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post #141 of 294
Interesting article. Thank you for posting Tracy.
post #142 of 294
Very interesting article and yes, a little freaky. Curious question - trying to blend astrology with LoA. From the article and other things I've read here, it sounds like these hard times are pretty inevitable. But I also feel reading that article that individually, we all have a choice to make - how hard are we going to make it on ourselves. So, how does one begin to ensure that the doom and gloom won't be your personal reality, even if it's the overall reality of our world/country? I'm imagining things like not being able to access things like real food, nutritional supplements ... things that big business/government are threatening to put uber control over, making it very hard for common folk to access. Is there where something like moving to the country and raising one's own food comes into play? But then again, I could see the advantage of staying close to community/family/people you are close with, which in our case means not moving to the country to be more self-sufficient. So, how can one take the seemingly inevitable doom and gloom of the country and instead manifest abundance/prosperity in one's personal life?
post #143 of 294
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Very interesting article and yes, a little freaky. Curious question - trying to blend astrology with LoA. From the article and other things I've read here, it sounds like these hard times are pretty inevitable.
I think we don't really need astrology to tell us things are going to change, soon and a lot. If you really look at what's going on, at the System, at the injustices, at the crazy wastefulness, etc.etc. But astrology points out the timing, in case we had any doubt that it will be soon.
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But I also feel reading that article that individually, we all have a choice to make - how hard are we going to make it on ourselves. So, how does one begin to ensure that the doom and gloom won't be your personal reality, even if it's the overall reality of our world/country?
That's what LoA is all about, right? I think the better we get at it, the better we'll be at rolling with whatever comes along. And the more of us that do it, the better all around things can be.
Pluto says big deep total change is necessary; it doesn't say we have to be miserable while it happens. Change is the necessity, not suffering. But I also know from experience (I'm a Sag and Pluto went over my sun a few years back) that many changes are difficult, and loss requires mourning, and can feel endless when you're in the middle of it. But through suffering we can learn compassion, deepen our hearts, know how precious every day, every moment is... Can we learn all that without suffering? maybe. I don't know.

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I'm imagining things like not being able to access things like real food, nutritional supplements ... things that big business/government are threatening to put uber control over, making it very hard for common folk to access. Is there where something like moving to the country and raising one's own food comes into play? But then again, I could see the advantage of staying close to community/family/people you are close with, which in our case means not moving to the country to be more self-sufficient. So, how can one take the seemingly inevitable doom and gloom of the country and instead manifest abundance/prosperity in one's personal life?
This is a back and forth I do, also. I want to live close to the land, but not be isolated. I think about intentional communities and such, but then I look at our current financial realities, and needing to be near where dh works... I've been having a hard time even visualizing what I want. An eco-village or something....

so this is also a bump hoping for more discussion...
post #144 of 294
What in the world is going on?
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(I'm a Sag and Pluto went over my sun a few years back)
I'm a Sag, too, and I am just getting into the whole planets in the sign part of astrology. Can you be more specific as to the month/year when Pluto went over our sun?
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I'm a Sag, too, and I am just getting into the whole planets in the sign part of astrology. Can you be more specific as to the month/year when Pluto went over our sun?
It depends on your birthday. each sign is divided into 30 degrees and the Sun moves about a degree a day. Pluto entered Sag in 1995 and will continue till a year from now. It does little back and forths (retrogrades) through out the sign, so it would affect you usually for a year or two. So if your birthday is in late November, it would've been in the 90's... if your birthday is closer to the Winter Solstice, it'd be more recent, or now.

Didn't mean to sound all doom and gloom.
Azadeh, you can read the earlier parts of the thread for an idea.
post #147 of 294
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It depends on your birthday. each sign is divided into 30 degrees and the Sun moves about a degree a day. Pluto entered Sag in 1995 and will continue till a year from now. It does little back and forths (retrogrades) through out the sign, so it would affect you usually for a year or two. So if your birthday is in late November, it would've been in the 90's... if your birthday is closer to the Winter Solstice, it'd be more recent, or now.

Sorry this is turning into Astrology 101, but I'm really trying to wrap my head around this. I just got one of the Parkers' books today, and I am even more confused than I was yesterday.

My birthday is the 23rd, so Pluto's big changes would have happened in the mid-late '90s for me.

