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post #141 of 861
saskiasmom,

Yes this whole healing process can be discouraging, depressing, and hard. Every one of us on this board has been there at some point. It will not always be like that, it does get better (not that there won't be intermittent frustrated moments).

A word of advice, said as nicely as possible: you need to stop worrying about the "one month for every year" thing. It is clearly driving you nuts. While it may be a general rule, each of us is individual and different people take different amounts of time to heal. But as I said before, you may have had problems for a while that you weren't even aware weren't normal. I started the whole healing thing because my daughter showed signs of food intolerances--I felt fine and didn't know I had any problems. But now that I've been doing this for awhile, I know I had many symptoms of yeast overgrowth--acne, low blood sugar issues, gas, constipation (I thought it was due to eating a low-fiber diet as it went away as soon as I added more fiber), itching in the nether regions (never had a yeast infection though), blisters on the bottom of my foot for no apparent reason (now I believe they were a fungal infection as they are gone), mild depression...there's probably others.

On the adding carbs thing--you will not necessarily know if the diet is helping you based on how you feel if you add more carbs or "illegal" foods. While many people feel lousy or have symptoms return when they eat illegal foods, I feel no different, so that's not an absolute guide.

If you want suggestions on meals or ways to get more coconut oil (that taste good, too), let me know I have quite a few. You can eat fairly "normal" meals--I have recipes for shepherd's pie, chili, chop suey among others.
post #142 of 861
wow..you people are so smart..i am trying to keep up!
post #143 of 861
saskiasmom,
I think we've all been through the emotional part of starting this healing process. I didn't think I needed healing either. I NEVER had any type of yeast issues in my life, was not in any pain, ate whatever I pleased and didn't think much about my gut. Until I came here in the hopes of helping dd.

The first 3 weeks were the worst. It's hard trying to alter your lifestyle so dramatically all at once. I remember the second week standing in my kitchen just sobbing to dh about how hard it was and "why, why, why?"

You'll get past it. I promise. And, you will feel better for it.
post #144 of 861
Okay, I have a question. Let's see how non-rambly I can make this. I'm on an anti-candida diet. I'm supposed to start doing parasite cleanses. But this month there's too much going on, so I've been backing off. Friday, I thought it would be fine to eat something sugary. (VERY sugary, as I discovered. are regular people numb to sweetness?) Next day, it seemed like I had a cold, and indigestion too. Today, I just have a swollen throat (only on my right side) and a sensitive right eye. Meanwhile all my joint pain (which hasn't really come back yet) is always on my right side, supposed to be indicative of liver issues.

So the question: how likely is it that this is a flare up of yeast, or whatever?

I'm thinking of getting into grilling fish and eventually organic chicken, thoug I'm (not-strict) vegetarian and in particular avoid cooking meat at home. Mainly so that it's something easy and safe, and something I can get my DP to do when I'm really zonked.

In general, I'm so overwhelmed
post #145 of 861

bifidus and SCD

I'm starting slowly into all this, and am getting ready to start making my own yogurt. But I'm confused about the bifidus issue in SCD. I know Elaine is very against it in a starter, but it is what infants need, right? I'm doing this to help dd, who is 9 weeks old with major food intolerances. And if I don't use it in the yogurt starter, should I keep taking my supplement that has it?

Thanks!
post #146 of 861
Thread Starter 
I just wanted to point out that I just put links to all the past HTG threads. There is so much info in these threads and if anyone has a couple of weeks to yourself to spare, you should be able to sail through them

In searching for the links, I inadvertently found out that it was Jane's b-day last week, so a belated Happy B-Day Jane

sakiasmom, first off, Are you familiar the stages of grief by Kubler-Ross, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_stages_of_grief If not, you might want to take a look at it. You are just at the beginning of this journey and I can guarantee you that when all of us started this journey, our emotions were very similar to yours. Without a doubt I could have written your post 4 yrs ago : (oh dear, has it been that long). This is hard. Please, I'll say it again, this is incredibly difficult and I'm sorry you have joined us on the journey. It does get easier, I promise And please don't worry about offending anyone, we.have.all.been.there. Please be gentle w/yourself.
post #147 of 861
JaneS, that transfer factor page reminded a friend of mine of a scam one of her aunts was involved in that used egg antibodies. She said it was almost the same wording, only using colostrum where her aunt's had used egg antibodies.
post #148 of 861
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Originally Posted by LovinLiviLou
I'm starting slowly into all this, and am getting ready to start making my own yogurt. But I'm confused about the bifidus issue in SCD. I know Elaine is very against it in a starter, but it is what infants need, right? I'm doing this to help dd, who is 9 weeks old with major food intolerances. And if I don't use it in the yogurt starter, should I keep taking my supplement that has it?

