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I know there are a lot of newbies here & its hard to read, yk, 90 pages of back HTG threads : :

Epsom salt baths help w/die-off.

that is all






And where the heck is firefaery??
post #42 of 861
Jane's back! I love reading your posts. I think that I must do some more of my own research. I have gotten spoiled by all you have done. I am back in a bad way and despairing a bit. I just continue to be thankful that I am not also trying to heal and dc's, like many of you are doing.

I do think that I have figured out my latest relapse. I am out of enzymes. And I thought they weren't doing much. Well, I guess now I know. And I have been eating raw fruit. Actually, I have been doing that for a while, so maybe that is ok.

What am I healing, someone asked? Major stomach issues. Constipation, gas, bloating, tender, liquid filled colon, at least part of it. Depression. Bleeding gums (got on sodium ascorbate now, thanks much). Red bumps on back of arms. I think that is it. : Well, really the stomach stuff. By now I know all the other stuff is related, so am hoping to see improvement there too.

Jane, did I not read you dissing Rubin at some point? I guess you have changed your mind?
post #43 of 861
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Thanks so much for your reply JaneS!
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What about giving babe bifidus to help seal up her gut?
That hadn't occurred to me but I guess I can do that.

Udo's Choice Infant Blend has:
Lactobacillus casei, Streptococcus thermophilus, Bifidobacterium infantis, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bifidobacterium bifidum, Bifidobacterium breve, Lactobacillus bulgaricus
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Definately take lots more probiotics.
Sounds like a good idea.
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Also magnesium is great for constipation.
Yes I was taking that too but got lazy...
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GI Revive is an intesting product.
GI Revive contains L-glutamine, N-acetyl-glucosamine, MSM, DGL, slippery elm, marshmallow, chamomile, okra, TOA-free cat’s claw, quercitin, and mucin. Dh says that most of those ingredients are anti-inflammatory (he takes a lot of supplements for sport injuries).
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You could try goat's milk and/or raw milk.
I will test goat's milk but unfortunately raw milk is totally unavailable here in Canada as far as I know (strict regulations that are being enforced).
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See Yeast/Bacteria link here re: taking enzymes between meals
www.enzymestuff.com
That makes sense but I guess I should be taking Houston's No-Phenol or anti-yeast enzymes if I am concerned about yeast. Right now I am just taking Zyme Prime and AFP Peptizyde.
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Not sure what to say except make sure to get some probiotics into him and see if there are any changes on that front.
He's been taking Udo's Choice Infant Blend probiotics and the Houston digestive enzymes for the past 2.5 months already, but no obvious changes.
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Mine has always liked to chew capsules but perhaps he's just weird.
My ds is weird too - he absolutely loves chewing on salmon oil capsules!
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Pee accidents usually mean yeast problems from what I've read in ASD community.
That's a new one on me! What is the ASD community (autism spectrum disorder??)
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Do you want to post a sample diet for your DS and we can try to brainstorm for further help?
Thanks for the offer. Actually things are getting a bit better as ds is gradually eating more meat and vegetables, though not as enthusiatic about fish and ygghurt as he used to be. We've cut way down on the refined carbs but we still rely on them somewhat. Anyway things are in flux right now so I might take you up on the offer when our diet stabilizes a bit. I'm thinking that some really good stocks might help him and he might eat them too so I will work on that (I am a former vegetarian so all this stuff is new to me).
post #45 of 861

Canadian supplier of Nature Calm Magnesium

Someone was looking for a Canadian Supplier of Nature Calm Magnesium? The Root of the Matter has a not-very-user-friendly web site but I ordered from them and they shipped promptly with no problems.
post #46 of 861
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Sounds like thyroid problems.
So what can I do about it?
If the NT diet is not fixing thyroid problems, what will?
I've been using sea salt for months and not celtic, so I might be deficient in iodine? I know thyroid problems are complex, but I really don't know anything about how to treat it. The coconut forum has a ton of stories how CO is helping them. Well I just ran out of CO and can't get any more for a long time.
I'm also running out of CLO, so I expect things to get a lot worse.
post #47 of 861
Subbing and coming to post my comments about Garden of Life Primal Defense powder.

