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post #101 of 861

Could this be MORE die-off?

Please help me mamas. I feel like my DS is on crack or speed right now. It is AWFUL!!!!! : : :

He has been on diflucan for about 3 weeks to ward off extra yeast growth when he took atbx for bad gut bacteria. He's on lots of probiotics and L Glutamine as well.

We had a bad die-off day on the first day of diflucan, because he's also got lots of yeast overgrowth in that little gut. We started Vit C for that and it's seemed to really help. He gets about 3000mg spread over the day.

Today, however, he's been a disaster. Hyper, defiant, crazed with his body, VERY short nap, refusing sleep right now for over an hour (he's still awake). He can't stop moving or talking or flopping his body around. It's a mess.

He's eaten nothing different today. Or yesterday. But, he does have a red anus area.

Ack! What could be going on and what can I do about this. Fast! I feel like I need to detox this guy somehow.......

thanks!
megin
post #102 of 861
megin,
DD1's behavior is totally linked to what's going on inside of her. DD1's appetite will also wane w/die off. That's probably what's going on.

What has he eaten today?

Have you tried an epsom salt bath? That will help with die off though it makes dd1 hyper.

It seems to calm dd2 so you'll just have to try and see how your ds reacts to it. I think epsom salts help calm *most* kids.
post #103 of 861
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Originally Posted by Cullens Girl
okay - I joined at the tail end of last month's thread...

was wondering if anyone here suffered from IBS? I'm considering getting a referral to gastroentologist(sp?)..
Yes, I was diagnosed w/IBS several years ago. I think many of us here have been.

Read the stickys at the top of h&h if you haven't already and check out the Specific Carbohydrate Diet.

Don't know what your symptoms are like, but mo is that you might want to try the diet out first before going through a bunch of invasive tests.
post #104 of 861
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Originally Posted by Annikate
megin,

What has he eaten today?
Today he ate peanut butter on a brown rice cake, a raw food version of clif bar (dates and nuts mostly), a few fruit leathers, french fries (ack!), a cheetah bar (puffed brown rice), gfcf raisin bread, and some apple sauce. it definitely was a lighter eating day as far as he goes.

so, if it is die-off, i'll definitely try an epsom salt bath. what else shall i do?

thanks!
megin
post #105 of 861
DD1 gets a little nuts if she doesn't have enough protein -- - I was wondering if your ds had some today. DD1 also has an almost *immediate* behavioral reaction to ANY grain.

Epsom salt bath (or you can make your own cream if you're really ambitious!) and lots of .

post #106 of 861
Oy protein! So hard with this one. (allergies and major food texture issues). He had some through peanut butter and some through water buffalo milk yogurt (strange enough for ya?). Grains, well, I think they are here to stay for DS. And he usually seems to tolerate them well -- at least the ones he can eat, which are few, since he's allergic to gluten.

I'll try epsom salts tomorrow if this persists. Thanks! I think he just went to sleep after fighting it for almost 2 hours. Oy again!

megin
post #107 of 861
DD2 is allergic to gluten too so our house is gluten-free.

I did give dd1 (who is doing the SCD with us) some quinoa pasta the other day (which had some corn in it too) and that turned out to be a total nightmare. Poor baby, she was soooo excited to have that macaroni though.

Today she was back to hurting from constipation and I'm because I gave in to a weak moment.

(Of course, I guess it could have been the nuts she had yesterday too, but I suspect the pasta.)
post #108 of 861
Yes I had IBS and it's gone.

See studies here: http://www.paratuberculosis.net/40do...ut_microflora/

It's imbalanced gut flora and inability to properly digest food. But no mainstream dr. will know that.
post #109 of 861
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Originally Posted by megincl
Today he ate peanut butter on a brown rice cake, a raw food version of clif bar (dates and nuts mostly), a few fruit leathers, french fries (ack!), a cheetah bar (puffed brown rice), gfcf raisin bread, and some apple sauce. it definitely was a lighter eating day as far as he goes.

so, if it is die-off, i'll definitely try an epsom salt bath. what else shall i do?

thanks!
megin
I don't think it's die off, but the opposite ... all those sugars would make my DS the same insane person!

(Actually me too, back in the day, horrible anxiety, buzzing insomnia, nightwaking etc.)

Does he have soft stool and gas?

L- Glutamine also causes hyperactivity, I would pull it first to see if that is it.
post #110 of 861
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Originally Posted by JaneS
I don't think it's die off, but the opposite ... all those sugars would make my DS the same insane person!

(Actually me too, back in the day, horrible anxiety, buzzing insomnia, nightwaking etc.)

Does he have soft stool and gas?

L- Glutamine also causes hyperactivity, I would pull it first to see if that is it.
Movin' over - - the boss is here. :

Don't pay any attention to my posts - - I don't know what I'm talking about.
post #111 of 861
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Originally Posted by megincl
I know that this thread, and the others, are packed with info, but sometimes it's hard to figure out what applies, so I hope it's okay if I ask a directed question:

DS is 3yo and has gut issues. He's allergic to tons of stuff, is on probiotics and L Glutamine to help his digestion (they help a lot), has too much yeast and too much anaerobic bacteria in his gut. All this being said, he's doing rather well with everything. He had reflux as a babe as well.