Thanks!
Bifidus is what you need if you give it to your babe directly. You don't need to use bifidus for yourself, the 24 hr yogurt should be fine for you. If your gut is healthy and has the right balance of good bacteria your DD should get the proper bacteria (bifidus) for her through the BM.
post #149 of 861

raw milk jitters

Hey folks,

I'm about to take the plunge and make my first order for raw milk. Mostly I'll make yogurt for me and DW and DS will drink raw goat milk (and maybe I'll make yogurt for him too). I'm feeling a bit jittery, though, at this last minute moment about the whole raw thing. I know raw milk suppliers are super careful, but if something weren't right, what would I be looking for (in terms of symptoms, reaction, etc). And any words of reassurance?

Second, where can I buy the yogurt starter (I think yogurmet) that folks have mentioned around here?

Can't wait to take this plunge -- thanks for helping to make the landing gentler......

megin
post #150 of 861
Anybody know anything about herbal teas? I'm thinking about buying some bulk herbs to make a tea for liver support and one for digestive support. The liver support blend I'm looking at has burdock root, dandelion root, echinacea, Oregon grape root, yellow dock root, and sarsaparilla. The digestive support blend has fennel, fenugreek, ginger root, and spearmint (it also calls for flax seed but I think flax is bad so I won't use that). Or a different digestive support tea (supposed to be stronger) calls for angelica root, ginger root, yellow dock root, fennel, cinnamon chips, and cardamom pods.
post #151 of 861
Cademyn - all of the herbs you mention for liver support are good for that, as are those for digestion. Although it would be weak (in tea), fenugreek is used to boost milk supply... Also, I would love recipes. If its easy to copy and paste into a pm, that would be great. Thanks

Thanks to everyone for your support. Today has been better; Im not thinking about it (trying hard not to), and, Ive been eating so much coconut oil that I think my body is getting to a non-starved state, so I can function without feeling mentally detached and physically weak. Had a great afternoon at the zoo with the fam.

I understand what your saying about having previous issues and now I can experience true health (or whatever). I know this will change my outlook on food and eating and self-care, but truly, I just want my tongue to go back to normal, and then I dont really care if I live with hidden issues caused by yeast And I know there's not a timeline, per say. But Im wondering, when people talk about being *healed*, what does this mean to you? Do you then start eating more *illegals* or are you so converted to your new level of health that you arent tempted (I can imagine that). I feel so cut off from the mainstream, and I dont like it. Ive always been on the fringe as it is b/c of the way I eat, and now I feel like an alien. Food is so much a part of family, and community and social life - a part that I realize is very central to my life. Now I just shove fat and calories in so I wont feel awful. Its feels very sad to me - that's the part I just try not to think about.

So I know time is relative, but once you start this, are you all of the mind that you have started a new road in life? This is not to *cure* a problem like treating another sickness, but a new life? I really want there to be a treatment that has a beginning and end (athough saying that, I cant see dropping everything and going back after integrating this all for so long). How did/do you know when you've reached the end (like JaneS said it took her a year to be healed - what happened at the end of that year that told you you were healed?).

I at least want to feel like Im making progress, not like Im just starving the yeast but not killing it. That's what makes something like nystatin so appealing. Science/clinical evidence shows it works. If Im throwing myself into this, I need to know its moving forward, and at least I feel like with meds it would be.

Thanks again for listening and supporting and your thoughts.

Strength to us all!
jess
post #152 of 861
megin,
We've been using raw milk for yogurt since Feb. w/no problems at all. In fact, I never used *regular* milk for it at all.

To put your mind at ease, just think of all the crap that's in pasturized milk. Google it and read about the process. That'll make you feel better!

What really sold me on the raw milk was smelling it the first time I opened a gallon. It smelled awesome and tasty so rich and creamy!

Oh, you can get yogourmet starter at lucy's kitchen shoppe. I think it's lucyskitchenshoppe.com but not sure.