For me, it has always been (like since it came out on the market) the *one* supplement that I could count on to keep my gut balanced. Gave me nice, perfect poops each morning - no straining, no gas - NO WIPING!
Then, out of nowhere it stopped working as well. A friend of mine who I had recommended it to for her son with Asperger's said he had also begun seeing less positive results and she thought it was because they had begun to add some dairy to the processing.
As I was seeking out a replacement I decided to just pick up the Primal Defense caps intead of the powder. I have a history of being able to absorb powders MUCH easier than caps (and forget about gel cap filled with oils) but I figured I'd give it a shot. Well, they didn't work. Not at all. It was like I had taken a completely different supplement than the PD powder! On the suggestion of a wise woman who works in the supplement dept of my favorite health food store, I tried the Garden of Life Digestive Enzymes. WHOA! They gave me a major symptom flare. I called the company and they asked a zillion questions. Turns out I wasn't the only one with a negative reaction and they gave me my money back.
I still needed a replacement probiotic and at that point (and currently) I really couldn't afford to spend $45 on Primal Defense so I bought a recommended new one on the market from NOW (less than $20 and contains similar strains/soil-based organisms like PD). I usually have good results with NOW supplements and so far I really like these probiotics.
Nothing seems to be working (and I mean nothing) during the second part of my menstrual cycles. Digestion deteriorates, IC symptoms flare and I feel generally crappy. Clearly there's a hormonal link despite my normal hormone tests. I really don't need a test to tell me my issues are related to my hormones and/or immune system.
So, that's basically what I'm trying to figure out now. Back to self-diagnosing and analyzing my health to death! Anyone else?
post #48 of 861
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I still needed a replacement probiotic and at that point (and currently) I really couldn't afford to spend $45 on Primal Defense so I bought a recommended new one on the market from NOW (less than $20 and contains similar strains/soil-based organisms like PD). I usually have good results with NOW supplements and so far I really like these probiotics.
Nothing seems to be working (and I mean nothing) during the second part of my menstrual cycles. Digestion deteriorates, IC symptoms flare and I feel generally crappy. Clearly there's a hormonal link despite my normal hormone tests. I really don't need a test to tell me my issues are related to my hormones and/or immune system.
So, that's basically what I'm trying to figure out now. Back to self-diagnosing and analyzing my health to death! Anyone else?
Thanks for the info. re: Primal Defense. I've been looking at that product for dd1.

I really like NOW brand supplements too - their B12 is by far the one that works best for me. I'll check out their probiotics. What is the name of the one you're talking about?

Re: menstrual cycles & gut - - me too! AF always messes with my digestion. It took me a while to link it solely to hormones, but that's all it is. I really really dislike that bit**. Ah well, at least she waited 10 mos. pp this time. With dd1 she returned 6 WEEKS pp!
post #49 of 861
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Originally Posted by JaneS
UGH, I feel bad for complaining about 3 (and DH is helping).

Have you tried high doses of vitamin C to neutralize toxins? I keep meaning to post that link to discussion w/ MT in N/I 101 thread.

Is she eating a lot of fruit?



There aren't as much lipases and proteases in lacto fermented foods as in capsules. Might be important for the proteins as well. I know DS has a protein eating bad gut bug for ex.
She normally "only" gets up 3 times. I'm going to start high doses of C for me in a week or so--right now I'm doing vitamin C flushes. She hasn't started on solids yet, and I'm not eating any fruit.
post #50 of 861
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Originally Posted by Annikate
Thanks for the info. re: Primal Defense. I've been looking at that product for dd1.

I really like NOW brand supplements too - their B12 is by far the one that works best for me. I'll check out their probiotics. What is the name of the one you're talking about?