We're about to start TTC #2, and DW, who will carry the babe, is ready to take on healing her gut in order to provide the most healthy nurturing environment for babe #2. DW doesn't seem to have huge problems, but we do see links between her and DS. Mainly, she is gassy and often slightly constipated. She hasn't been tested for anything like yeast (never had thrush or anything). What course might she take to balance her gut before we make this next babe?

Thanks!
megin
What I say to everyone: Digestive enzymes every meal, between meals and lots and lots of probiotics. She might not need to change diet much, but needless to say no junk food at all.

See the thread "How Not to Have An Allergic Child" and do (or not do) all of those things with the new babe to be. I don't know what Quinn's history is, but formula or abx or vaxs, no way!

And I don't know your dietary philosophy is, but I sorely regret that I had not read "Nourishing Traditons" and "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration" before pg. http://www.westonaprice.org/traditio...ry_wisdom.html

Did you see that Prepping for Pg thread, I think I have it linked in Cheat Sheet?
post #112 of 861
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Originally Posted by Annikate
Movin' over - - the boss is here. :

Don't pay any attention to my posts - - I don't know what I'm talking about.


OH please ... hey we all can experience this differently. Personally die off for me was headache, foggy head and nausea, but digestive symptoms generally got better not worse (ex. for constipation). It's SO much harder to guess what is going on with your child.
post #113 of 861
Quote:
Originally Posted by Annikate
DD2 is allergic to gluten too so our house is gluten-free.

I did give dd1 (who is doing the SCD with us) some quinoa pasta the other day (which had some corn in it too) and that turned out to be a total nightmare. Poor baby, she was soooo excited to have that macaroni though.

Today she was back to hurting from constipation and I'm because I gave in to a weak moment.

(Of course, I guess it could have been the nuts she had yesterday too, but I suspect the pasta.)
Poor bunny! Gale Force has a corn allergy I think.

Tinkyada rice pasta is very good. When DS was still bf'ing he could handle that quite well...
post #114 of 861
Still over here.

I really need some sleep!
post #115 of 861
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Originally Posted by Nolansmum
Very cool!! I am passing info about healing the gut to anyone who will listen!

Little bits of progress
I know I have a long way to go but I thought I'd share how SCD has helped me...I get migraines and suffer from motion sickness esp when I go in an airplane. I had a 3 hr flight yesterday(with baby) and I felt great, not even a touch of nausea! This is the first time in my life I have not gotten sick (and did not have to drug myself up with Dramamine.) I think that my gut issues are closely related to my migraines and am glad to have some success.

Teeth-
Did someone ask about a tooth/gut relationship? I've been reading so many different threads I cannot keep them straight! Coincidence or no-DS got his first tooth 3 days ago even though he has been showing teething symptoms for 4-5 months. Could it be that my leaky gut is starting to heal and finally enabled his body to get what it needed to pop out the tooth?


I often think my motion sickness (as well as severe pg sickness) was due to poor digestion. I haven't been on a boat recently to test the first tho...

"Teething" for months without a tooth appearing is thrush I believe. And excessive drooling.
post #116 of 861
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Originally Posted by Annikate
Still over here.

I really need some sleep!
Don't we all... MT would whip our butts!
post #117 of 861
SCD vs. BED

I tried the BED first and it was too darn hard as a whole. The SCD has more "normal" food. But the dairy kefir really agreed with me.

I also didn't like the whole colonic aspect and the product hawking you also noticed of the BED. They do suggest enzymes though, that is a plus in their column.

Not sure how I feel about the food combining thing. I've read so many conflicting views on it, it's hard to know who or what to believe.
post #118 of 861
My ears must have been burning. But I can barely see this computer screen -- I'm exhausted and think I'll take a nap.

Yes, I have a corn allergy. It's not so bad anymore since I consume it rarely and have stayed away from it for about three years now.


Megin -- Cut down the fruit and up the protein. My son would be an absolute monster on the diet. If you can get the milk version of that buffalo yogurt, make an egg nog: 1 cup milk warmed to body temp, dash of vanilla if he can have it. Separate an egg, add spoon of honey to yolk, mix. Slowly mix in warmed milk. Use the egg white for merengue cookies later. And never say things like "grains are here to stay" because you might jinx yourself.
post #119 of 861
Answered the wrong post - please ignore.
post #120 of 861
Megin, what Amanda said! All those carbs are feeding the yeasties! Especially the fried and puffed stuff. Rice puffs have almost no nutritional value, but lots of sugars for the yeasties.

JaneS, what about the barley grass and oat grass in Primal Defense -- wouldn't they contain gluten? I noticed the Probiotic Defense has lots of copper in it -- 90% of the USRDA -- and it has seaweed in it. The whole green foods thing is a bit of a quandary, in that yes, chlorophyll is great and so are the vitamins, but of course sea veggies are SCD illegal and can be hard on anyone with autoimmune conditions. And then grasses are grains! Is there a version of the HSOs that doesn't have the grasses or algae/kelp in it? Another thing that makes me nervous about Primal Defense is that it doesn't actually state everything that's in there.

Going by migraines and motion sickness, SCD has not worked to heal my gut, I still get both, although less severe. I used to drink a Coke for motion sickness, now I have to tough it out most of the time (unless perrier or some such is available).
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