What I don't understand is that since Pluto is still in Sag, why would it only affect me for those couple years? Would Pluto not have a strong influence over the Sags the whole time it was dominating the sign?
post #148 of 294
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Sorry this is turning into Astrology 101, but I'm really trying to wrap my head around this. I just got one of the Parkers' books today, and I am even more confused than I was yesterday.

My birthday is the 23rd, so Pluto's big changes would have happened in the mid-late '90s for me.

What I don't understand is that since Pluto is still in Sag, why would it only affect me for those couple years? Would Pluto not have a strong influence over the Sags the whole time it was dominating the sign?
OK, so it's Astrology 101, that's fine. I'm not familiar with the Parkers... what's the book called? There are a lot of different approaches to astrology.

You're asking good questions. Most western astrologers use what's called an orb, or a range (usually a couple degrees) on either side of a planet or point (in this case, your Sun) and when another planet transits (moves through) that space, that's when we are likely to see the results. So for you, personally '95 through '96 would've been the most intense time. In India they use a different system of astrology, and they count the transits by the whole sign.
But in the world we've been seeing the themes for the whole time Pluto is in Sag. Pluto is associated with extremes and Sag with religion, for example. And Sagittarius is associated with travel and everything foreign, and there have been huge movements of refugees and issues of immigration. On the good side there have also been developments of international agreements and cooperation. I also associate Pluto with mass movements of people and the huge worldwide peace marches just before the US invaded Iraq were unprecedented. Pluto is power and that was being called "people power".
post #149 of 294
Can anyone comment on what Pluto in Capricorn might mean for those with sun in Capricorn? I've tried searching for more on this and haven't had much luck. TIA!
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Can anyone comment on what Pluto in Capricorn might mean for those with sun in Capricorn? I've tried searching for more on this and haven't had much luck. TIA!
the ones who are going to feel pluto's influence first are the caps who are born 12/21 & 12/22 and a bit of 12/23.

right now the sag's who are in the midst of their transitions are (and this is a guess---zannalyn please don't make me find my ephemeris..it is high up on a shelf) but I'm guessing it is probably the 12/18 12/19 and 12/20's.. right?

when I had pluto on my sun, I got out of the way and said, "Okay, Pluto, I trust you and God know what you are doing to transform my life so that it is stronger and better and grander...even if at first I am scared, I'll do it."

and so.. I did. I met my husband to be, left a very successful lucrative, (emotionally dead end) career... got married at age 41 and had a baby at 43. If I had put up any blocks to that very powerful energy...(fear) none of the above would have happened.

Pluto demands transformation.
post #151 of 294
Thank you, Tracy! Do you have any recommendations for sites that can help you find out exactly when Pluto is hitting you? My birthday is Jan 14, and I understand Pluto is going to be in Cap for 26 years. So if I am assuming correctly, I'm thinking it will get to me around 2026-27 and perhaps impact me more strongly for 2-2.5 years. Am I even remotely on track with these assumptions?

(This reminds me of those math word problems back in school... If you're driving from California at 60 miles/hour... )
post #152 of 294
Do you all know what one might have to do in order to find out when they were born if it's unknown? Thanks for any help.
post #153 of 294
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I'm not familiar with the Parkers... what's the book called? There are a lot of different approaches to astrology.
The book is called _Astrology and You: The Complete Guide to Understanding Your Birth Chart_ by Julia and Derek Parker. There was a reference to it on another MDC thread, so I figured I'd check it out.

Thanks for the info! It's all starting to fall into place for me now!
post #154 of 294
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i love the Parker's book. I recommend it all the time to anyone wanting to start learning astrology.
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i love the Parker's book. I recommend it all the time to anyone wanting to start learning astrology.
Now that I think about it, it was you that recommended it on The Secret thread!
post #156 of 294
Did anyone else get the jitters from todays' massive stock sell off?
post #157 of 294
subbing, i find all of this very interesting
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Did anyone else get the jitters from todays' massive stock sell off?
for a moment, GoodCents.. I did..but actually it was not the downward correction (as they call it) that gave me pause.. what kind of made me think twice was what started it. The chinese market was jittery and it rippled over here.... that was a bit of moment for me.
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The chinese market was jittery and it rippled over here.... that was a bit of moment for me.
ditto - i do not think the average person realized how much the chinese are involved in our economy. they own most of our mortgage debt - huge considering the current market!
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ditto - i do not think the average person realized how much the chinese are involved in our economy. they own most of our mortgage debt - huge considering the current market!


yep. I know. It kind of compromises us when we want to deal with North Korea. sigh.
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