Re: menstrual cycles & gut - - me too! AF always messes with my digestion. It took me a while to link it solely to hormones, but that's all it is. I really really dislike that bit**. Ah well, at least she waited 10 mos. pp this time. With dd1 she returned 6 WEEKS pp!
It's called Probiotic Defense and seems to have a very similar ingredient profile as Primal Defence. Funny how the names are similar, too, eh? I'm noticing on their site that they also offer it in powder but they did not have that at my health food store. When I'm finished my bottle I think I'll see if they can order the powder for me.

re: gut/menstrual cycles - I was talking with my mother about this and she works in a large doctors office with a bunch of other women. She said almost all of them have stomach issues right before they get their period. I'm sensing the only difference (maybe not since I have no other information on their accompanying symptoms) is that when my digestion falters the rest of my body just seems to shut down and I am open to all sorts of pathogens, i.e. yeast and bacteria overgrowth. When I think clearly about it the one thing that stands out is leaky gut. If my gut wall weren't leaky I wouldn't have this constant barrage of pathogenic bugs wreaking havoc. Now, the question is...why do my hormones seem to be setting me up for this frequent inflammation?? Same goes for my IC symptoms. I had a great chat with a NP yesterday (who dx'd my IC after 15 years of no specialist being able to do so) who agreed that people who seem to have a similar profile as I also have a major hormone imbalance that does not necessarily show up on hormone tests. This is why my issues went away when I was pregnant. I'm just hoping with all my heart and soul that when I finally get pregnant again I'll have the same experience. What a nightmare that would be if it reversed and my symptoms worsened (as is the case for some people). Must. Think. Positive.
post #51 of 861
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Originally Posted by EBG
So what can I do about it?
If the NT diet is not fixing thyroid problems, what will?
I've been using sea salt for months and not celtic, so I might be deficient in iodine? I know thyroid problems are complex, but I really don't know anything about how to treat it. The coconut forum has a ton of stories how CO is helping them. Well I just ran out of CO and can't get any more for a long time.
I'm also running out of CLO, so I expect things to get a lot worse.
Wasn't it just on the Nutrition/Immunology thread that the iodine patch test was discussed? Someone did it and is supplementing with iodine.
post #52 of 861
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Originally Posted by sierratahoe
Back to reality: Ok, now what do I do?? What kind of a doc should I be looking for? I simply cannot afford to have an appointment with every gut doc in town hoping against hope for one who has his/her head out of his/her arse and has heard of leaky gut or anything else slightly alternative. Nor can I afford to visit with every 'naturopathic' nutcase who just wants to rinse me out or give me a rubdown or stick needles in me (no offense to any who might find acupuncture helpful for their gut; I just doubt a session or two is going to heal me, nor is a massage or two). Should I aim for calling every D.O. in town and ask if they have experience with healing guts? Or just scrap getting help and focus on helping myself? What about tests? Could it be that I possibly actually don't need any testing and just need to experiment with what works for me?

Now for the million dollar question: I know this is called healing the gut, but, will there ever be a day when I don't have to fear certain foods? Will there ever be a day I can eat trigger foods without paying the price? Is it truly possible to make this all better and move beyond it, looking back at the experience and laughing nervously?
I have felt exactly this way! I know what you mean.

