Astrology Changes 2008-2012 - Page 2

[`guest`]

Yeah, I agree with Kerry. I think assets are more in danger, tho I guess it wouldnt matter either way.

[goodcents]

Kerry that is an interesting point. I read this book a while back called the coming crash of the real estate market, and it basically said something to that effect. like you want to hold on to as much cash as you can, because if you have cash you are in a stronger negotiating position in the event that you default on your mortgage.

[Tracy]

The Debt business....

Yeah, I know there is something to the thought of 'what the heck, why not just line up the debt and not worry about it.."

I guess that can be true... my own feeling is that I think the process of 2008 until 2012 is a 4 year window.. and the build during it could mean a lot of problems for people with debt.. meaning it could be uglier before it got better ...just knowing capricorn energy as well as I do.. I would just say I think it is wisest to have have as little debt as possible when the sh**t starts to hit the fan.. because even though I believe we will feel pluto's new transit almost immediately... the unraveling is a process...and I think there will be a way to screw over those with debt.. even though I think the problem really originates with the predatory nature of some of these lenders more than those with credit card debt.

Just to reiterate... my own understanding before Pluto went into Sag and one I mentioned to friends was.. "well, if we don't find a god during pluto's transit in Sag and if we don't learn religious toleration during pluto's transit in sag"..well, it is going to be a bumpy road." And as you can see were still working it out. sigh. Imagine if the whole world had on their 'toleration' hat ... well, now as we are on the outter edges of Pluto's move from sag to cap.. I say.. well, if we can't learn how to live like a cap.. who can make 1 dollar feel like 10...and can be very prudent.. well, I just think the bumps are there....

btw, when I am talking about debt, I'm not so much talking about mortgages as more unsecure debt. But if the quality of life is suffering because the mortgage is nosebleed high..that probably is something that might need to be adjusted before 2008. again, just my thoughts from my little corner. But I am so enjoying the brainstorming we are all doing here...

[Tracy]

Zannalyn, Neptune is totally in the mix. I will try and come back and add to it.... Obviously at some point Neptune will transit into its home sign Pisces..which is like Oil on oil, right?

[DebraBaker]

I guess the sense I'm getting is to get out of CC debt and start living simply.

Stuff that is nourishing at any time.

But if you, say, had an extra $20,000 to spend, it may be a better time to invest in a solar system than a car of other goodies. I'm really starting to want solar cells on my roof so I can go on even if something should happen to the electric grid.

And I didn't see Tracy saying the entire system would collapse, I'm sure once the dust settles, the Chinese will still be standing looking for their payments.

[Tracy]

Originally Posted by DebraBaker

I guess the sense I'm getting is to get out of CC debt and start living simply.

Stuff that is nourishing at any time.

But if you, say, had an extra $20,000 to spend, it may be a better time to invest in a solar system than a car of other goodies. I'm really starting to want solar cells on my roof so I can go on even if something should happen to the electric grid.

And I didn't see Tracy saying the entire system would collapse, I'm sure once the dust settles, the Chinese will still be standing looking for their payments.

oh, debra your post made me laugh. and yes, I want to reiterate, I absolutely believe we will all make it through this time...and solar panels make a lot of sense to me.

[DebraBaker]

Again, I apologize for treating this thread like a personal chat with Tracy (bless her,) but student debt =good debt, still, right?

It took a lot for me to think about going into student debt because I'm one of those women who pays off the principle of both credit cards I own every month.

[DebraBaker]

One more thing (and if I think of another, I'll simply start my own thread!) is it risky to start doing a lot of *saving*?

I usually think the more we save, the better. We're completely vested in dh's company's 401k and we try to have a safe amount in personal savings, but I'm starting to think it may be better to get some ducks in a row.

I get a sense that it won't be a total collapse, but something sort of different like the late 1970's were harsh and like nothing we had seen but more severe.

Sigh, sorry to monopolize, Tracy et. al.

[Kerry]

I would love to get specific and talk food, fuel, cash, gold, ect.

[DebraBaker]

I'm thinking about buying some gold, but I get a strong sense that I shouldn't stockpile food and energy.

This is a bit personal.

About eight years ago, I got a strong pull (I believe from G-d) that I shouldn't horde. That I shouldn't store clothing from one child to another because there were children in the present tense who could use the clothing.

Tied into this was a sense that hording was like not having faith for provision, that if I gave away I would be given even more because it was creating a flow instead of stagnation.

That time period marked the beginning of prosperity for our family.
We are blessed and I believe this is one element of that.

I'm not sure if this is a personal thing or something for other people as well.

[Tracy]

edited because it was just way too long ....

but my thoughts about how to personally prepare for some of the changes which we are doing in our house..

debt free.

small nut. or smaller nut.

more efficient car.

stock investments small. t-bills okay. maybe make some purchases in gold.

possibly figuring out how to be more green efficient.

[Kerry]

I know what you are saying about hoarding, and I have had the same experience with clothing. I get really nice hand me downs and I alway panic a little that I haven't saved stuff and I should really start saving more, then I give it all away and immediatly come into really great stuff that fits the kids now. However I think the food/fuel thing is different. It isn't like we already have it and are keeping it from someone else. I have BIG preperation issues. I need to feel well prepared and having a plan that included food and fuel storage will do that for me.

DH and I talked tonight about whether we will invest in some land that we have been eyeing in order to build a more energy effiencient house, but we feel that too much energy would have to go into selling this house. Energy that we just can't spare so we are going to stay and hoepfully install a wood burning stove, look into solar panels, explore our propane options, look into local gold buying, and slowly build up our food storage.

I'm confused about the gold though; are we going to be trying to trade with out $700 coins? :

[Emmama]

Tracy thank you for posting this. I known about some stuff to come, but not from the astrological side. It is amazing how it all fits together.

[Tracy]

I'm confused about the gold though; are we going to be trying to trade with out $700 coins?

I know what you mean... I think my friend is getting jewelry that she can break off..and maybe some ingots (sp?)

[Kerry]

what's an ingot?

[Tracy]

here's an example of one.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...l%3Den%26lr%3D

[Kerry]

I'm confused. If gold is 635 and ounce and those are 100 grams, isn't that more? So having those ingrams would be even more money per peice than coins, right?

[Kerry]

Thanks for posting that picture. I went onto Ebay and there are several different sizes, going as low as 1 gram, so that would work. I'm really happy to know about that because we were really puzzled about having so much tied up in one little coin.

[E.V. Lowi]

This is a facinating thread. Thank you for posting all the interesting links! I'm subscribing.

[Emmama]

Re Gold: It is an investment. Back in ancient times, it was the currency, but that is not what people are doing when investing in it. You buy bars, ingots, and coins in gold, silver, platinum, or palladium and then, when you decide to cash it in, you will, hopefully, have more cash than you did before. THink of it as a cd that you can keep in a safe at home, if you will.