FWIW, I used it for the first time yesterday and I like using Dannon better. It's probably because that's what I've been used to but it seems that Dannon makes mine thicker and creamier than the Yogourmet. I think after this batch I'll go back to Dannon.
post #153 of 861
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Originally Posted by Annikate
megin,

Oh, you can get yogourmet starter at lucy's kitchen shoppe. I think it's lucyskitchenshoppe.com but not sure.

FWIW, I used it for the first time yesterday and I like using Dannon better. It's probably because that's what I've been used to but it seems that Dannon makes mine thicker and creamier than the Yogourmet. I think after this batch I'll go back to Dannon.
thanks for the mind-easing info on the raw milk/yogurt.

Do you mean a Dannon starter or just using some Dannon yogurt as a starter? Can you just use any yogurt as a starter (maybe Stonyfield?)? If so, how much and how do you add it to the warmed milk?

Thanks!
megin
post #154 of 861
If you're doing strict SCD, then only Dannon plain (not non or low-fat) is legal. No other brand.
post #155 of 861
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Originally Posted by AmyD
In searching for the links, I inadvertently found out that it was Jane's b-day last week, so a belated Happy B-Day Jane
: Jane!
post #156 of 861
Quote:
Originally Posted by ericaz
Oh crap...I think I did it now. My digestion was just starting to seem on the upswing when I took pyridium (urinary analgesic - I get chronic UTIs from sex and we're ttc so my doc prescribed it as a preventative) and had/have massive amounts of stomach pain.


Try high doses of vitamin C for UTI prevention.
post #157 of 861
Quote:
Originally Posted by AmyD
I just wanted to point out that I just put links to all the past HTG threads. There is so much info in these threads and if anyone has a couple of weeks to yourself to spare, you should be able to sail through them

In searching for the links, I inadvertently found out that it was Jane's b-day last week, so a belated Happy B-Day Jane
"couple weeks to spare"

Thanks for the bday wishes ... but I'm trying to ignore this one!!! :

DS kept saying I'm 59 to everyone for some bizarre reason!
At least he hasn't said that in a few days...
post #158 of 861
Quote:
Originally Posted by megincl
thanks for the mind-easing info on the raw milk/yogurt.

Do you mean a Dannon starter or just using some Dannon yogurt as a starter? Can you just use any yogurt as a starter (maybe Stonyfield?)? If so, how much and how do you add it to the warmed milk?

Thanks!
megin
Stoneyfield would be good b/c it has L. Reuteri too. You can use any yogurt without additives unless you are doing SCD.

I think I linked yogurt instructions in Cheat Sheet? If not let me know b/c that should definitely be there!
post #159 of 861
Wow Jess, you have some tough questions we haven't been asked before.

First of all, the word on the street is that Nystatin really doesn't work all that well. And the thing is, once you kill the yeast, you need good bacteria to take over the space. Let's say you keep eating food that is not digested well... what do you think is going to take up the space? More yeast growing again. Or bad bacteria maybe. You can never kill it all off, the idea to get enough good bacteria to keep the bad ones down. I think 85% vs. 15% is the number Jordan Rubin talks about.

Our gut flora weights up to 3lbs. Think about how heavy 3lbs is, that's a LOT of little tiny bugs to grow and sustain!!

"Healing" for me was not having any symptoms: no gas, no foggy head, no insomnia or anxiety and normal stools, first with advanced SCD foods; dried fruit for ex. And then I tried real sourdough bread, no reaction.

Yes I did drop out of society for a bit. Still am in a way. But it's not hard, it becomes habit. And hey, I like being rid of 4 immune system conditions, some of which were VERY painful!
post #160 of 861
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Originally Posted by LovinLiviLou
I'm starting slowly into all this, and am getting ready to start making my own yogurt. But I'm confused about the bifidus issue in SCD. I know Elaine is very against it in a starter, but it is what infants need, right? I'm doing this to help dd, who is 9 weeks old with major food intolerances. And if I don't use it in the yogurt starter, should I keep taking my supplement that has it?

Thanks!
You should give DD a bifidus supplmenet directly. Work up to 3x/day. Yes EBF babes are (or all infants should be) something like 95% bifidus dominent.

I'm not sure I agree with Elaine on the bifidus issue for adults anymore, but not sure you want to hear that!
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