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re: gut/menstrual cycles - I was talking with my mother about this and she works in a large doctors office with a bunch of other women. She said almost all of them have stomach issues right before they get their period. I'm sensing the only difference (maybe not since I have no other information on their accompanying symptoms) is that when my digestion falters the rest of my body just seems to shut down and I am open to all sorts of pathogens, i.e. yeast and bacteria overgrowth. When I think clearly about it the one thing that stands out is leaky gut. If my gut wall weren't leaky I wouldn't have this constant barrage of pathogenic bugs wreaking havoc. Now, the question is...why do my hormones seem to be setting me up for this frequent inflammation?? Same goes for my IC symptoms. I had a great chat with a NP yesterday (who dx'd my IC after 15 years of no specialist being able to do so) who agreed that people who seem to have a similar profile as I also have a major hormone imbalance that does not necessarily show up on hormone tests. This is why my issues went away when I was pregnant. I'm just hoping with all my heart and soul that when I finally get pregnant again I'll have the same experience. What a nightmare that would be if it reversed and my symptoms worsened (as is the case for some people).
This has been my experience as well. I felt better gutwise during my pg and for a few weeks after DD was born, and then back to my old hurts again. I have no doubt that our cycles affect our bowels. In my experience though, my worst pain (neurological) occurs right before I ovulate. After I ovulate, I get really constipated (progesterone slows peristalsis, so in case the egg was fertilized and you're pregnant, the contents have longer to be absorbed. I think it's a nutrient sparing thing). I haven't had a period since DD was born, so what will happen then remains to be seen.

Sorry I posted and haven't made it back yet. I didn't even try to keep up . When I first posted, I think it was like pg 11 of the last thread. When I'm able to come back a few days later y'all are already to page 20something! Wow, you all can post a lot !
post #53 of 861
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while visiting my folks, i was strolling through their grocery store and saw a product i wondered if anyone here had tried - Nutrition Now's Yeast Defense (e.g., http://www.nutrivene.com/view_item.php?ProductID=124). i really was looking at it as something my sister might try. she and her ds are battling thrush with NO help from docs - apparently the four docs she's seen don't believe Dr. Newman's (some famous doc in Toronto) protocol and will not give her nystatin for both herself and her ds. These @#$@#$ docs claim that thrush can't be transmitted between mom and baby. Gah. I think she's going to try to get into Dr. Newman's schedule while she's in the area. I've pointed her to the cheat sheet, but with 2 little ones and the computer in a remote part of the house, she doesn't get online much.

ETA: she never listens to me coz i'm the big sis (she did cut out dairy and sugar but then started losing weight and she doesn't really have much extra to lose so she got scared). i did just find out that Dr Newman emailed her an Rx for something (though my mom was vague as usual).
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OT...is it terrible of me to let DD cry for a minute in the middle of the night? Last night she woke up 5 times, and DH's back was realy bothering him so he didn't get up with her at all. The third time she woke up, DH said, "Why don't you just let her cry for a while?" (we have distinctly different ideas on the "benefits" of CIO). So...just to appease him for a minute and because I was really exhausted, I lay in bed, thinking, "This will never work, she'll just get more and more upset." Lo and behold, less than two minutes later, DD stops crying and falls asleep. She was never really upset, just doing her, "Pick me up I'm tired of this" cry. I'm thinking, "If all I had to do this whole time was give her a minute to fall back asleep, I am going to be so mad!" So the next time she woke up, I lay in bed for a minute again...this time I could tell she was getting upset and was probably hungry, so I got up and nursed her. She woke up again a couple of hours later...I stayed in bed and within two minutes she was asleep again. I feel kind of bad for letting her cry, but maybe she just needs a minute to realize she can self-soothe (she used to do this but apparently forgot how). Is it okay to give her a minute or two and see if she'll fall back asleep on her own?
post #56 of 861
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OT...is it terrible of me to let DD cry for a minute in the middle of the night? Last night she woke up 5 times, and DH's back was realy bothering him so he didn't get up with her at all. The third time she woke up, DH said, "Why don't you just let her cry for a while?" (we have distinctly different ideas on the "benefits" of CIO). So...just to appease him for a minute and because I was really exhausted, I lay in bed, thinking, "This will never work, she'll just get more and more upset." Lo and behold, less than two minutes later, DD stops crying and falls asleep. She was never really upset, just doing her, "Pick me up I'm tired of this" cry. I'm thinking, "If all I had to do this whole time was give her a minute to fall back asleep, I am going to be so mad!" So the next time she woke up, I lay in bed for a minute again...this time I could tell she was getting upset and was probably hungry, so I got up and nursed her. She woke up again a couple of hours later...I stayed in bed and within two minutes she was asleep again. I feel kind of bad for letting her cry, but maybe she just needs a minute to realize she can self-soothe (she used to do this but apparently forgot how). Is it okay to give her a minute or two and see if she'll fall back asleep on her own?
i've started doing this when i remember. last night, ds nursed sometime around 1 or 2am - didn't look at the clock. then he latched on again around 3am and didn't unlatch until near 4am despite several attempts on my part. then cat #1 made a fuss (he pees where he shouldn't if we don't respond) - so off i went to see what was up with him. then cat #2 hopped on the bed and tromped on ds, tromped on me, started doing the kitty claw massage on parts of my head... musta been 5am by the time i got back to sleep. dh musta sawed down the whole of Hoosier National Forest during that time - never knew what happened. oh, and i think cat#1 has a leaky gut (or IBS) and his suspected food allergies (beef, pork, corn, wheat, fish, seafood) could probably be solved with the same battery of supplements (and perhaps a raw meat diet). dh draws the line with the expensive cat food - "no way are we sinking $$ into supplements for him"
post #57 of 861
Thoughts from my biologist friend on Cellfood:
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I read the cellfood website. I don't think the product will harm you or Kate but I don't think it's cracked up to be everything they say on the website, I'd put the money you'd save from that into the girls college fund. I think you could get the same effect by eating a balanced healthy diet with fruits, veggies, green tea, and omega 3 rich foods... Cellfood has trace minerals which are fine, I think you could get what you need from a good multivitamin. Also they say there are enzymes in the mix. That's okay except if you ingest Cellfood the enzymes will get denatured and lose function by your stomach acid. Like I said, it won't hurt you but why pay more for something that isn't all that. I 'm skeptical in regard to the splitting water claim (hydrolysis), that would release hydrogen gas and oxygen gas, you'd have farty cells or farty blood. Typically, kids can do a hydrolysis experiment in the classroom using electricity, I think I did that in Bud Boltes class.

