is to ask him to stick his tongue out. If it barely goes past his lips and has a heart shape to it, then it is pretty bad. If he can stick it out pretty far though (even if it gets heart shaped) I wouldnt worry about it. You could still mention it to the speech therapist though.
post #52 of 68
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Originally Posted by A&A
I'm going to ask the speech therapist about it, thanks. The ped. dentist said that it's a hard area to numb in a 4 yo.
I don't know what the heck happened but I had a good post that disappeared as I was typing.

Anyway, what I was trying to say was that I would never cut on myself without proper anesthesia or pain relief so why would I on my child? Even if it was my infant, I still wouldn't want that area cut without some kind of pain relief. To those who think it doesn't hurt, remember, in the past it was said circumcision didn't hurt either. We don't really know if it hurts or not, IMO, it is assumed it doesn't.

There is no reason I could think of that topical Lidocaine gel or spray could not be used in this area. The gel is what dentists apply to the area of injection prior using a cotton applicator swab. Think really strong Ora-jel... I know when my dentist uses it my lip will actually start to get numb. In addition, there is a topical Lidocaine spray that is used for endoscopic procedures to decrease the gag response. I don't see why that would be "hard to numb" and I would think pain relief would be the specialty of a Pediatric Dentist.

I would be looking for the opinion of another pediatric dentist or an oral surgeon...
post #53 of 68
Good points. The area is supposed to be innervated and without alot of blood supply (is this what they say about foreskin, too?) but when I pinch under my tongue, it does hurt.

Many curses and swears...this is a very tough call.
post #54 of 68
Anyone I've ever known whose baby's tongue needed clipped stayed with the baby the whole procedure and said the babies didn't fuss, and nursed directly afterwards, never any sign of shock, nothing. Not even a fuss. Speech path confirmed this as well as ENT and Ped Dentist and even non-doc-going friends.

mv
post #55 of 68
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Originally Posted by paminmi
Anyway, what I was trying to say was that I would never cut on myself without proper anesthesia or pain relief so why would I on my child? Even if it was my infant, I still wouldn't want that area cut without some kind of pain relief. To those who think it doesn't hurt, remember, in the past it was said circumcision didn't hurt either. We don't really know if it hurts or not, IMO, it is assumed it doesn't.
Um, we know it doesn't hurt badly b/c there are adults and older children who have had it done and it apparently hurts much much less than even getting your ears pierced (no afterpain like w/ that either.)

And maybe you're referring to my post where I said it's beeter not to do it w/ anesthesia. I meant GENERAL ANESTHESIA where you're knocked out. THat's too risky for a baby if you can avoid it, IMO.

An injection of lidocaine is probably even overdoing it, IMO. You can't nurse very well afterwards if your tongue is numb. A cotton swab or spray stuff would be best, imo.
post #56 of 68
My brother had his clipped to make him a better lover.

It's not big deal. It's not as if his tounge is part of his genitals. Most people don't even know the frenulum is there.
post #57 of 68
Ok, I do agree that general is dangerous, and we did end up having her put under for something else, but the first ENT we went to wanted to do it in the office and I refused and took her to Seattle Children's hospital instead. They agreed that at that age, doing it in an office setting is not a good idea. It would have totally freaked out my normally doc loving child. I mean, they were going to numb her, but imagine being a 3 year old and having something come at your mouth with a scalpel or a pair of scissors. I didnt really want her to become scared of the doctor over this (this is a child who LIKES getting shots too!), so I found a doc that was willing to put her under for it. Luckily we found out she was going to need the tonsilectomy before hand and we killed to birds with one stone, so to speak.
post #58 of 68
Oh, and my dd was complaining that her tongue hurt for a few days after (but I think her throat was hurting a lot worse, poor thing-I had my tonsils out at 16, so I know what she was going through!)
post #59 of 68
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Originally Posted by wendy1221
Um, we know it doesn't hurt badly b/c there are adults and older children who have had it done and it apparently hurts much much less than even getting your ears pierced (no afterpain like w/ that either.)

And maybe you're referring to my post where I said it's beeter not to do it w/ anesthesia. I meant GENERAL ANESTHESIA where you're knocked out. THat's too risky for a baby if you can avoid it, IMO.

An injection of lidocaine is probably even overdoing it, IMO. You can't nurse very well afterwards if your tongue is numb. A cotton swab or spray stuff would be best, imo.
No Wendy, I wan't referring to you. I was referring to the idea that it could be done with NO anesthesia whatsoever. Regardless of those who say it CAN be done that way, I personally would still not allow it to be done to my child in that way. Not when there are non-invasive means to provide some pain relief.

ITA to NO general anesthsia for a "clip". Definitely overkill IMO.
post #60 of 68
I'm terified by not getting lidocane at the dentist. I had teeth pulled when I was 6, with lidocane which I doubt was working at all, because my mouth wouldn't have enough room otherwise. Well, turns out, my mouth had too much room. I swear that dentist was pulling it out of his a$$. I hate him still, like some evil money gobbler who stole my teeth.

Then, five years ago, I had my wisdom teeth pulled. Going under is not something I desire, so lidocane once more. My teeth were particurally hard to pull, and it took much longer than the dentist expected. He had to chisel two of my teeth out. And guess what, the lidocane wasn't working. :

I hate dentists. :

Absolutely get some kind of numing medication. Perhaps lidocane would be too much, a numbing cream should do.
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