I read some of their DNA/RNA supplements and I think that's total doo doo.
post #58 of 861
quick question. If one has malabsorption and/or poor fat digestion would that person have trouble gaining weight as everything is going through instead of into? Or is there some parallel process that would cause weight gain?
post #59 of 861
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Originally Posted by chlobo
quick question. If one has malabsorption and/or poor fat digestion would that person have trouble gaining weight as everything is going through instead of into? Or is there some parallel process that would cause weight gain?
intuitively, malabsorption would cause weight loss - as you say, everything races through and nothing is absorbed. unintentional weight gain, especially that associated with aging, seems to be a result of a slowing metabolism, though i imagine changes in hormone levels might also have something to do with weight gain (think about weight gain often associated with the pill).

ETA: not sure how reliable this information is, but this site http://altmedicine.about.com/cs/trea...WeightGain.htm lists the following as causes of weight gain: Hypothyroidism; Essential Fatty Acid Deficiency; Food Sensitivity; Cushing's Syndrome; Prescription Drugs; Kidney, Heart or Liver Disease; Emotional Eating; Blood Sugar Imbalance. or there's this one http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...21/ai_84599063 and this one http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/e...cle/003084.htm . these should get you started.
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Originally Posted by chlobo
quick question. If one has malabsorption and/or poor fat digestion would that person have trouble gaining weight as everything is going through instead of into?
yes, this is what I was like before SCD. I'm almost 5'7" & my weight fluctuated btw. 115 & 125. I had people )twice) even ask if I had an eating disorder (I didn't - - I just couldn't keep weight on. I tried everything - - even added those silly protein shakes.

For the first time in my adult life I've been maintaining weight - - it's each time I weigh it's never off by more than 3 lbs. Always right around 135.

I know people w/celiac disease who could not absorb for obvious reasons, but I never had d. & still I wasn't absorbing nutrients.
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